The Broad Way verses The Narrow Way

Right, if you read you book and see all the contradictions, the evils, the admission of creating and doing evil, by and on behalf of the god in it (which are all human traits), does that not ring alarm bells? You know, alarms go off for a reason, hitting the snooze button might work for the short term but in the long term it completely screws you up, take it from someone who knows.

I really dont believe you can actually believe this without that tiny nagging doubt that its all a load of rubbish. Theres a reason your book forbids you from listening to it, dont you get it?

If the divine spirit dwells within, and you get these feelings within you telling you that religion is a load of rubbish, that can be very confusing yes, but its better to listen to something you can personally feel rather than what is written down in a 2000 year old book.

Did God himself, in person, in a way you can not possibly deny it is him, (after considering everything human beings can do to decieve), commission you with this ministry? Or let me put it another way, would you apply for a job advertised in a 2000 year old newspaper? Cos thats pretty much what you are doing.

Why would God condemn us all to death for the sins of two people? He didnt. Its all a part of the story in the bible, but its not real! Its used to manipulate people, to keep them feeling guilty for even being alive and get them to do their will in fear of eternal hellfire.

This is exactly what you are spreading. You hook them in with fear of hellfire and promise of paradise, then once they are in thats when you drop the hammer. You rob them of their lives because they spend more time doing what the bible commands of them rather than what their heart tells them. Some end up being ripped off, beaten, raped, killed, abused in all manners, as a direct result of their new life. All the while they are spreading further this corrupt message and the cycle repeats forever.

Preachers really need to be more aware of the actual consequences of their actions. And no, its not because people are "spiritually weak" or "possessed" or whatever excuse your book uses for them. It is beacuse they cannot handle the fear and abuse your following that book inflicts on them, or are simply intelligent.

reply to post by Cor Leonis

Cor Leonis,

So many people say Christians are escapists and have no desire to work to make the world a better place. They are wrong. We try to spread the teachings of Jesus. Those teachings ARE the solution to the problems of the world – peace, love, truth, mercy, justice, goodness, patience, forgiveness, responsibility, etc.. But what do we get? – Who do you think you are telling me how to run my life?

Good job getting it out there.
Peace
Mick

reply to post by Firefly_


I don't remember saying that it was necessary to be religous. I'm not talking about doctrines and commandments of man.

I'm not talking about going to a building to prove yourself to be a Christian.

I'm talking about the need for man to be saved because without the Lord Jesus Christ, mankind is in a fallen state. No thanks to Jehovah's Arch Enemy, the Devil who himself has always since his free will, decided that he wanted the position of God and Worship.

That is the problem!!!!! That will continue to be the problem. Deception from the enemy of God the Devil. He will get his judgement when the longsuffering of the Almighty has gotten His fill.

I am quite sure that God's wrath will be justified due to the fact that it is The Almighty that gets the blame for everything the Devil does. And, Satan, the Deceiver is snickering all the while, because he hates you and he hates me. But, he especially hates the second Adam who messed up his plans for humanity to stay in the state of separation from Almighty God.

Thank God, that God is all wise and all knowing, and thank God that He put his trust in His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ who always did his Fathers will, even dieing for our sorry selves!

reply to post by Cor Leonis


By the way I certainly don't follow no Catholic so called priest who are sexual freaks. Many who say they are Christians who are not has caused the world to be blind to truth when truth comes along.

Truth was walking down a dusty trail and they Crucified, the Messiah!

The true Christians are here in his stead pointing people to the Messiah. That is the commission for every true believer/Born-again child of God.

What is so threatening to all those impressionable people to be offered Eternal Life?

You don't like death and destruction? Then be saved by the salvation offered in Christ! The Christian has been saved from the wrath to come.

Do you know what wrath is? Death and destruction!

This whole thread is about the Broad way and the narrow way . Jesus Christ is the way of escape. He is the ONLY WAY OF ESCAPE.

OK! I can be called an escapist or whatever. It is because I not only know the way but I trust in The Way, Just like Noah trusted God which led to the saving of himself and his family.

My God people, why don't we just blame God for the breath in our lungs while we are so angry we can't live our lives the way WE want.

I suggest we stop believing that there is no truth and start seeking what is solid ground before your ship sinks!

I thank God for the couple on here who are standing for truth. I sure hope there are more than two though. I may need some more help keeping the vipers and the knashing of teeth at bay.

