New Sign Of NIBIRU

Originally posted by Saint Exupery
Two quick questions about Nibiru's orbit, for those who know:

1.) What is its inclination to the ecliptic?

2.) What is its distance from the Sun at perihelion?

Thanx!

You didn't seriously expect an answer? Did you?

I have to say I am bemused at the level of argument here....

Harry.

reply to post by Antoniastar


My Nibiru is a sham? I have clearly stated that there is no Nibiru.

Your Nibiru is an unsubstantiated claim. You have provided no evidence at all. And in your post you posted no evidence. This appears to be tacit admission that you are making a poor long winded joke.

reply to post by Antoniastar

How do you know? You have no idea how many times my life has been on the brink of death in 48 years. Your counter claim is unfounded in fact.

You are creating a hoax. Thanks for the admission.

reply to post by Antoniastar

Actually, yes I did read the article, I read it a few times

So why did you make mistakes in understanding the article including information from the introduction?

reply to post by dragnet53


1. Eris is not in orbit of an unknown celestial object.
2. Eris does not enter the orbits of the known planets
3. Eris is really small - not a planet.

reply to post by Antoniastar


There is 1 force called gravity. You should read the historical account of Newton's realization that the same force acting on Earth kept the moon in orbit.

I've got my early warning system.

Is this the intuitive claim? I guess it failed on the understanding of gravity.

Um guys, wow. I think it's funny that's why I wrote "lol". Guess you didn't get that. C'mon if I think it's ridiculous to think that Nibiru is going drive by our planet, why would I think that Annunaki are going to "beam down from Nibiru"?

"Hypothesis" or not, I am amused by it. You guys need to lighten up a little. Geez who put rocks in your Captain Crunch this morning? lol

Toni

Originally posted by css1981

I DO think a Niburu exists. No I KNOW it exists. But it's not going to hurt us, well, not some of us, I should say. And it's not going to hurt planet Earth either. But there are other things that are hurting her. Those things are both unnatural and natural. There is usually more than one story.

Common sense.

Toni

Are you trying to say that one part of the world population is going to hurt and another part not ?

You are really convinced that niburu excist, don't you ? Are you maybe also in contact with the niburians then ?

Yes that is what I'm saying. Some will get hurt and some won't get hurt. When the Death Star (NOT NIBIRU) disturbs the Oort cloud and sends comets plummeting to Earth, there will be those who have early warning and will go to their underground shelters. And survive. Most of the people left on the surface of Earth will perish.

In my opinion, there is much confusion surrounding Nibiru. Like I said before, I think malevolent beings took advantage of the truth about Nibiru by twisting and adding and subtracting from the truth and made up their own story about Nibiru to suit their purpose of not only dominion of Earth but a take-over of our time matrix.

A good example of them - the Anunnaki, etc.- taking over Earth is found in "land grabs" all over the world. Here in America, it's obvious that our government are servants of this evil agenda. Here are some things to check out for yourself so that you can get a better idea of those who have invented the fabled Nibiru...

How Private Property Is Being Abolished In America
Land Use
H.R.3534
White House Land Grab

So there you go. The same pie-holes that have misled so many people for so very long are stealing the land right from beneath our feet.

NEWS FLASH - The Anunnaki are NOT coming. Why? Because they are already HERE and have been since the "beginning".

And yes, I am in close contact with the "Nibiruans".

Toni



[edit on 22-7-2010 by Antoniastar]

Originally posted by skajkingdom

Originally posted by Antoniastar
If I did live with say, a dog, and he got fatally shot by say, a mean Mexican,

A Mexican you say?
Why not a caucasian dude from Texas?

Just sayin'...

Hi skajkingdom,

The reason that I used the Mexican and the dog example is because of this story...

Illegal Immigrant Suspected in Murder of Arizona Rancher

Ever since I first heard about the shooting, it has stuck in my head. Don't know why exactly.

But just because it's left an impression, doesn't mean that I think a Mexican really did kill the rancher and his dog. I don't know that for sure.

