Show us ONE, just one UFO pic or ANY evidence that can be proven as evidence of visitation.

reply to post by subby


redlesham - no photo
phoenix lights - video of flares
ufos over dc - no photos.

reply to post by OldDragger


So, multiple reliable witnesses that all see and describe the same thing does not equate to proof?
People have been convicted for murder based on less evidence.
As you know, there are numerous photographs of UFOs that are unexplained, but then what's asked for is hard physical evidence, as being unexplained is not positive proof either.

reply to post by subby


So, multiple reliable witnesses that all see and describe the same thing does not equate to proof?
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No it does not!
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate. People have claimed to have seen all sorts of things!
Because" multiple reliable" eyewitnesses have seen Elvis since his supposed death, does that mean he's alive?
Same goes for ghosts, fairies, bigfoot, etc.

reply to post by OldDragger


Very funny. I mean multiple witnesses simultaneously, not one at a time. When have twenty people ever claimed to have seen Elvis?
I actually prefer your attitude to the people who are obvious fantasists though. It's good that you motivate me to question my ideas.

Originally posted by OldDragger

No it does not!
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate. People have claimed to have seen all sorts of things!
Because" multiple reliable" eyewitnesses have seen Elvis since his supposed death, does that mean he's alive?
Same goes for ghosts, fairies, bigfoot, etc.

Yet eye witness testimony can condemn someone to death in a court of law?

While multiple witnesses have claimed to see Elvis I'm not sure any of them can be called "reliable".

I know your type anyway. If you can shrug off a sighting with multiple witnesses on the ground, in the air, and on radar you're not really interested in the truth. What you are interested in is protecting your own fragile world view against all contradictory evidence. You have an emotional need to believe UFOs DON'T exist. In fact, a flying saucer could land in your back yard and little grey guys could drag you back inside it kicking and screaming and strap you to a table and shove an anal probe up you and you'd still be screaming, "THIS CAN'T BE REAL!! UFOS DON'T EXIST!!! OOWWW! OOWWW! OOWWW!"

There is no (publicly available) proof they exist and are extraterrestrial. What there IS is a lot of compelling evidence in the form of witness testimony, photographs, videos, landing trace, and radar tapes. To deny all of that flat out is irrational. To claim they are all alien spacecraft from Zeta Reticuli is equally irrational.

[I know your type anyway. If you can shrug off a sighting with multiple witnesses on the ground, in the air, and on radar you're not really interested in the truth. What you are interested in is protecting your own fragile world view against all contradictory evidence. You have an emotional need to believe UFOs DON'T exist. In fact, a flying saucer could land in your back yard and little grey guys could drag you back inside it kicking and screaming and strap you to a table and shove an anal probe up you and you'd still be screaming, "THIS CAN'T BE REAL!! UFOS DON'T EXIST!!! OOWWW! OOWWW! OOWWW!"
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Well, there ya go!
My type?
Never said "UFO's" don't exist, did I?
A "believer" rant. Yeah, I'm just not as open minded as you. Sure.
My fragile world? Any more cliche's you want to throw in?

I think it might be you that has an emotional need TO believe in aliens. Why does it anger you that I don't believe? You sound exactly like a religious fundamentalist.
Think about it.

Originally posted by OldDragger
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Well, there ya go!
My type?
Never said "UFO's" don't exist, did I?

To be totally honest I didn't read all 87 pages. Yet I'm reasonably sure if you admitted they exist at all you said, "UFOs exist but they all have a mundane explanation". If that's far off feel free to correct me.

A "believer" rant. Yeah, I'm just not as open minded as you. Sure.
My fragile world? Any more cliche's you want to throw in?

Nah, I think that about covers it.

I think it might be you that has an emotional need TO believe in aliens. Why does it anger you that I don't believe? You sound exactly like a religious fundamentalist.
Think about it.

How did you conclude I'm angry? I'm not. I'm also far from a religious fundamentalist.

I have thought about it, and I stick by what I said. There are dozens of highly credentialed mainstream scientists who have looked at the same evidence you claim to and concluded, "There might be something to this. It at least deserves further study".

