Do WE (small people) have the same rights as Corporate CEOs?

Just a thought….

Do you, the Average ATSer believe you enjoy the same rights that are afforded to Corporate CEOs?

Do I have the same rights as any corporation or ceo?

If I dumped 100,000,000+ gallons of crude oil anywhere would I be arrested?

If I dumped 100,000,000+ gallons of toxic waste anywhere would I get a ticket for littering?

If I dumped 100,000,000+ gallons of crude oil anywhere,… would I get invited to the white house for some personal time with the president?

www.boston.com...

Also yesterday, BP announced that it had begun using a second containment system to capture oil leaking from the well, which according to the latest scientific estimate is gushing between 35,000 and 60,000 barrels a day (1.47 million to 2.52 million gallons).

If I dumped more than 100,000,000 gallons of crude oil anywhere, would I get arrested, or invited to the White House to spend time with the president?

Do I, as an american, have the same rights our “leaders” give to corporations?

How many times do I have to vote for representation before that representation represents me as much as they do corporations and their lobbyists?

Do I have the same rights as corporate CEOs?

maybe i'm just ignorant of the laws (manditory expectations) i need to comply with, i mean hell, more than twelve years in public school systems and i still don't know the number of laws required to comply with in order to live up to "civilized" expectations...

senators and congressmen and house senate hearings ...
your system is capsizing. how many lifeboats are left?

Do you, the Average ATSer believe you enjoy the same rights afforded to Corporate CEOs?

thanks in for advance for your sharing your input,
ET

Do WE (small people) have the same rights as Corporate CEOs?

Personally speaking (as one of the small people of average height), nope!

As long as we small people are not part of the clubs of `fellow brothers`, we are not afforded the same rights as CEOs. That's like saying workers are CEOs of the company they are working for, simply put.

Corporations are chartered by governments in order to exist. BP holds a charter of incorporation in the State of Delaware, just as most international corporations do because of Delaware's lax laws regarding charters, but one thing should be clear, if a corporate charter has been granted in the U.S. then it is the people who have done the granting. Regardless of whether you live in the the State of Delaware or not, you can make a difference in the effort to have BP's corporate charter revoked. Check out this site, for one, for more information here. It is time to stop pouting and pretending powerlessness and take a stand.

Two words: SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT

(Of law and 'order' - according to 'pedigree' and 'financial status')

You are not rich.

You don't have powerful people as your facebook mates.

You have no influence in the NWO.

You are nothing to them.

Makes me think of all of the tax cheats and criminals in our government who get away with no punishment at all for their crimes. Also brings to mind all of the hollywood types who get away with crimes and get light to no punishment for the crimes they commit as well.

Let's see...

A) Yes

B) No

Hmmm, which to choose, which to choose...I'm SO CONFUSED. Which could it be?


Seriously, no offence to the OP or anyone else, but I cannot understand how anyone made it to ATS in the first place without being able to answer this question correctly.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
It is time to stop pouting and pretending powerlessness and take a stand.

i'm not trying to pout, no no, but according to the laws, without breaking them, where am i suppose to make that stand?

curious times, not permitted to know the laws/rules of the game, but manditorily expected to comply with them all?

maybe, just perhaps .....

some people aren't playing by the same rules because they have already come to the conclusion that compliance with the laws is not feasably possible??

but i could be wrong, and thanks for the thought on this subject. but, i don't know if i need to memorize every mandate to know that something illegal or against nature has occurred. but then again, maybe i am just mistaken.

thanks,
ET

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we are told in many ways that we all are created equal in the eyes of the Law...

but as the saying goes: some are more equal than others... You need to determine the who's & who's nots

Originally posted by silent thunder
Let's see...

A) Yes

B) No

Hmmm, which to choose, which to choose...I'm SO CONFUSED. Which could it be?

Seriously, no offence to the OP or anyone else, but I cannot understand how anyone made it to ATS in the first place without being able to answer this question correctly.

no offense taken, the majority of your posts make me think, and i do enjoy thinking.

but maybe it isn't always as simple as yes or no.


"Who makes the rules? Rulers make the rules"


maybe the answer is "yes" when it benefits them and their agenda$, and "no" when it hurts their agendas and their profits?

maybe they paid enough through lobbyists to make the rules this way?

but, maybe i'm wrong.

thanks,
ET

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Of course you don't have to memorize every mandate that comes down the pike, particularly if you know the law. Law is natural and self evident, that is why it should be clear from the outset that corporations are not natural and their existence is statutory. Here is another self evident fact of law, legislation is not law, but merely evidence of law. If legislation goes against law then it is not law, and simply illegal legislation. This is why the courts have power of judicial review.

