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Originally posted by pieman
Originally posted by MikeNice81
2007, United States Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 18
2,251
That is less than 3 out of every 100,000 kids. I don't think that hardly equates to gun owner's hating children. Your logic is so flawed it is breath taking.
Not as flawed as your maths, according to you, the figures are per 100,000. That means it's 2251 per 100,000. Where are you getting 3 in 100,000?
If they did most people would understand that the majority of firearm murders are comitted during the comission of a crime with an illegaly obtained firearm.
Which is exactly why I said anyone caught in possession of a gun should be charged with intent to murder. Also, it would be a hell of a lot harder to obtain a weapon illegally if weapons weren't so readily available. The illegally obtained weapon argument is stupid and circular.
There are guns and ammo built specificly for use in competition target shooting.
Not really, they are marketed for use in competition but they are designed to kill.
Originally posted by pieman
Originally posted by vor78
I've made no mention of the scenario under which a firearm might be used defensively, so for the purposes of our particular discussion, its irrelevant.
I think it's an incredibly important factor, if a gun cannot be used defensively (and I don't believe it can be) there is no lawful reason to have a gun*. Anyone found in possession of a gun should be arrested for intent to commit murder.
*There might be some discussion about hunting here but let's not bother, you don't need to hunt for food so you don't need the efficiency of a gun, if you want to hunt, you can use a bow or a spear. It takes more skill but that's kind of the point.
Originally posted by BlastedCaddy
The argument by another member on why guns should be banned was compelling. It showed the statistics of child deaths in industrialized society. We topped out the Chart with a significant amount of deaths compared to what was shown. (Using stats of another's post. I did not do the research because it really doesn't pertain) My argument to why an all out gun ban is fantastical at best is as follows. I am educated but I am not a steel lathe worker. I know how to make various types of firearms with random stuff. I even know how to make crude black powder. I did not receive any formal training on what I know how to make, other then knowing the BASIC fundamentals and mechanics of firearms and minimal research on the internet. Now that I have that knowledge i will always have that knowledge. Now enter our gunless America. It is not like the entire country does not know what a gun is or how it works. So the concept of a firearm would have to be eradicated. I say this simply because if a person like myself was to have his guns taken away and it was imposible to secure other firearms, I would make my own. Now take the person who is educated in working with metals, presses, bores and lathes. Will he not make a gun or twenty. Maybe not every machine operator but you would have some. So I suggest better gun control which is also moot in this country. So as the old saying goes.... If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. If they make me an outlaw I will be fine.
Edited to trry to make it a little bit more troll proof
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