If demons/beings excist, and you can summon?

Dear all,

Been reading the board here and there, and one topic spots my intrest:
-Summoning

It seems like a term, left more for video-games and fantasy books.
But here at ATS, a whole group of people, are warning people not to mess around with summoning and that demons do truly excist.

So I respect this, still call me skeptical, dont believe in demons all the way.
Do believe, there is energy, and we can surround ourselfes with positive/negative, related to Karma/ and our mindset.

Only summoning, a creature, a demon or be it the harder to get, angel?

If these stories are real, why has not anyone attempted, to summon and video-tape or get a friend to make pictures etc. to show the world the truth?

Edit: If you say its only to be seen with the third eye, etc. What then proofs, this third eye, is not just a complicated mind trick, showing us a demon, and thus making our mind set messed up, resulting in demon negative experiences.

If demons are real, why are we not warned in the mass-media but only on these little communities, of paranormal.

And lastly, but most important, any personal stories, of experience, I love to read, truly it intrest me this world of paranormal.


[edit on 6-7-2010 by Impro]

Curious about summoning, eh? first, I shall answer your questions as best I can.

There are most likely many practitioners on this board who know more, but I shall try to help get this discussion started.

From what I have read, angels are somewhat easier to summon, but they can be sometimes be angered, just like any creature. With angels, it is more of an "asking" kind of summoning than like it is with demons and creatures, where you must bind, dominate and command them with authority.

I have seen a few videos supposedly showing footage of summonings, but I really do not know why there would be no verifiable pictures or videos of something that so many people believe in.

To answer your third query about the third eye, one can never be sure if they are truly "seeing" that which they believe they are. Most methods of summoning involve ritual, and one of the many points of a ritual can be to enter an altered state, through chanting, and movement; among other things. So, with the whole ritual thing in mind, summoning may be a dreamlike experience with little within it that can be verified, proven, or even compared to normal reality.

The mainstream media may not report on demons because many do not believe they exist, and there would be many people who would not trust their news stations very much if they reported on such a "paranormal" subject as demons.

I, personally, have not had any experiences with summoning. I have heard from friends, though, that one must be careful when calling the names of things, especially taking care to pronounce their names properly. Focusing your attention on anything can have positive, neutral, or negative affects. what is most important about summoning, though, is the intent behind it. Summoning a being to talk with may have much different consequences than summoning an ancient god or demon to harm someone.

There are a few books about summoning (amongst other esoteric books) at the link in my signature. These books are commonly referred to as "grimoires". There are many of them out there in the world, some of them are much older than others. Please be cautious when experimenting with any kind of summoning. Be prepared well in advance, and make sure that you will NOT be disturbed.

There is much more that can be said about this subject, but I am just beginning to study such things, so I shall leave the details to experts.

Don't know if this pertains anything to this, because my experience did not involve magic. When I was about 19, I was really fascinated with aliens and UFO's. It was at this time that I had moved out of my parents house and got my own apartment. I lived alone, and usually I would spend a lot of time and energy researching crop circles and aliens. I remember going to sleep with the last thing in my head was these paranormal topics.

And then it started. Walking to my car late at night after college, I saw a star. It followed me. I thought it to be odd. I got in my car, and as I drove, it started to sink. It would stop if I would stop. So I decided to follow it. This star literally would fall lower and lower to the earth if I approached it. If I would drive opposite, it would rise up back to the sky. It was so odd that I kept following it, eventually reaching a river where I could not go any further in my car. However this thing sank into a forested area. I had this feeling that it wanted me to chase after it in the woods. But I didn't. It scared me so much that I immediately went home.

then the dreams started to happen. I began seeing flashes of light, being paralyzed, being visited by weird specters , shapes, clouds of gas. Being levitated off my bed, feeling rushes of wind in my face where there was no explanation other than these things causing it. These weird dreams and strange lights would keep happening unless I would stop what I was doing. And finally, they did. I dont know what to make of it other than....Seek and ye shall find. the paranormal I believe wants an audience

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Go read the information posted within that thread and think about what you're asking us to help you do.

I provide a lot of information specifically on demons.

Great words all, now Ill try and answer back to most myself.

The idea, of no clear footage of summon or out out of this world, beings, seems a strange occurence to me.
All I can think of, if they realy come from a other dimension, perhaps they can only be seen by those who have an open mind.
Any more theories to this question, would be great.