Thank you for your firm determination, Cor Leonis. Between this thread and SkyFloating's Darwin thread, it is becoming clear that some are only comfortable on ATS when they reinforce their negative feelings toward the Christian aspect of people on Earth.

The tolerant view realizes that there is room for all. Very few can prove that Christianity killed "billions" while it is unavoidable to know, in this age of information, that Nazis and Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and tribes that practiced human sacrifice have killed millions.

No one living today had anything to do with that. People are living today, however, who have experienced deadly riots, at sporting events and musical concerts as well, unfortunately.

Bigotry is the chief complaint against Christians, while lots of people talk a lot about "one love" and "coming together against hate."

This is a contradiction which also explains why this approach, vague and weak, fickle and unprincipled, never coalesces into anything more than people bashing Christians just because they are practicing their faith, no matter who they may be or what they may be like in the real world.

I don't see these folks asking Christians around them, "How do you, on ATS as you are, see some of the topics discussed here?"

Just hatred, unnatural resentment considering the lack of inquisition or open-mindedness.

Cor, it's also equally clear that you have the strength of your convictions, and that they are based on a long-term study of the Bible, something that is indicative of true commitment.

reply to post by Copperflower


You made me cry. Thank You!

You are ignoring my points.

Stop using fear to spread your message.

Stop proclaiming a judgment and sentence of annihilation upon on the world.

WAKE UP. What you are spreading is poison.

This is supposed to be a discussion board about conspiracies in religion. All you are doing is preaching. People who are lost and confused, and looking for answers can fall into your trap, and be completely misled by the blind. I know because I have been there. People like you are dangerous.

There is only so much you can witness, both written in the bible, and the way I saw others treated, and the way I was treated myself, by those who live their life by this book, before you begin to question it because something inside me is saying "this is not right".

I eventually found the answers I needed to and they were enough to convince me that god, the bible, and religion is all man-made in order to control people and use as an excuse to commit evil acts.

The history, and future, in your book is bloody and unfair. Waging wars on unsuspecting, innocent nations just to increase their reputation. All at the hand of god. Many innocent men, women and children have been slaughtered senslessly by your god, how can you justify supporting someone who does this, would you support hitler?

Some entity that is quite clearly using technology, is manipulating the people posing as a god. It is known that the ancient egyptians had technology, and if we have it now then how do we know it is a recent discovery that has not been purposely witheld from us? A lot of the crazy trippy symbology is describing technology the only way they can in relation to what they know like animals.

Cant you see you are being decieved?

reply to post by Cor Leonis


Is there a point to the discussions here?

I mean, my previous post is completely ignored. So this makes me wonder if the OP only replies to those who agree.

SATAN. Is not REAL Folks!! But your beliefs can create something like it.. although in the big picture it will not be REAL too.

Where does the concept of Satan come from?

Let's go into the Original Source material for the first book of the Torah and Bible.. the Sumerian Tablets. This is a recognised FACT that cannot be argued!

The "Bad One" is actually the One Who Loved Us.

It was he who created our physical body forms using DNA from Homo-Erectus and his own kind.

It was he who created the first Model Human, that was not capable of anything other than linear thought processes... and so then created the Adamma Model Human... Homo Sapien Sapien, Modern Man.. You and Me.

It was he who used DNA from the rib of an Adamma Model to begin forming the Female body... because the rib is the easiest place to get excellent DNA material from a living animal.

It was he who fought to uphold the right of human beings to live decent lives, to have families, to love and be cared for.

It was he who broke a Promise to the "Council of 12".. THE ELOHIM... THE GODS.

It was he who told his favoured human being, named Utnapishtim.. you know of as Noah, about the coming devastation from water and gave plans to build a Su-Le-Le.. that's an Underwater Boat to house the family until the Tsunami's water had subsided.

Because he broke his Promise to the Elohim Council his older half-brother was given the Rights of First Son in his place. This made the brother very happy as he had ALWAYS HATED HIS LITTLE BROTHER!

From that day forward.. for all time.. this one made sure his little brother would forever be remembered as The EVIL ONE.

He did this by taking the Symbol for the House of Life in Africa.. the "Caduceus" we know as a medical symbol today... and then used the half-symbol.. a Snake on a Stick to symbolise his little brother.

He fostered and insured the idea of his little brother as the evil one, and over the millenia that followed we believed it.. completely.

