Show us ONE, just one UFO pic or ANY evidence that can be proven as evidence of visitation.

completly unexplained, thats what you are left with. Again, that does not say ET, but the phenomenon is real.
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Gee, do you think that's my point maybe?
And that doesn't mean there isn't any natural explanation of these things either.
There is no proof of aliens visiting. Period.
Those that think they ARE visiting do so from Belief, not knowledge!

I still haven't found an explanation for the 'Drone' sightings and photographs in California, 2007.
Some people will jump in immediately and say that these sightings and photographs were a hoax, but I've not seen any evidence of this being a hoax. The people responsible for the original four sightings can't be traced, as far as I'm aware, but that doesn't prove it's a hoax.

The 2007 California 'Drone' cases

The 2007 California 'Drone' cases

The 2007 California 'Drone' cases

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Hate to be a killjoy for ya but the "drone" things are totally debunked right here on ATS!
Here's one

IsaacCaret Drone

Note the word "HOAX".

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Hi. I attempted to read that thread the other day, the trouble is that it descends in to chaos and mass derailment, so it's difficult to find answers. The closest I found were claims that every picture has been proven to contain a CGI craft superimposed on top of an actual photograph, but I haven't actually seen the reports from the supposed 'experts' that debunked the pictures.
From my present position i see more evidence to substantiate the photographs than I do the opposite.

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it descends in to chaos and mass derailment, so it's difficult to find answers.
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That's what ATS is all about!

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Wow. People who can't understand the "Drone Sighting" hoax are the same people that fell for the Haiti hoax and anything related to Billy, lol. The inability to completely understand how the idiotic "Drone Hoax" is a hoax demonstrates one's inability to use common sense, reason and logic. And that represents why this subject is looked down upon by the masses. I am sorry if your don't understand my point, and I am betting you will not understand how I arrived at my point if you honestly don't understand the basics of the "drone hoax".

I dream that sometime in the future....the ability to use the tools that nature has provided each and every one of us allows the cleaning up of this subject to the point where it is not a laughable as it is today (due to the shear amount of complete and willful ignorance that permeates this subject in the current (and past) times.)

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
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Wow. People who can't understand the "Drone Sighting" hoax are the same people that fell for the Haiti hoax and anything related to Billy, lol. The inability to completely understand how the idiotic "Drone Hoax" is a hoax demonstrates one's inability to use common sense, reason and logic. And that represents why this subject is looked down upon by the masses...... I am sorry if your don't understand my point, and I am betting you will not understand how I arrived at my point if you honestly don't understand the basics of the "drone hoax".

Good evening. If my not having seen any evidence to support the drones being a hoax means I, "don't understand the basics of the 'drone hoax' ", then you are correct. I would be very happy to digest any evidence you can supply to clear this up for me.

let's pretend the ufo mystery is a puzzle with only 2 pieces.

does reasonable doubt = debunked?

free will is in effect for awhile longer... so let's go back to the puzzle with 2 pieces to it...

is this a fair analogy?:

15 out of 16 times the puzzle pieces do not match or line up correctly.

but once every 16 times, those pieces do line up. but, perhaps the ufo phenomenon has more than two pieces to it's puzzle.

just some thoughts,
et

Okay, listen...evidence is MEANINGLESS when it comes to UFOs.
When you see one hovering above you, you'll realize that people believing you or not is really a non-issue...
You will only believe it when you see it...
...and even then, you may not believe your eyes....
I still have trouble believing what I have seen...

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C'mon man the drones are a POS. Accept it and move on. You get a lot of people on here who've stumbled upon "something" on the internet, think they've got the inside track on something new and register with ATS; when all that is happening is that they are late to the party.

Then they get defensive and want proof that they haven't got "the inside track" and so, many electrons die (along with many ATSers' brains) trying to convince the aforementioned latecomers that their scoop is nothing and was toasted aeons ago. There are so many posts on here by people wanting their world view validated or to be let down in a dignified way, that it gets really boring for everyone else.

ATS Rule #1: If 5 people on ATS say something is a POS in reply to a question, it is a POS.

Saves everyone grief.

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Well, I hope that the scenario that you describe is not supposed to relate to me at all, because I've been aware of the drones since 2008. I've also been visiting ATS for years without registering. There are certain UFO sightings that remain unexplained, and asking for evidence of a hoax isn't getting defensive any more than asking for proof of a sighting is. Surely that's being objective.

I think if read the drone threads you will find plenty to proove a hoax.
But if you WANT it to be true, well then.........

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I've read a lot of threads about the drones and haven't seen any proof that the original four sets of photographs are fakes. What I have seen is a lot of anecdotal evidence that suggests they're not genuine.

Originally posted by nomadros
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C'mon man the drones are a POS. Accept it and move on. You get a lot of people on here who've stumbled upon "something" on the internet, think they've got the inside track on something new and register with ATS; when all that is happening is that they are late to the party.

Then they get defensive and want proof that they haven't got "the inside track" and so, many electrons die (along with many ATSers' brains) trying to convince the aforementioned latecomers that their scoop is nothing and was toasted aeons ago. There are so many posts on here by people wanting their world view validated or to be let down in a dignified way, that it gets really boring for everyone else.

ATS Rule #1: If 5 people on ATS say something is a POS in reply to a question, it is a POS.

Saves everyone grief.

I haven't read the thread or anything, but saying that if five ATSers state something is a POS then everyone should just accept that it IS a POS has got to be the most asinine reasoning I've ever heard.

There are way more than five complete tools on ATS or disnformation jockies for that matter. I trust my own reasoning and an analysis of given evidence WAY more than any five random people who go on an ATS forum lol....


Jaden

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by jpvskyfreak
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/cff29d8dd687.jpg[/atsimg]

Taken from the cockpit of a cessna 172 German pilot doing private flying near Big Bear Mountain in the USA.

Jpvskyfreak.....

That looks a little "iPhone-ish" to me.....

Here is a selection of UFO's that can be inserted into users' photo's with this app:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5dee8a3c2f8c.jpg[/atsimg]

Here's my thread about that:

Would The iPhone UFO App Fool Members of ATS?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Damn Apple's in on it too!!! They acquired all the original ufo photo's and marketed it lol. Just poking some fun here!! Agree with the majority OP will accept nothing short of personal proof, that being said I have to somewhat agree. I believe in the possibility of ufo's but until I have a personal encounter my b.s. meter goes off more often then not.

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I never said personal proof, I said proof.
I don't need to see an alien to have proof they exist.
I HAVE seen "UFO'S, but I haven't seen any proof that what I saw was an alien spaceship, or anything to suggest it was.

somewhere circa 1200 A.D...

MAN: The earth is what, boy?
BOY: Round, like an orange.
MAN: WHAT?! Show me one -- just ONE -- piece of evidence to prove it.
BOY: I can't, sir.
MAN: Beat it then, ye little dunce! Go get an education... Ye ignorant urchin!

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Masterjaden.....

I haven't read the thread or anything

I think that generally speaking, the point of being on ATS is that you read threads.

Here's the thread:

HOAX Isaac CARET - Drones HOAX

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not