Gulf fisherman suicides // Did They Choose This Pre-Incarnation?

reply to post by MagicaRose


Your point is well taken. Perhaps the fact Haiti was hit by a "natural" disaster, though that should not make any difference. What anger's me is not all of the available safety feature's were utilized. That's a blatant invitation for disaster. Then again someone's say's "regulation" and someone scream's "socialism, NWO"! etc. For those who lost the ability to make a living, like commercial fishermen, designate an authority to distribute fund's and BP can do it's part by writing check's for the amount equal to one years income each. I agree with the maxim charity begin's at home. Also with the term KISS. These people need help now. With out prompt help, a lot are going to loose their home's and boats. If the fishermen are not helped quickly, the entire gulf coast will suffer a massive, cascade economic failure. Commercial fishing won't recover with out a massive cash infusion.

All of these circumstances are not predestined. We are here to learn and love. It is the decisions we make in life that are important and that determine our success or failure.

There are many people who are worse off than someone who has lost their livlihood. This is a test of strength, beliefs, love, resiliency, determination, and much more.

Haven't you seen people who have been handicapped by something in life and they have the mettle to triumph over it? This is what makes us shine--- when we face hardships and overcome it.

Why would you kill yourself when instead, you could see this as an opportunity to learn a new trade or skill and do something else with your life? Why do you have to be a fisherman till you die? Or a telephone operator? There are no gold watches for lifetime service in any industry now.

Have you not seen people who have become handicapped through misfortune, who instead of allowing it to defeat them and wallowing in self pity, have struggled to overcome their condition and find something useful and enjoyable to do with their lives? Have they not become an inspiration to others through this challenge?

Overcoming is something that comes from inside; it's part of the conquering spirit we are born with; it's our survival instinct.

Depression can get in the way of expressing this and we all need a lift sometimes. Sometimes we can forget our own troubles when we are busy doing for others. Granted these people who are at wits end do need help in finding a new direction.

I don't think it is a good thing to be dependent on the church pantry. First of all, it should not be empty, because the Vatican has more money than God. But we should all be helping each other directly instead of relying on institutions for a hand-out.

I really think a lot of misfortune has been purposely orchestrated with the intentions of steering people to be dependent on the state and the church. This is the diabolical plot that is in motion. Perhaps we are back to "bread and circuses" again. That's what it looks like when I see the church sponsored tent cities. I have seen people sit around playing cards and checkers waiting for the soup kitchen to open. It's not condusive to building ambition nor self esteem.

I always liked the Horatio Alger stories. We all have trials in life. These fishermen are not the first people to ever loose a job. Kill yourself over loosing a job? What a damn shame and cop out. Pick yourself up, dust off, and find something else to do. Make your own opportunities. Go help someone else that is worse off. Plant a vegetable garden; learn to do with less, and learn to do more for yourself instead of depending on someone else to give you a job or handouts.

Meet hardship as a challenge instead of accepting it as a defeat. Change is opportunity.

reply to post by MagicaRose


Your point is well taken. Perhaps the fact Haiti was hit by a "natural" disaster, though that should not make any difference. What anger's me is not all of the available safety feature's were utilized. That's a blatant invitation for disaster. Then again someone's say's "regulation" and someone scream's "socialism, NWO"! etc. For those who lost the ability to make a living, like commercial fishermen, designate an authority to distribute fund's and BP can do it's part by writing check's for the amount equal to one years income each. I agree with the maxim charity begin's at home. Also with the term KISS. These people need help now. With out prompt help, a lot are going to loose their home's and boats. If the fishermen are not helped quickly, the entire gulf coast will suffer a massive, cascade economic failure. Commercial fishing won't recover with out a massive cash infusion.



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Originally posted by arbiture
reply to post by MagicaRose

 

These people need help now. With out prompt help, a lot are going to loose their home's and boats. If the fishermen are not helped quickly, the entire gulf coast will suffer a massive, cascade economic failure. Commercial fishing won't recover with out a massive cash infusion.

another BINGO.
If it was you, you would want food baskets and help bc u r hungry. And infusions to keep livlihoood going (---->which leads to food & nurishment).
When it's someone else, other say starve for perseverance and lessons of tolerating torture and hell. Lessons of tolerating torture and hell are useful for [something?].