We see the snake on a stick (tree) in the Garden of Eden Fable as the Devil...SATAN. And we wonder why he told Adam and Eve the Truth about GOD.

If we understand the role reversal that took place we can more easily understand the huge manipulation that occured those many thousands of years ago, and then understand how much the story has been twisted from there to insure that humans NEVER, EVER see this young son of Anu as The One Who Loved Us.

His name was Enki. He was the youngest but also First Born Son to Anu's Wife the "Dragon Queen" while the older son named Enlil came from a tryst with a Concubine and so had no rights to inherit his father's "kingdom".

It is this older son Enlil who saw to it that the one who loved us dearly.. Enki.. was seen forever as the Evil One.

And all of you who believe the story, who believe the Garden of Eden Fable have been purposelyt misled by someone who lived many thousands of years ago.

So, maintain your beliefs as you see fit, but, if you are going to push them here then I suggest you go to the Original Source Material to get the facts before telling the rest of us we are going to hell for not Believing as you do.

Your God, the Biblical God of the Hebrew people is this local governer son of Anu, the one given dominion over the earth after 'the flood'. He has the exact same personality as the Hebrew God, and operates in the exact same way.. Hatred, Perversity, Bloodthirst, Egotism, etc.

So we can see 'God' is this angry little beasty named Enlil the Anunnaki.

Lastly, be well. Be strong, and please Learn.. Open Your Mind to the real Truths that have been witheld from Humanity for far too long.

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reply to post by Tayesin

"So we can see 'God' is this angry little beasty named Enlil the Anunnaki."

Has Enlil given you any moral standards that he expects you to follow?

Will he hold you accountable for how you live your life?

Originally posted by FearNoEvil
reply to post by Tayesin

 

"So we can see 'God' is this angry little beasty named Enlil the Anunnaki."

Has Enlil given you any moral standards that he expects you to follow?

Will he hold you accountable for how you live your life?

Hi,
Sorry but you misunderstand.

Enlil is the basis for the "physical" Hebrew God Concept, and thus for the Christian God Concept.

The Moral Standards were already passed down prior to Enlil's escapades for Power and Control.

No, Enlil will hold nothing to or for me, and neither will any other 'God' people choose to or are Indoctrinated into Believing is real.

Being a creation of this Aware and Energetic Universe of our's means that "It" cares no more about what I do than I care about a sub-atomic particle in one skin cell on my arm.

Hence only I will review my actions and judge myself accordingly as any other portion of 'God' will do when they awaken from this Dream we call Life in the World.

Be Well.

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
Here is what I see. And, I know others see it as well. Remember, I ask you be kind.

1. Israel was born a nation again in one day in 1948

ahhh, but you see, you are basing everything (as far as your timetable, that is) on a misnomer.

a nation named "Israel" was born in 1948, true.
although "born in one day", i find some problem with, considering the agenda had been in the works for several decades prior.
but that's neither here nor there, in the bigger scheme of things, because...

...my point is this:
a nation named Israel by men is not the same thing as GOD's nation Israel.

the name Israel means "who prevails with GOD"

what did GOD tell the children of Israel, through Moses, in regard to their neighbors?

Leviticus 19:
(13) Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
(14) Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
(15) Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
(16) Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
(17) Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
(18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Mark 12:
(29) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
(30) And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
(31) And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

does the nation called "Israel" love its neighbors as itself?

from all observations, NO!

Romans 2:
(28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
(29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

just because they chose to steal the name "Israel" to hide behind while committing acts of violence against their neighbors, does not mean they are the same that is the "Israel of GOD."

why isn't this obvious to so many christians who claim to know the bible and to know GOD's will?

don't be fooled!!!

as much as i may or may not agree or disagree with the OP, one thing i can say for sure is his temperment is much more palatable then "some other posters" who dabble in this same subject matter..

Kudos for keeping a clear head while trying to debate the great undebatable.


~meathead

reply to post by Tayesin


You state: "Is there a point to this discussion" yet the subject "The Broad way verses the Narrow Way" seems to be totally ignored.

You state: The "Bad One is the one that loves us" or something to that effect. Maybe that is why I ignore posts.

Some say that Christians (plural) as if it is some conspiracy, are preaching death and destruction, doom and gloom, get the unsuspecting hooked then drop the hammer and such.