Toni

Originally posted by rasalhague

Originally posted by Antoniastar
reply to post by rasalhague

 

~"And, no, the solar minimum cycle has nothing to do with the magnetic pull of the Sun by Planet X. It has to with gravitational force..."~

This was the funniest bit of it all actually. You do remember that it was you that said that the magnetic pull were affecting the sun, do you? Even so, in what way can you see the gravitational pull from a earth*4 sized planet manifest itself on the sun?

It would be REALLY nice if you could support at least one or two of your claims with some actual evidence. Or should I just take your word for it?

I did "support at least one or two of 'my' claims"! I provided an earthquake chart.

Toni

The sad thing here, which I think that you too are utterly aware of, is that you claim (again and again) that you know for a fact that this planet exists. Isn't it a little funny then that the only kind of "evidence" or support of your claims consists of a chart regarding a speculative increase of earthquakes? and as I said before, I would think twice before using Mandeville's research in any debate, if you want to look credible that is.

But then again, scratch the last part. Credibility doesn't even seem to be on your agenda.

I ask you this, one more time now (just for my own amusements sake); where is it? Why would you need some time to do your research when you already know that it exists?

Yes, I agree, it is "funny" (not funny as in humorous of course) that I am not in the position to provide you with evidence. There must be a good reason/s. Perhaps we're on a need-to-know level in the grand scheme of things. No doubt, though, that there are others, beside myself, that know without doubt, that a real Nibiru exists. I know I'm not the only one.

Credibility refers to the objective and subjective components of the believability of a source or message.

Traditionally, credibility has two key components: trustworthiness and expertise, which both have objective and subjective components. Trustworthiness is based more on subjective factors, but can include objective measurements such as established reliability. Expertise can be similarly subjectively perceived, but also includes relatively objective characteristics of the source or message (e.g., credentials, certification or information quality). Secondary components of credibility include source dynamism (charisma) and physical attractiveness.

en.wikipedia.org...

I don't know "where" Nibiru is, sorry. But I do know that it exists. Sure credibility is important to me, why wouldn't it be? Obviously my sources that evidence the existence of the real Nibiru and it's people will not prove to be of credible sources for you.

Personal encounters include out-of-body, dreams, instrumental writings, telepathy, predictions, synchronicity, sixth sense (intuition), "paranormal", time travel, etc., I'm guessing that those aren't the kinds of "evidence" you're looking for.

Like I said, if the "Nibirians" decide to let me know "where" they are and what they're doing minute-by-minute, I'll make sure to let you know. But, my advise to you is...

Don't hold your breath.

Toni




[edit on 23-7-2010 by Antoniastar]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Antoniastar

 

NASA is merely a puppet crew.

For your own sake, and for the sake of those in your personal life who care, I suggest you seek professional mental help.

Seriously.

Unless you're just having a lark at ATS' expense? In which case...nevermind.

Thank you for your concern.

Originally posted by rasalhague

Originally posted by Antoniastar
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Hi weedwhacker,

Antonia, dear....

Speculation, but absent some solid foundations of science. I'll cite just one example for you to ponder....

~Yes Planet X is mostly invisible to the naked eye because it doesn't reflect much light and it's surrounded by a dust cloud.~

So...am I correct in assuming you believe that DUST won't reflect light?

Of course dust will reflect light. How else would I be able to see it? How can we see a "second sun" that is shrouded in dust if the dust cloud isn't reflecting light? I think there's been a misunderstanding or possibly I didn't make myself clear.

Do you understand what a nebula is? Do you realize that we know of nebulae, even thousands of light years away, because we can see them??

Well I've seen lots of nebulas, like the crab nebula and the Cat's Eye nebula. Is a nebula a star nursery? They look like dust clouds with lots of different colors.

Please...re-evaluate and test your assumptions again. They need some tweaking....

Okay! Thank you very much for your advise.

Toni






[edit on 20-7-2010 by Antoniastar]

I don't suppose that you happen to have any of those "second sun" pictures/videos laying around somewhere, do you? The funny thing is, I know quite a few people around the web that have made it a daily task to observe the sun via proper filtering. so the followup question would be; why can't those that have proper solar filters see these second suns? Why is it only visible if you point a camera point blank at the sun?