Soul does not feel physical pain. But we do.

reply to post by MyProblemWithEvil

Originally posted by MyProblemWithEvil

SO I POSE THIS QUESTION TO ALL THE "SOUL CONTRACT" PEOPLE OUT THERE...? THIS WAS IN THEIR SOUL CONTRACT RIGHT DOWN TO THE VERY SUICIDE ATTEMPT?? I WANT TO BE A FISHERMAN IN 2010 WHO GETS SCUMMED ON BY OIL INTERESTS (mistake? maybe? who knows yet?) THAT WE'RE CHAINED TO FOR DAILY LIVING IN THIS PRETTY LITTLE HELL?? Did they choose this?

See, this is why I don't believe in "soul contract". Who makes a soul contract that says I want to destroy lives and the environment by unleashing an oil disaster?

Originally posted by MyProblemWithEvil

SO I POSE THIS QUESTION TO ALL THE "SOUL CONTRACT" PEOPLE OUT THERE...? THIS WAS IN THEIR SOUL CONTRACT RIGHT DOWN TO THE VERY SUICIDE ATTEMPT?? I WANT TO BE A FISHERMAN IN 2010 WHO GETS SCUMMED ON BY OIL INTERESTS (mistake? maybe? who knows yet?) THAT WE'RE CHAINED TO FOR DAILY LIVING IN THIS PRETTY LITTLE HELL?? Did they choose this?

Perhaps some disaster was in their contract as a test to the strength of their souls. If they make it through, the soul is strengthened as it has grown and learned through experience.

If, OTOH, they choose suicide and are successful, their souls will not grow, but reincarnate to repeat the same kind of test again in their next life.

I'm just guessing.

Originally posted by darkelf
reply to post by MyProblemWithEvil

 

Originally posted by MyProblemWithEvil

See, this is why I don't believe in "soul contract". Who makes a soul contract that says I want to destroy lives and the environment by unleashing an oil disaster?

that was the point. thank you so much for making my day xoxo

Originally posted by Tha Girl They Call Roc

Originally posted by MyProblemWithEvil

Perhaps some disaster was in their contract as a test to the strength of their souls. If they make it through, the soul is strengthened as it has grown and learned through experience.

If, OTOH, they choose suicide and are successful, their souls will not grow, but reincarnate to repeat the same kind of test again in their next life.

I appreciate your opinion. I always wanted to believe the same thing when it comes to explaining (the cliche) word of "EVIL" but more specifically physical and mental torture, atrocities, physical and emotional hell (so bad that makes you want to harm yourself and others).

Theres no soul contract that could encompass, well I am gonna endure physical mutilation and if I can't make it through and I suicide, then I'm gonna experience it all over again possibly bestowing the same on others in the incarnation of my oversoul. We keep explaining away atrocities and torture to soul contracts then it just keeps going. UNTIL it comes around to you or me, then we say stop.

[edit on 20-6-2010 by MyProblemWithEvil]

[edit on 20-6-2010 by MyProblemWithEvil]

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Soul contract or not, there will always be duality in life; good and bad, right and wrong, yin and yang, day and night... You can't have one without the other.

Horrible things will always happen, as will great things always happen.

The fishermen need to unite and go and sit at the capital building and make a satement until the governor of the state secures unemployment benefits and conpensation checks from BP. Why aren't the churches, goodwill, salvation army, etc. in the lower USA helping these people?
Where are the countries who we have helped in the past 400 years when
we are having a huge catastrophy? We should no longer give aid to anyone who does not reciprocate in kind. Honestly.

Originally posted by frugal
We should no longer give aid to anyone who does not reciprocate in kind. Honestly.

wow, totally!! thanks for ur view YOU GET IT

Originally posted by MyProblemWithEvil
I need a food basket when I go 6+ days with just drinking water because I can't afford the $1.08 for a McDouble.

I read something like that a few months ago posted by some dude somewhere .. and I had to ask "How can you afford a computer and internet access and cable TV? And why aren't you mowing yards for a meal instead of play yak yak on the internet right now? Cancel your internet access and sell your computer for a meal!" He never did reply, so I can only assume he took my advice.

