The Nazarenes (Gnostics) - The supposed true story

This below page claims to tell the hidden history and true story of the Nazarenes, and it also goes further to talk about the "true" teachings and story of Jesus before his gnostic teachings were erased. I believe there are a few flaws in what is written here, but it is still interesting and worth a read. It isn't really that long, only seven short pages.



one-faith-of-god.org...

Nineteen hundred and sixty five years ago the world’s richest man and a handful of supporters of his son single handedly undertook the most massive famine relief operation the world had ever seen. Because of their efforts and concern, they saved many hundreds of thousands of people across several countries from almost certain death from starvation and lack of water. Because of their efforts they were hailed as national heroes by the people they saved.

But because they cared, because they dared to challenge centuries of evil, the most evil families and individuals to walk this earth, the very founders of Christianity headed by their leader Paul of Tarsus had a number of them murdered including their leader James the Just.

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Still reading, but, HAVE to note that it refers to Jesus as half Jew, Half Irish! Joseph of Aramathea was a High King of Ireland?

LOVE it!

Cuhail

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The Gnostic teachings were not erased; they were preserved at Nag Hammadi, Egypt. You can buy them now in many languages. Look for the Nag Hammadi library in English...really good read.

So Paul killed Jesus's brother, James. Well sure seems like a fantastic tale already.

I'd say a good amount of Gnostic text was destroyed, oh how different Christianity would have been.

Originally posted by ghaleon12
So Paul killed Jesus's brother, James.

Well sure seems like a fantastic tale already.

I'd say a good amount of Gnostic text was destroyed, oh how different Christianity would have been.

Another book called the bible is a fantastic tale too..

Try calling it that at a church though and see how much hate is spewed at you.

I've never tried but it's funny how "unholy" these people of faith act, when you question their religion......



It's funny that most of these "stories" that are coming out now just seem to make more sense and fit into what HUMANS do.....

We would lie cheat and steal , especially in a position of power , if threatened...

That makes a lot more sense than all this divine stuff......which is still somewhat true...


so there is truth in all....but never the whole truth.

It automatically takes you to different sections to read after you read a certain amount of pages (The first section that I was talking about was seven pages), but the other stuff after it looks like it would be interesting and worth reading as well. I would like some in depth comments about what is wrong or what is right about this, and why.

Something to notice is that it mentioned "Goddess worship" that involved human sacrifice. This is interesting when cross-referenced with this thread here (Note: I do not endorse the ridiculous story built around the site posted here, bust some of the connections are still worth looking at)


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Originally posted by NamelessMonster
I would like some in depth comments about what is wrong or what is right about this, and why.

The short answer to your question is that they offer no documentation to support any of the story, not even "previously suppressed" documentation. They offer no evidence whatever that they're not just making it all up.

Without some kind of source, there is no difference betwen the story they're telling and a novel.

I have heard of this Gnostic before, but never heard that Jesus was half Irish.
I did have a weird dream about the Irish Clans, never heard about them being the oldest what ever either, anything seems almost possible.
The fact we are here would somewhat attest to that.

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I have actually never heard a Gnostic or anyone else mention that before. This site seems to be by a person interested in gnosticism that came up with his own conclusions. But hey, everything is worth looking in to.

Something else. From what I have read elsewhere he (Jesus) was not even named Jesus as elaborated upon in this and this thread.
Something else. From what I have read elsewhere he (Jesus) was not even named Jesus as elaborated upon in this and this thread. And then there is the Sacred Name Movement with the name "Yeshua". But all of this would tie him to old testament laws and practices, which sites like this are against



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originally posted by: RadicalGnostic
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The Gnostic teachings were not erased; they were preserved at Nag Hammadi, Egypt. You can buy them now in many languages. Look for the Nag Hammadi library in English...really good read.

I 've read some of them, not all of them.

There could be more that were erased, or still hidden. It is strange how the early church from persecuted became persecutor of all it perceived heresy.

Although I am not specialist in Gnostic literature, I wonder did they envision some other kind of morality as flowing from the teaching of Jesus, may be the secret teaching for the inner circles around James, that differed in time from the established asceticism and monastic traditions later in the Christianity? Were those practices, and not so much the texts themselves, the main reason why the Gnostic heretics were persecuted and quite many times killed?