My situation is unusual if not unique. I trained to be a scientist and have a BS in psychology. Yet in 1974 I, and 5 friends, watched a large metallic flying disc maneuver in front of us at close range for nearly ten minutes. This was not a light in the sky, it was big and close and silent and without visible means of support. It scared us it was so close. I don't know what it was but alien technology is high on my list of suspected explanations. I still don' see the military flying anything like it and if it was a secret craft some 35 years ago I would expect it to known today. I rule out hoax balloon because it had many lights and departed going against the wind.

The funny thing is most people who know me consider me a debunker. I'll also freely admit if someone I didn't know told me a story identical to my encounter I wouldn't believe them. 35 years later I still want to know what I saw. Obviously at this late date the chance of ever finding out for certain is dwindling but I'll keep looking.

The rabid debunker is just as illogical as the most credulous true believer, think about that.

There is more than enough proof.

I suspect the skeptics are stubbornly unwilling to face the fact that we are not alone.

Below are quotes and videos by some very credible people that are a part of our mainstream society. Scientists, CIA, Astronauts, Speaker of the House, Presidents.................now come on these aren't skid row bums or loony tunes in a nut house. The folks I have listed below are credible.

Most are way better educated and have a higher IQ than most of the people posting on here, including myself.

“It is time for the truth to be brought out in open Congressional hearings. Behind the scenes high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.” - Admiral Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA, February 27, 1960

“I feel that the Air Force has not been giving out all the available information on the Unidentified Flying Objects. You cannot disregard so many unimpeachable sources.” - John W. McCormack, Speaker of the House of Representatives, 1965

“In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone.” - Charles J. Camarda, (Ph.D.), NASA Astronaut

Of course it is possible that UFO’s really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the Government is hushing it up.” - Professor Stephen Hawking (One of the smartest people currently on this planet)

“I can assure you the flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth.” - President Harry Truman, April 4, 1950, White House Press Conference

The video below is of Stanton Friedman, a very credible, intelligent, rational and honest man.



Michael Kaku (video below) is a renowned scientist.







It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the Moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky.

If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and the scientists — President Jimmy Carter (Never happened because this is one mf of a conspiracy...........the biggest cover up conspiracy in the entire history of the human race).

I am completely convinced that [UFOs] have an out-of-world basis. — Dr. Walther Riedel, LIFE Magazine, 7 April 1952. Research director and chief designer at Germany's rocket center in Peenemunde. He also worked on classified projects for the U.S. after WWII.


If "they" come from another dimension or parallel world, we may not be able to see, touch, taste, smell or hear them...............We have only our three dimensional bodies with our six senses, (yes we have six).

The UFO/Alien phenomena are a complex issue because "They" are probably coming from various "places". We could be looking at living beings and or drones coming from another planet or galaxy from our universe or even a multiverses, dimensions, parallel worlds and or time lines. The possibilities are endless.

In closing: I will repeat my on the farm stargazing story in case you haven't read it before.

My brother in law worked for McDonald Douglas for over 35 years as an expeditor. He knew his planes, fascinated by them. He could tell you the make and model of any plane flying overhead back then.

In the mid/late 60's we were laying on a blanket, on our farm on top of a hill where our house was located. We star gazed a lot back then because we were out far enough that you could see millions of stars.

Now my brother in law was a no nonsense man, he did not believe in ghost, ESP, UFO's, little green men from mars, etc.................He always told me "believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see".

One late summer night while star gazing - we saw what we thought was just another star. It was just a tiny bit bigger than this period.

It zoomed within a matter of two or three seconds from one end of the sky to the other and back again. It went forwards and backwards, super fast without having to loop or turn around, it zigzagged here, there and then disappeared.

My brother in law sat up and said, "What the hell!" I said, "It's a satellite". He said, "Satellites don't more around like that". I said, "It might be a Russian one". He said, "Nobody on Earth has anything remotely capable of doing what we just saw".