Then again, come to think about it, this would be a golden opportunity for you to give us some proof of its existence. why not just go outside and take a picture of it? If you're lucky you might be able to sell that sensational discovery to the press and become famous in just the blink of an eye. So, is this something that you could do for us non-believers? Who knows, you might even convert one or two of us...

[edit on 20-7-2010 by rasalhague]

Nope, I'm all outta pictures of the "second sun". I don't have a camera, well besides the webcam eye on the top of my laptop monitor/screen.I sure as hell ain't gonna go outside holding my laptop up to the sun. LOL



[edit on 22-7-2010 by Antoniastar]

Originally posted by Saint Exupery
Two quick questions about Nibiru's orbit, for those who know:

1.) What is its inclination to the ecliptic?

2.) What is its distance from the Sun at perihelion?

Thanx!

Um but the real Nibiru is in between dimensions. I'm pretty sure that inclination and distance is different in their dimension, from our dimension.

Toni

[edit on 22-7-2010 by Antoniastar]

Originally posted by rasalhague

Originally posted by Antoniastar

Originally posted by rasalhague
Toni, I'm quite bored with this discussion to be honest. So, can't we make the process short? Give me ONE CREDIBLE SOURCE that talk about this planet, and the impending doom. Can you do that?

Hi again!

Um no I can't do that. I think because it's meant to be this way for now. I am not picking up on some of the details. And I'm not in charge dude. I don't call the shots. What your asking me to do is something that is beyond my scope. I don't have that kind of information. I cannot give you evidence.

At this point what I'm saying is speculation because I cannot provide any credible sources.

Each listener must make their own judgement call. If what I am saying is true, that Earth is going to get bombed by space rocks that will wipe out billions of people, you know it, you won't need to ask for "CREDIBLE SOURCES".

I didn't want to have to lay it out for you like that, but you keep persisting.

Look, if I intuit any other important info (which leads me to credible sources), I'll let you know. I'll keep you posted.

Toni







[edit on 21-7-2010 by Antoniastar]

Now you must be joking with me, right? Or do you actually believe that you are the only human that "they" would want to know what is going to happen? This isn't ituitive, this is narcissistic behaviour at its finest...

Isn't this about as convinient that it could possibly get? When you have been proven wrong on every possible point, then you just shove your head in the sand and play the old intuitive card. This is beyond silly, in fact this is the kind of argueing that you would expect from a five year old, but nevermind that=)

You are correct, and the whole world is wrong.

And what about your claim that you see the second sun, is that only in your head too? Otherwise it would be quite easy to just take a picture, but perhaps it isn't intuitive enough?

Listen, I'm not without empathy for your situation. I bet I would be asking the same questions, well I'd be asking questions anyway, and experiencing confusion as to where I'm comin' from.

Dude, convenience??????????????? WTF? Oh sure it's sooooo convenient being in my position. Can you just put yourself in my shoes for ONE moment please?!!

Never mind.

Originally posted by hundredreas0ns
i wont even worry about it. their is nothing you can do if some catastrophe does happen, so no point in even thinking about it.

And so herein lies your destiny.

reply to post by stereologist


I just find it funny though Eris location is kept secret from the public. No mainstream astronomy software has the location either. I mean not even Stellarium has the coordinates. If it is a part of our system then it should be included as well as sedna.

Originally posted by Antoniastar

NEWS FLASH - The Anunnaki are NOT coming. Why? Because they are already HERE and have been since the "beginning".

And yes, I am in close contact with the "Nibiruans".

Toni


[edit on 22-7-2010 by Antoniastar]

sweet just send some my way. I always wanted to meet one.
My location is Texas and they should know the rest.