I can't imagine every Gnostic (and other) discovered book to be a"later centuries' forgery" as modern mainstream theologians are fast to announce in MSM immediately after the release, if that new gospel speaks of Jesus having wife. As if they know the answer before hearing the new argument. It is quite arbitrary, to say the least. Personally, I still try to imagine what would be the religion if we knew for certain Jesus was married, and things like that. Perhaps we wouldn't have a number of extreme practices in the course of Churches' history, and we would have other ones, more sympathetic to the "sinful men and women" born with the "original sin". Especially when we know the Churches and their members were not exempt by those same temptations of the flesh, although they were absolved more than the common faithful. Apparent double standard that some still maintain. So what's so wrong with the idea Jesus had a wife? I don't whether He had or He hadn't, but if He had, that wouldn't shatter my faith in Him as the Son of God.

Or perhaps the idea of the original sin has to be reviewed in the first place. While I do not deny the evil has deep roots in humanity, still seems paradoxical to put that sin on every baby due to the fact it is born from human parents. There is something wrong in it, but I don't know what it is.

The Genesis book of Moses is written thousands years after, and after the Great Flood. Perhaps Moses didn't record or remember everything that could be recorded or remembered by other tribes. I think the main religions of 21st century who take those books as basis of belief system, owe a deeper explanation how it all came to happen. We couldn't be satisfied anymore with the same readings every Easter vigil of the snake in the garden and the flood as punishment. Sure there were more facts to add to that, and "Noah" may not be the best film but certainly makes sense to explore those topics further. Vatican clergy should not become angry at every attempt to recreate history of before-Flood, even if those attempts lack solid basis and instead interpolate their authors' views and best guesses. Instead of getting angry in the MSM, the Vatican clercks would do better to reveal their own sources inherited from Alexandria library and to tell the other side of the truth. What they know and we don't. Thank you.

I see the thread is old, but actually the texts we speak of are much older... That thread came up in the search engine and I liked it to put my comment.

One must realize that no story is true.
The bible and all scriptures try to point to what is true and real but because man is so full of concepts he misses the point.
Prior to any word or concept lies the truth.
What is here before any story is bought into?
What are all stories written on? Where do stories and words appear?

It is as if the words in a book seem more important than the page it is written on. Without the knowing space the words appear on/in what would there be?

What is knowing these words?

a reply to: NamelessMonster

Be patient with me, and I can prove you wrong.

The Gnostics were the Gentiles and were enemies of the apostles because the took the teachings of Christ and falsified them for their own worldly gain. This truth is not meant to be taught to you or others, because as you already did, it will be corrupted by ego and wicked evil.

Give the books of my preachings to our brethren, with the like mystery of initiation, that they may indoctrinate those who wish to take part in teaching; for if it be not so done, our word of truth will be rent into many opinions. And this I know, not as being a prophet, but as already seeing the beginning of this very evil.

Peter is saying that nobody can read his teachings unless they are an initiated Essene already initiated in the community.

For some from among the Gentiles have rejected my legal preaching, attaching themselves to certain lawless and trifling preaching of the man who is my enemy.2 And these things some have attempted while I am still alive, to transform my words by certain various interpretations, in order to the dissolution of the law; as though I also myself were of such a mind, but did not freely proclaim it, which God forbid! For such a thing were to act in opposition to the law of God which was spoken by Moses, and was borne witness to by our Lord in respect of its eternal continuance; for thus he spoke: "The heavens and the earth shall pass away, but one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law."3 And this He has said, that all things might come to pass. But these men, professing, I know not how, to know my mind, undertake to explain my words, which they have heard of me, more intelligently than I who spoke them, telling their catechumens that this is my meaning, which indeed I never thought of. But if, while I am still alive, they dare thus to misrepresent me, how much more will those who shall come after me dare to do so!

I am positive. You are not allowed to know the truth. Because since you are a rebel of God, you will use pride and ego to manipulate the truth in every which way you can. You do not have ears to hear. Don't feel special, almost every person in this wicked generation is undeserving of the true teachings. I can see it all clearly, finally. The world has been manipulated by falsehood for 1,000s of years. Humans are the most stubborn lifeforms on the planet earth. They corrupt every truth and turn it into injustice. So now you do not have access to the truth. And you wouldn't understand it if it was taught to you.