Warrior, thanks for sharing your words, seems quite intresting, realy makes you wonder, where that light was trying to lead you, perhaps good perhaps it was evil.
Alot of these stories I see here on ats, of people being visited in dreams, sleep paralisement etc. Realy intresting, but I gues, one must experience it first-hand, before they will fully believe.

Luder, I did read your topic, its intresting, alot of things to be found indeed.

The subject to me has always been very interesting, skeptical, but interesting none the less. I have browsed threw many of the threads on this topic and have reframed from posting in them before because, truthfully, I didn't want a bunch of people telling me I'm dumb for being curious.


I do think attempting to summon one would be an entertaining expermint but it is NOT something I plan on doing anytime soon. Or would ever do without first without studying the subject immensely and second having being acquainted with a person who I trust and is experianced.


The reason I am so skeptical about it is because I have had very few encounters personaly with the paranormal and I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation for each of those occurrences. Also because there is IMO no real proof, there are loads of photographic anomaly's and horror story's by by the dozen.


I remeber on a previsious thread there was a story, a group summoned a demon but their circle was not on the floor but on the roof. The demon susposedly came out as a 1000 headed serpant and killed them via thousands of punture wounds. I think it apparently killed two of the three people involved, it was said there screams were heard for blocks.

Again if this were true would there not be very hard evidence of such a grusom death.


So that all being said if there is anyone who actually knows something and is willing to teach or show others how to prove to themselves that demons/beings excist PLEASE let me know. Or everyone preferably, we have all hear the old " I could show you how but I don't want to." or "it's not a good idea, believe me" so let's not start a thread of that please and thank you.

GummB


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[edit on 7-7-2010 by GummB]

To summon is a mindtrick why would you have to pick a demon when it has to chose you due to your electromagnetic outputs as well as positive entities???? I think summoning just degrades the soul allowing all types of energies to minipulate the summoning individual..

Good words, well Im not sure what to think of demons and that, but I do say, that I shall never mess around with summoning, unless prepared, and knowing what im doing.
Eather way, I think we should never mess with summoning, for id be pretty angry, if someone pulled me away of my peacefull sleep or what ever I was doing, just to check me out. *unless it was a incredible cute girl hehe.*

reply to post by Impro


I have been taught that a demon can be controlled if you know its name.

Its important to remember there are more then just manmade demons, otherworld creations exist. conscious entities that seek to preform their own agenda.

Humanity has intentionally or unintentionally created many demons in their existence, and have named many of them and control them as well. There is a book known as the Keys of Enoch which lists a variety of names of demons, off chance you actually name the demon correctly you may command it, its manmade afterall.

Otherworld entities and demons on the otherhand would never give a human their name, imagine giving your life away? It would have to be for a damn good reason, and I believe this is the ancient legend of wizards getting their power from demons, there is a gamble between both parties, wizards posession of the demon's power mixed with the demons possession of the wizard.

Why do you think Wizards and Dragons go together in the old stories?

I'll tell you right now though, borrowed power comes at a cost and you will eventually have to pay.

The sad tale is this, we as human beings have forgotten the treasure trove of our own gifts/powers/abilities and have since been allured to the promises of demons.

But many of us remember now and we can work towards our own self-empowerment.

Instead of summoning these creatures, let us work instead at liberating our brothers and sisters who are so entangled in the affairs of demons.


Blessings,


-G

Originally posted by sigil23
From what I have read, angels are somewhat easier to summon, but they can be sometimes be angered, just like any creature. With angels, it is more of an "asking" kind of summoning than like it is with demons and creatures, where you must bind, dominate and command them with authority.

if demons were real and someone actually summoned one trying to dominate and command it would be the dumbest thing you could do. disturbing a demon and then trying to command it to do what you tell it would be suicidal.

I'll add to those warning you to never attempt to summon such beings...even in jest. (and whether you believe in them or not...but especially if you believe in them).

You may not believe in demons, but that doesn't mean they don't believe in you. Of course, healthy skepticism can provide a good psychic shield against them, as these entities are alleged to feed off fear, etc.

I can think of a few cases as examples. I recently saw a tv re-enactiment of this one. A couple is buying a house in the country. They tour it, and it's almost too good to be true. The town was Markham, but can't remember what state off-hand. Anyhow, while touring, one room has a boarded up fireplace, a pentagram (not a pentacle) on it, signs of rituals in the room, etc. They chalk it up to kids messing around in an empty house.