I really don't know what to think when someone kills themselves over loosing a job. The situation just doesn't seem to justify that kind of response/action. My first though is mental instability when that happens (like how some dudes shoot their spouse when faced with a divorce, etc.). I mean, it's just not a normal thing to think you should off yourself just because you can't find someone that wants to offer you a job. I mean, is it someone else's responsibility to create and offer another person a job, just so they won't feel compelled to off themselves? Same thing with people facing foreclosure. Is material stuff that important to some people? It's just a friggin house man. Someone would rather die than find someplace else to live, or some other kind of work to do? Really?

Of course, I've felt suicidal as a result of this gulf oil spill. When I look at those poor dead animals floating up on shore and raining down to the bottom of the gulf, I feel like shooting myself in the head ... guilt .. and I only use 1-2 gallons of gas per month. I can only imagine though what those that use that much gas in a day must be feeling like right now (well, those that give a REAL damn and have a conscience).

This gulf catastrophe is going to have an economic impact on a whole lot of people, but really folks, it's just gawdamn money, materialism, and not the end of the world (at least not yet). This is going to cause a lot of disruption for a lot of people .... their lives ... their businesses and jobs, etc. But remember folks, you're still living in the land of opportunity (for the time being). This ain't India or Ethiopia or Palestine or some other place where people seem to get by with a whole lot less opportunity and hope for their future. Count your lucky stars you ain't living in one of those crappy nations where you might as well off yourself because there is no hope. It's hard to have sympathy for some big strong husky healthy fisherman that lost his job when you consider and realize there are little children starving to death in hellhole nations where they have no hope what-so-ever in their future. I mean, who should my heart bleed for, Popeye, or Starvin' Marvin? Hum?

Originally posted by Divinorumus

Originally posted by MyProblemWithEvil
I need a food basket when I go 6+ days with just drinking water because I can't afford the $1.08 for a McDouble.

I read something like that a few months ago posted by some dude somewhere .. and I had to ask "How can you afford a computer and internet access and cable TV? And why aren't you mowing yards for a meal instead of play yak yak on the internet right now? Cancel your internet access and sell your computer for a meal!" He never did reply, so I can only assume he took my advice.

Yea I'm at a public computer. They have HARD AS HELL stale bagels here for the youth, but I'll take anything to make my stomach stop hurting.

Just like those now w/o food in the Gulf would. And I wish it was realistic to send someone a stale bagel. When I cant even have that, I know I would appreciate the thought.

My original post said they don't have food baskets or canned goods to people starving in Gulf already due to joblessness. It doesn't take a year to be without food, some people miss one paycheck and they miss out on food.

Cases of people in the LA coastal area hospitals saying they dont wanna live anymore because they're lives are already destroyed in such a short time. My heart aches. And it aches equal to those in even worst atrocities at the moment. Like torture slaves in other countries kept and tortured daily from infancy through adulthood for entertainment. This has been going on from the beginning of time. Still around now sadly. The things we don't speak of. The things most people don't know of.

Well my heart aches equally for those in hunger and in lifelong torture camps.

reply to post by Divinorumus


You have a point though it's a little off because even in third world countries they have a family and land to fall back on if bad times hit, in fact it's necessary to even survive. There is misery everywhere but one of the most miserable is to be not only truly be broke/homeless and on the streets but to have absolutely nothing to fall back on or go back to, no mater what country your in being homeless is the same, with a little different options, lots of people no mater who you are, anyone can be broken with the right circumstances. As for the fisherman sure they could do something else but realistically no not really, not only is this the wrong time to be without a job, recession and all but dropping something that you have done your whole life since a kid, and not only that but something that your dad and granddad did. Well I'm guessing it's not like switching from raisin brand to cheerios if you know what I mean, humans are not that versatile.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for all his life. But what will happen to the man that makes a living from fishing, when there are no fish to be fished, I don't think all of a sudden he will pick up computer programing or becoming a lawyer, and even if he would try to work at a fast food joint now a days even the jobs that don't pay much are full. But the same could be said of the computer programmer if all the computers in the world went "poof" one day, fishing ain't all that easy. I remember once meeting a dude with 2 missing fingers and I asked him were he got that from, he said "fishing in Alaska". So my philosophy is if everybody helped there family and friends then no one would have to rely on a indifferent third party ie government or soup kitchens. But like everything else easier said then done. I mean, don't get me wrong it's necessary, but no were near reliable or sustainable.