Just hopelessness. All I have in my emotion for this generation of falsehood, is hopelessness. Yet to leave this generation and spend years alone in the desert, to break away from this civilization and live alone on the bread of God, forever detached from the corrupt prideful manipulations of mankind, that I have hope for, to be able to do what you cannot bare to - give up all worldly lusts and possessions for the attaining of salvation.

I just love it when I find that those dirty rich men of falsehood stole away the truth from existence and thought that I would believe in their lies for all of my days, to find that the scriptures and books they burned away so that I will not have access to them, confirm all of the major specific details of the sacred Essenes. That Jesus and the apostles were Essenes with no doubt, that Paul was their enemy and corrupted the whole movement, that Gnostics were Gentiles who corrupted the faith also, that the NT is Greek and therefore Gentile and corrupt. I can finally pin point those liars and know exactly what they lied about, exactly why they lied, and exactly how they were able to be successful in their vain lies of corruption, and exactly why they continue to be successful in leading this generation astray 1,000s of years later. The devil is laughing to the utmost, he has been watching this world like a football game ever since Paul spoke his first lie and murdered his first Christian. In this world, there is no hope for the righteous. The hope for the righteous is not anywhere near this world, but outside of this world.

originally posted by: RadicalGnostic
The Gnostic teachings were not erased; they were preserved at Nag Hammadi, Egypt. You can buy them now in many languages. Look for the Nag Hammadi library in English...really good read.

The only reading I would trust there is the Gospel of Mary which stood out as quite unorthodox even in their time, even possibly against the Gnostics themselves but more accurately reflect reality as described by modern science.

Unfortunately, a huge chunk of the Gospel of Mary is missing.

The other texts still reflect some of the sentiments of their time also found in the Abrahamic religions.

Pope Francis has uneasy task. I understand him. However, he should do much more in these 2 years. Here it is a shortlist of tasks.
1. canonize all Gnostic books
2. release all secret texts that are important for the world, although they may significantly differ from the story in the Bible. Texts preserved from Alexandria and older.
3. release full secret of Fatima, regardless of who thinks what
4. Ask Medvedev to park one UFO permanently on St Peter's square, and acknowledge the angels are ETs.
5....

It is a shame we have to struggle for these things already 15 years into the 21st century, when they could be a done fact in 2000 after the fall of communism. Whom to blame now, the devil may be? We live under the last pope in the list of Malachi already 2 years. What more to wait for? To die so we can see God's truth that surpass every human mind? That will happen, as all generations before us died. But that won't change much on earth, as all generations before us didn't change it. It is a shame Jesus' teaching of kingdom of God was never implemented all those centuries, instead exchanged with bloodshed and burning in the name of God. That should be denounced publicly in the strongest terms by the pope and every next one, no matter the titles. Benedict called a crowd infront of St Peter to defend him from La Sapienza students who cried out against his unclear position on Galileo. What to wait to make the positions clear? The hell to freeze over, as the American saying goes in the UN during the Cuban crisis?

I understand the pope's primary role is to rule the church with its current heritage. But it doesn't work for a billion strong flock. Economic problems and unemployment unseen since the time of preHitler regimes. I honor the man Francis, but he has only limited strength and time. If he feels unfit to continue the enormous task, let he step aside and give someone else with fresher ideas to continue. There is what to be done for the world's oldest institution. Or to close it after the final fall of the final pope in the list. Let the choice be wise, inspired by God, an aided by cardinals. The next pope should not be elected secluded from among 120-130 people, and the rule itself doesn't envision that. Every baptized man could become pope. I don't have a candidate, but the procedure might be enlarged to include as electors all metropolitan bishops or even all bishops. What we saw 2 years ago was much of a farce - the Canadian cardinal Oulett "gave" his votes to the Argentinian cardinal Bergoglio who as a result became the pope. I don't think this is the way to elect pope in 21st century. The problems waiting tohe top spiritua commander of the world, need much more open approach including on his election in first place.