They move in, and soon experience all kinds of ghostly activity. At one point, they even get a Ouija board. When they ask it when it was born, it replies "NEVER". With the help of some local experts, they identify a demon in the house, bolstered by enslaved spirits. They do a cleansing, and it holds for a while, but eventually comes back. They eventually ended up selling the house, taking the loss, just for their own sanity (and safety, as the mom saw the same entity just before a car crash that almost paralyzed her daughter). So, it seems whoever did those rituals, succeeded in summoning something that isn't supposed to be here.

reply to post by Impro


It's funny how a demon summoning post shows up every other day, sometimes more.

Demons as described in the bible do not exist, however malevolent entities beyond our understanding and comprehension do exist of course, we just simply don't know how it all works.

That's why advice to steer clear of anything related to them is given out.

It's good advice, as extra dimensional entities do exist and you don't want them doing their thing.

Very few people are capable of summoning demons. And it has very little to do with any sort of ritual. It's all about power. And not in the earthly sense.

More likely a demon is likely to target an individual and attack and torment said person. Or twist that person to it's purpose.

There are demons that predate religion. There are religous specific demons. There are human spirits that have wandered aimlessly and lost their humanity that they could be considered demonic.

It's far more likely to attract a demon that to summon one. I've only dealt with a couple people who I felt legitimately summoned a demonic presence, and I don't mean the 3rd eye nonsense. I mean pulled into the physical realm. And if you were capable of summoning a prereligion demon or a religion specific demon then you wouldn't be here asking if it's possible.

So yes it is. But not for you. If you were strong enough to perform such a task you'd have been a paranormal magnet and figured it out on your own.

The only reason God would give everyone on Earth
the genetic ability to detect evil is if there really was a
massive conspiracy of evil on earth. The fact that we seem
to perceive one, now that we have digitally collected our thoughts,
only reminds me that he didn't give us that ability, we took it with us.

This would mean that any real conspiracy of evil could only remain
outside of the biosphere or in some other dimension than this.
In the Atheist sense what I'm saying is that the pathos
of Religion can be measured by the ratio of output
weather it be about perdition or healing.

So what I'm saying is, why-dont-cha
summon something good.


David Grouchy

reply to post by davidgrouchy


No.

There is no such thing as evil.

Morality is a faulty human concept made to keep you under control.

Pacifying you, emasculating you, and keeping you soft and guilty.

Good and Evil rather, are much the same thing, actions are actions, energy is energy.

This does not mean you should have no morals, but rather morals that make sense to you.

You can create your own good and evil, personally.

Originally posted by DrJay1975I've only dealt with a couple people who I felt legitimately summoned a demonic presence, and I don't mean the 3rd eye nonsense. I mean pulled into the physical realm.

Is this something that you have talked about elsewhere, or that you are willing to go into further? While I have no interests or plans at all in relation to summoning anything, I would be really interested to read some of these accounts.

reply to post by EvillerBob


Yeah, I was party to a couple of church sanctioned exorcisms in Kenya, but that isn't what I'm referring to. Even though these were legit, I don't view them as a summoning.

17 years ago near williamsburg, va I was doing a paper on the occult. I had the opportunity to visit an attempted summoning. The man managed to pull something into the physical realm. It was a blur, but it was a non human entity which attacked him. He was running through the area being followed by this inhuman blur which moved at incredible speeds, whizzing by. Slashes were appearing in his robes. Flesh and blood flying. Clawmarks in multiple spots, 3 claws with each finger, talon, claw mark being about 2 inches wide varying in length.

The witch with me informed me this man had not paid his debts and was a fool to attempt the summoning. But the atmosphere the environment the temperature the air changes when this thing appeared. It was infinitely scarier than the exorcisms. And they were terrifying at the time.

I can only attest to my experiences.
I was born and raised a christian. I've never really had a choice about what i believed. I can't deny jesus angels or demons any more than I could my parents' existence.
However, there were darker parts of my life.
first, I began feeling... darkness around me... i can't describe it better really I'm sorry
i grew addicted to it, and before long there were whispers, eventually shadows, similar to what some describe as shadow people.
to my shame, I grew closer to them,
eventually, i could see from their perspective, knew what I ought not, saw what I SHOULD NOT. some of my friends were and still are wiccan, atheist, and christian. after confessing my relationship with several demons to my wiccan friend, it wasn't long before several had gathered and wanted some evidence. As i called, they came, and my friends were quickly convinced.
I was a summoner. the price i paid was a heavy one, and the damage to my very soul won't ever fully heal. I beg you not to try, but if your curiosity and temptation get the better of you, bare in mind this little wisdom. Mankind was granted dominion over this planet long ago. It is a god given right humans appear to have forgotten. thus, it is within your power (given by GOD) to repel them.