My point in my last post was not to take people to task for pouting, all though plenty of that sure seems to want to get posted in this thread, my point was there is all ready an effort to have BP's charter revoked and you and everyone else can do their small part to add to that effort to ensure its success. Whether you do or not is up to you, and entirely your choice.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Do you, the Average ATSer believe you enjoy the same rights that are afforded to Corporate CEOs?

I like what you are getting at and I applaud you for bringing it forth for discussion.

Obviously a private citizen would be severely punished under the law in these scenarios. What many people are unaware of is that Corporations actually have constitutional rights because the legislature and president wrote it into the U.S code. They even have the right not to incriminate themselves.

U.S. Code Title 1, Chapter 1, Subsection 1
US CODE

In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise— the words “person” and “whoever” include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals

Amendment V to the United States Constitution:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

Amendment XIV to the United States Constitution: Section 1.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad

Don't shoot the messenger, just adding to the discussion.

[edit on 17-6-2010 by METACOMET]

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Do you, the Average ATSer believe you enjoy the same rights afforded to Corporate CEOs?

Well, don't know if I qualify for "average," but no, we "average" citizens do not enjoy the same rights as these Bankers, and what else can you call them? Oh, yeah, Lawyers! Career politicians are owned by some of these guys, and believe me they do meet and decide your fate, and make heavy plans without consulting you, friend. If you have spent any time at all on this site you will see that to be true. Our fearless leaders and the heads of corporations are above the law, the law as we know it. Even under Maritime Law they would be hanged from a yardarm.

I watched the head CEO of BP being grilled by the Senate today, and I saw the smirk on his face, and the easy way he sidestepped each in depth question put to him. He doesn't care about the States, or the people in the States, that was clear as a bell. Friend, Obama is not any better. He talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. I saw how Bobby Jindal is trying everything to save the State he was put in charge of....if we had just one president that fought for people like he does. I hope he runs for president, I would vote for him.

It isn't just the oil spill either. Our Southern Border is leaking Mexicans and who knows who and what else, to the tune of over 1000 a day, armed solders protecting drug mules, lines of them.
Yeah, I know, the National Guard got deployed there, but don't they all have office jobs? I have also heard talk of using drones to patrol the border, and that scares me.

Originally posted by Kaiju
Makes me think of all of the tax cheats and criminals in our government who get away with no punishment at all for their crimes. Also brings to mind all of the hollywood types who get away with crimes and get light to no punishment for the crimes they commit as well.

makes me feel ill and sick to participate in any measure whatsoever with any institutions that produce such actions and behaviors as we are currently witnessing by our "leaders". the future may or may not be here to speak for themselves, but what would the future think of us if they weren't subjugated (braindirtied) by our/their/whoevers endless expectations that translate into maditory laws?

perhaps a rhetorical question, but one i have pondered about.

thanks,
ET

It is my understanding a corporation is a legal fiction and has no mind.
It is my understanding all human beings are equal under law and are soveriegn by claim of right making them only answerable to god.
It is my understanding that a legal fiction cannot be created or controlled without a human being, therefore corporations are subservient to humans.

We have what rights we claim. Corporations must follow corporate statue law which restricts existing freedoms under common law.

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I had a buddy that got fined $10,000. USD for dumping about 5 gallons of unused concrete at the construction site he was working at.
Just because he dumped it in the dirt that would have been picked up later before the lawn was laid.
I imagine Bee Pee will get a fine also, however $10,000 is a lot more different to you and me than it is to a multi billion/trillion? Dollar company.
Plus 10K is a flash in the pan compared to what they will put out in cleanup.

You know what. Corporations have constitutional rights. Why doesn't mother earth. Any damage done to her should be treated as if it were done to an individual. It only makes sense. As of right now our survival is 100% dependent on her yet they treat her as if she owes them something. We should treat her with the same respect we (good people) show each other at a minimum.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

... Law is natural and self evident ...

i agree with your post whole heartedly, i do. i'm not trying to avoid partial liability for supply the demand that "allegedly" (not proven in a court of law, yet) leads to the cause.

i'm a little more concerned with the laws that have affects that are anti-natural, and those actions and behaviors we ourselves take part in that support such institutions that provide us with the current results.

but i do thank you on enlightening me as to some of the laws pertaining to this corporation and this specific leak.

thanks,
ET

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

Do you, the Average ATSer believe you enjoy the same rights afforded to Corporate CEOs?

Well, don't know if I qualify for "average,"

no offense meant, every ATSer is Uniquely themselves, and average could also mean unique. good save?

peace & star,
ET

In my opinion....

As far as civilization as a whole goes, NO. Absolutely not, they have provided far more for society than the average everyday person. By promoting jobs, stimulating the economy, providing consumer products... etc...

However, as far as human rights go. Yes, no human being has any more right to be alive than another. And in this instance, no CEO is greater than any one individual.