Yet, when I Post this thread in the Conspiracies in Religion Topics section, I am accused of preaching (which to some is like the sky is falling and how dare you!) OH MY GOD HE'S PREEEEAAACHINNG! RUN!

Actually I have a better idea! And I don't believe it comes from any entity such as Enlil.

The Almighty has many names. He has even said He is "I AM" But, in the Word of Truth the name Enlil is not one of His names.

The human race did not begin with the mixing of DNA.

Adam was formed from the dust of the earth. You can argue with God if you want, I won't.

Well, my brilliant idea is, since in this Religion Topic catagory there are those that are getting bent out of shape over my preaching then I believe I will head over to the "PREDICTION" Topic catagory and teach about the doom and gloom, death and destruction stuff.

If any don't like to hear about stuff like that, you better stay away, it may get scary, especially if you think you might be on the Broad Way.

Do I sound sarcastic? Well, not to offend but when you have people telling you to stick it where the sun don't shine, what am I supposed to do, bend over?

The World is in a World of hurt right now and before I said anything about judgement, I spoke of Love and Salvation.

When a parent reproves their children for not doing what they are told, I think a loving parent would inform their children of the consequences if they rebelled.

That is what our loving Heavenly Father has done. He will not force His Will! And, because He loves us He tells us what the consequences will be if we rebell.

God must allow the effects of sin and rebellion to take it's course because God is a just God and cannot lie. When He said sin leads to death. When we sin, He cannot say, "just kidding" to keep us from suffering. We choose the suffering by the choices we make. And, when we sin the enemy of our soul is eager for the disobedient to suffer as quickly and with as much intensity as possible. Then, the accuser of the bretheren is quick to make the sufferer believe that it is God that must not love you to make you suffer so much. Satan, the Devil is the Father of lies!!!

Some ask the question, "What about the innocent?"

I ask the question, "Who is innocent?" Mankind is a fallen race of beings, no thanks to the Devil and the original ancestors. Is it a tragedy when a child is hurt or killed? YES! It is also a tragedy that there is an hiearchy of evil beings, starting with Lucifer, himself who rebelled and tempted mankind to follow him in his rebellion. We all know the story that the ancestors gave into temptation.

THE LAST ENEMY TO BE DESTROYED IS DEATH!

If God is not a God of love, He would not destroy death. But, in the end He will destroy death and there will be no more suffering. God is a just God and must allow Satan to have his way for the time being, especially with those who open the door for him. Sometimes it is a sneak attack and we don't see it coming. And, after the attack, because we are spiritually blind without the spirit of God, we blame God!

But, I'll stop preaching now. See you in the "Prediction" catagory. Doom and Gloom does not scare me. God has not given the Christian the spirit of fear.

But, some of ya'll are pretty scary!

Don't have many miles to go and not too many minutes to the end of this Age. I believe the "Prediction" catagory is what I hear calling.

The Narrow Way is a good road to be on and it is not winding!

The Narrow Way leads straight to The Father. Oops! There I go again!

reply to post by Mike Stivic


Thanks!

I am not saying I will not be back in this catagory since I know Meathead is around.

reply to post by Firefly_


But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "-Rom9.20

God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.-John3.16

how would you feel about your Son(who did no violence) being murdered?

reply to post by Tayesin


For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.-Acts17.31

God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.-Phil2

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.-Matt28.18

Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.-1John5.10

Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.-1John2.22

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
You state: "Is there a point to this discussion" yet the subject "The Broad way verses the Narrow Way" seems to be totally ignored.

You state: The "Bad One is the one that loves us" or something to that effect. Maybe that is why I ignore posts.

I'm sure I posted on topic at first.

Okay. I understand you are looking at that statement in the mindset of a Believer, and that is okay.

What I'm saying and said earlier is that the Source material for God comes from the Sumerian genesis tales..

*Disclaimer: my information not based on Sitchin's books.

.. the Hebrew first book of the Torah comes directly from this Source, and they had it with them coming out of Sumer prior to going into Egypt. The Torah's genesis story is the same one in the Bible.. well mostly.. it has undergone a lot of alterations over time... but the basics are still there; at times word for word.

I'm trying to enlighten you to the first cause for the God concept that is apparent in the Hebrew Tradition and the Christian Bible.

The source is as mentioned, so we should include it in such discussions even if it makes modern day Believers uncomfortable.