Originally posted by plube
reply to post by Antoniastar

 

just to add to what your saying

Such civilization-threatening impacts happen hundreds of times more often than Extinction Level Events, perhaps once every few hundred thousand years...or one chance in a few hundred thousand that one will impact next year...or one chance in a few thousand during the next century -- during the lives of our grandchildren. Those chances are so small that they are difficult to comprehend. But it is more likely to happen than that the next poker hand you are dealt will be a Royal Flush. The chances are much greater than the chance that you will be the big winner in a state lottery, yet people buy lottery tickets all the time. Few people would board an airplane if they thought its chances of crashing were a chance in a few thousand. Indeed, the chance that your tombstone will read that you died from an asteroid impact holocaust is about the same as that of your tombstone saying that you died in an airliner crash. The Table shows some other comparative odds of death, to put the impact hazard into perspective. Should we do nothing in the face of the slight possibility that everything our forebears have created since the Renaissance might be undone?
Table. Chances of dying from selected causes (USA)
Cause of death Chances
Motor vehicle accident 1 in 100
Homicide 1 in 300
Fire 1 in 800
Firearms accident 1 in 2,500
Electrocution 1 in 5,000
Asteroid/comet impact 1 in 20,000
Passenger aircraft crash 1 in 20,000
Flood 1 in 30,000
Tornado 1 in 60,000
Venomous bite or sting 1 in 100,000
Fireworks accident 1 in 1 million
Food poisoning by botulism 1 in 3 million
Drinking water with EPA limit of tricholoethylene 1 in 10 million
(From C.R. Chapman & D. Morrison, 1994, Nature 367, 33-40.)


i also have a copy of the us crongessional hearings on NEO
and on the UK goverment meeting of NEO

Hi plube,

Geez thanks for posting the odds of impact by space debris!! Very interesting when one puts it into this perspective. Though I'm glad that I didn't know about the chances of dying in "an airliner crash" vs. dying by "asteroid impact holocaust" when staring a hole into the ocean every time I flew to England and back. Reminds me of the movie 'Castaway' with Tom Hanks.

"Asteroid/comet impact 1 in 20,000" - on the average under "normal" conditions correct? But what about isolation events or times like from a planetary orbit at a point where it perturbs billions of comets all at once? I suppose the statisticians have factored stuff like that in already.

If not, then the odds narrow.

Toni







[edit on 23-7-2010 by Antoniastar]

reply to post by plube

just to show goverments do take NEO seriously and spend time and money looking into it

Thank you for bringing this before my attention. Yes I see that governments are definitely taking NEOs seriously. Did you notice how vague and inconclusive the following statement is?

"for surveying substantially smaller objects than those now systematically observed by other telescopes"

That doesn't tell me anything other than the business of "surveying" NEOs is systematic. "Substantially smaller objects" and "than those [systematically] observed" and "by other telescopes" is like saying...

'focusing on substantially smaller clouds than those now systematically being observed by other cameras'.

What did I just say?

"Government response to the Report of the Task Force on Potentially Hazardous Near Earth Objects
24 February 2001"

Their timing is interesting as well.

Toni

Originally posted by toxicated5
unfortunatly in todays world if something aint on the telly of the news nobody will believe it. there is no way of warning the billions because they wont believe. if you told the same story and had the same proof 300 years ago, before all the rupert murdock tabloid controll, then people would have believed you.

Hi toxicated5,

Excellent point you make here.

Watch this vid if you can, there a great part about the telly and how it feeds us propaganda. Murdock is also in this vid....

Human Race Get Off Your Knees

And for convenience sake...

Who is Rober Murdock

People like Murdock and the MSM also feed us propaganda.

Both the tv and the tabloids are mind-control devices. I gave up watching tv a few years ago and I don't miss it. That doesn't mean that I won't watch a movie on my portable DVD player or an 'I Love Lucy' show or the Discovery Channel once in awhile on someone else's tv.

300 hundred years ago, people relied more on word-of-mouth because there was no tv or tabloids.

I think an important element as to why the Nibiru conspiracy was invented so long ago and in the time frame was because people had to repeat, by mouth, stories and traditions to each other over and over again.

The Majority was the Media. The fabled Nibiru is deeply embedded into our collective conscious.

Toni