He gathered us up quickly and ran us into the house. Now my brother in law was a tough cookie, never ever saw him scared of anything - except that night.

As soon as we were all in the house, he locked the doors and turned off the lights. My sister said, "Your nuts". He replied, "We're sitting targets, up on a hill in the middle of nowhere with lights on". My sister went into the bedroom and turned on her TV. My brother in law followed her in and made sure the curtains were drawn and told us to get to bed and not to turn on any lights for the rest of the night.

We were never allowed to go outside to stargaze again after that.

We also knew better than to discuss this event.

Forty something years later, I still remember how fast this thing went, clear from our left field of vision to our right within a matter of seconds and back again.

The proof is there.

Do your research.................

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Same old suff.
More opinion. Some of it out of context.
Read the thread please.
This is tiresome.

reply to post by OldDragger


A closed mind and proud heart gathers no knowledge...........OHD

reply to post by ofhumandescent


And new agey cliched responses shed no light on anything.
The fact that we were having this discussion after 60 years of stories, fuzzy photos and the like confirms there is NO proof. Only speculation and belief.

reply to post by OldDragger


G'day again OldDragger.....

Just out of interest.....

What do you make of this thing?

I've been looking at it & scratching my head for quite some time now.....

Revisiting The 1994 Nellis Air Force Base UFO Video

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by OldDragger


please explain this

www.liveleak.com...

wow. :\ this thread is full of everyone repeating themselves.

i'm a die-hard believer in aliens and alien crafts visiting, and i'm not altogether doubting abductions and personal encounters either. but it IS true that all we have are photos of crafts, hoaxes, cave drawings, and stories. anyone who has any actual evidence is too high up in power to possibly share it with us. and proof of alien life capable of visiting us would send the public into hysteria and panic, so why WOULD anyone tell/show us? anyone not of high power who knows these things probably got killed or paid off to stay silent.

uh, i started rambling. my point is, everyone's right. there might be aliens, and even if there are, there is no tangible proof, at least to the public. why is this an argument.

reply to post by OldDragger



isnt it always like that
the proof is to good so they say its fake
or the proof is so bad u cant see anything clearly
this is a no win situation
best proof comes from highly credible people
if wer the only ones in the universe
that means the universe is a sad sad place
if people can believe in god an have no proof
then why is it so hard to believe in alliens?

Originally posted by Crumbles
reply to post by OldDragger

 

please explain this
www.liveleak.com...

G'day Crumbles!

I note your request I start a thread about this video for you.

If you just make a few more replies, you will be able to do that yourself.....I can help you if you like.

I won't spoil things by telling you what I think it is!

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by OldDragger

The subject of my thread was WHY NO PROOF after decades of intense interest. That apparently escapes all of you.
You want to convine me, even when I told you STRAIGHT OFF, I wouldn't be........

Are you saying that whatever we posted, whatever the proof, you would not believe us? That you will not be convinced under any circumstances?

Then why should we bother trying?

reply to post by 2ndSEED


Could that be a reflection from the streetlight?
Off of the shiny surface of the UFO?

Their the same color..

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


As I said in the thread dedicated to it, I don't know what it is. I do have many questions about the film itself.
My first impression is manipulated footage of a helicopter, probably speeded up. Thats the only reason I can see for the erratic, jerky movement. I can't imagine any reason for any "craft" to move so abruptly.
Please note, dear readers, I never said I was a debunker! I never said I personally could explain every photo in the world.
What I said was THERE IS NO PROOF UFO'S ARE ALIEN SPACESHIPS!

Originally posted by christianpatrick

Originally posted by OldDragger

The subject of my thread was WHY NO PROOF after decades of intense interest. That apparently escapes all of you.
You want to convine me, even when I told you STRAIGHT OFF, I wouldn't be........

Are you saying that whatever we posted, whatever the proof, you would not believe us? That you will not be convinced under any circumstances?

Then why should we bother trying?

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Why is it important to any of you to convince ME of anything?
PLease provide the complete text of my post in context if you are going to quote me, that is if you really want my response.