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
Some say that Christians (plural) as if it is some conspiracy, are preaching death and destruction, doom and gloom, get the unsuspecting hooked then drop the hammer and such.

Yet, when I Post this thread in the Conspiracies in Religion Topics section, I am accused of preaching (which to some is like the sky is falling and how dare you!) OH MY GOD HE'S PREEEEAAACHINNG! RUN!

I don't see it as so far lost as that. Many christians are beautiful people who strive to be the best they can, that we cannot argue.

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
The Almighty has many names. He has even said He is "I AM" But, in the Word of Truth the name Enlil is not one of His names.The human race did not begin with the mixing of DNA.

Adam was formed from the dust of the earth. You can argue with God if you want, I won't.

Yes people of all times have had different names for the One. Biblical study alone will not provide the information to see that not only was Enlil one of the God's names, but so was Enki, and their father Anu, and their sister Nin-Hursag.. also known as Isis and other additional names.

Friend, I don't have to argue with 'God' over anything. The Source of Genesis in every Bible is the same genesis of our solar system and human kind that is recorded in the Sumerian Tablets.

It is just that simple. There is no challenge to that. It is the Prime Source for what your Belief-System is based on, like it or not.

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
Do I sound sarcastic? Well, not to offend but when you have people telling you to stick it where the sun don't shine, what am I supposed to do, bend over?

The World is in a World of hurt right now and before I said anything about judgement, I spoke of Love and Salvation.

No, you sound a bit P'd off really. And that is okay too.

Yes, the world is in such a state and nothing we can do now will change the path we are on. The earth has longer cycles than us, so we are insignificant in the long run.

Originally posted by Cor Leonis
Don't have many miles to go and not too many minutes to the end of this Age. I believe the "Prediction" catagory is what I hear calling.

The Narrow Way is a good road to be on and it is not winding!

The Narrow Way leads straight to The Father. Oops! There I go again!

That narrow way is filled with trials and tribulations, the things that 'purify us' and so the image of a winding narrow path is admissable in discussion I would think.

Thank you for your discussion so far.

Originally posted by No King but Jesus
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.-Acts17.31

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Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.-1John2.22

I am glad you have a Belief that you are content with.

I also am glad that more people are asking themselves WHY do I believe what I believe? For many Indoctrination from birth is the answer, for some a choice was made, and yet others learn through experience outside the normalcy of our comfort zones.

I cannot discuss when all I am provided with is simply posting small bible quotes, as they are of a far younger source than the Sumerian Tablets I was refering to... and most were written well after the fact (@40 to 60 years after) of Jesus as we all know if we have done any study on the matter.

Hence there are ample years for stories to have grown up over the reality. We know things alter considerably, even when passing a sentence along a line of only 10 people you will find it has changed, and so over lengthy time frames we must anticipate major changes.

Add to this the way that Saul who became Paul wrestled the control of the fledgling "Church" from Jesus' brother James and from there on grew the myth of having died for our sins and the resurrection fable.

Sorry if that last sentence is found to be offensive, it is not intended as such.

All I'm saying is with the transfer of information over protracted periods of time, and the not so great translations with many recognised mistakes, we are left with a debatable history that many people are emotionally attached through having faith in it.

I don't come to destroy your religion and faith, but to expand on your understanding of it and why you believe what you believe.

I do believe in Jesus as an Enlightened Being on this world. I get from his message that we are all equal (in the eyes of 'god') and that what we seek is really within us all the time...

hence why "when we come to know ourselves we will become known. And we will realise that it is us who are the sons of the living father." - Nag Hammadi Library

Be Well.

reply to post by Tayesin


He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.-1Pet1.20

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men.-John1

Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.-Matt28.18

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.-1Cor15.45


I heard an AUDIBLE voice as if sitting beside me on the left one night as soon as I had begun to open the cover of a small green Gideon NT (that a chick from the Plains left on the bar a few days earlier) that said-my name, I am Jesus I died for your sins believe in Me and you will never perish-AWESTRUCK I stood to my feet (not being raised "churched" or knowing the scriptures) and said yes Lord and read this years later-

I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.-John5.25

also an angel I had seen when I was @13ish he was powerful looking, bright white glowing all over like lightning wings and all even the eyes- that I watched fly in and land on the roof across the street, walked to the edge then suddenly turned and looked directly at me, frightened I ducked down and when peeked back up he was flying back the direction he come from and this scripture described much the same appearance-

for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.-Matt28