If the Catholic church in Rome is meant to survive the test of time. Or it won't accept the gospel recorded by the angels when they finally come. Because I bet they recorded every single word of Jesus Christ. The current doctrine that stil has banned books, will be incapable to accommodate that and will ruin worse than USSR. The same is valid for the Western system that behaves it will be endless in time. It already failed economically, and waits the big doom or the mersy of Putin.

As of me, I don't expect the mercy of politicians but the mercy of God thru his extraterrestrial angels. They, not Illuminati, will establish their new world order, months or years before the big doom.

If Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, and that already comes from dozen newly discovered books and cannot be denied anymore with "forgeries", then the world of religion faces a totally different situation. There should be at least one heir son of Jesus. I suppose he/they were taken up in clouds (ufos) and did not give the reign of the Merovingians known for immporality and bloodshed. In other words, we may have in clouds (or planets) a number of Jesus' children/grown up heirs who can have legitimate demands on what has happened with the Church established on Earth. We have to prepare for such eventuality based on texts that are hardly forgeries, that speak of Jesus being married.

Perhaps the truth of the Son of God surpasses even that marriage. Perhaps we were told not 1% but 0.1% of the truth of Jesus Christ. Wil the Churches (RCC in first place) be adequate and able to accept that truth when manifested by means out of any doubt? (televised life of 33 year life of Jesus directly from accompanying "cloud" or ufo, with all the words and acts that were cut off from the canonical gospels. 33 years are a long time, Jesus could have said everything.

Will the churches accept the wider truth they always knew it existed? Or will that contact be the end of the organized religion the way we know it? Perhaps the questions should be asked NOW in the Vatican, not post factum. Post factum the people will run to the ships to learn the unchanged unbiased truth. Too pity politicians and religious alike behave as nothing of the above is to happen very shortly, and continue the insanity of squeezing the common men to the ends of their human endurance, be it economically (most often) or spiritually. That obviously will come to an abrupt end. Is this the goal then?

I don't know. I put my belief in those from above who are to come. If someone believes me or part of what I said, he can contact me via PM. But here my personage has nothing to do with the problems themselves, as explained here and in other threads. I can die tomorrow, the problems remain. We need not only Gnostic books. We need ALL available knowledge from Ancient times to make it thru the most dangerous period with activated nuclear weapons. Instead of that, despite the 25 y cease of communist system, we got unemployment and absurdity in the world that behaves as before the next flood. Let it be known then, the next flood is promised to occur, only by fire. Is this what is sought by those in office, to trigger the fire and to end the current cycle of civilization? I believe they won't be allowed, not before the good ET explain to the people the real situation and give them a salvation way out. Long before Jesus' second coming, or shortly before it, I don't know.

If pope Francis resigns as his predecessor, he automatically gets out of the list f Malachi, making that prophecy either fulfiled or irrelevant.

If on contrary Francis remains in power 5-6 more years, until then the contact will be sure, but also one may expect the legitimate heirs of Jesus from the clouds to ask accountability of the churches.

In other words, the Vatican might be attacked by space force of ET, for reasons of historic guilt that has never been pardoned or asked to be excused. You know what I mean. Rome ruled the civilized part of the world for 15 centuries or so without accountability. It has too much to answer of. Including why it burned Giordano Bruno and thus stopped discovery of other worlds for centuries, while those inquisitors or their superiors knew very well that was the truth.

So now the choice before the powerful in Rome is like that: to save the catholic church for future generations, or to let it go together with all her sins in history, perhaps labeled as the great harot by her enemies (I am not one of them!)

Let it be clear: once the ET come and land, be it in Moscow, Paris or Rio de Janeiro, very few people will care what the pope says. They will want to know what they never had the chance to know, and that is the truth presented by the ET themselves, in understandable language, videos, etc. Mass Healings will only prove it is the good ET not the bad ones. The world will lose its status quo for good. Until the appointed time comes for the next era of planet earth, but I will not talk about that here. Here I talk of the fact the Vatican and other churches could make the difference right now by approving the Gnostic and others, may be more important books, right now, and thus to prepare maximum people for the inevitable contact. Will they serve humanity, as they say they do, even once in most recent history? John 23 clearly speaks of ET contacts with himself. If this is not enough proof, it means those people will never accept it no matter the evidence.