The Obama "Birther" Double Conspiracy?

I know the "Birther" stuff has been going on for a long time now. And generally I have not gotten too involved in it for obvious reasons.

So I decided to make this little thread today, to tell you guys/gals what my theory is about this issue.

I think it is a "double conspiracy". Here I will explain what I mean.

Ok the Pro-Obama crowd has basically accepted the electronic print out version as a legit official document, and to them it is case closed.

The other side of the story, has tons of reasons to describe why this document is bunk and not acceptable.

They keep saying "If they would just produce the document they seek, the whole issue would be over". TRUE.

But here is the real conspiracy.

They have access to the entire government and could EASILY FAKE THIS DOCUMENT. They could fabricate signatures and everything. They could even create a fake paper trail that looks totally legit by our standards.

BUT They did NOT FAKE IT, they are just letting the Birther issue spiral further and further into insanity, basically.

WHY???

They could fake it super easy , but their choice not to do so, seems to indicate what their true goals here are.

And I apologize for sounding like a broken record but this really does fit into the NWO conspiracy exceptionally well.

It is a Double Conspiracy because the first conspiracy we see is faked in order to mislead us,the whole thing seems to be part of a larger umbrella.

The real conspiracy is THIS : Why haven't they FAKED the document everyone wants?? This is where the real weird stuff starts coming in.

To me, it doesn't matter which side you are on, as both sides are diversions, essentially.

This whole things seems to be crafted for ONLY ONE REASON, to upset people greatly, and to "Divide and Conquer" by turning against each other over some super simple issues like this one.

What did Henry Kissinger say supposedly?
Oh yeah.

Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.

With the way things are going, this seems totally possible you know. It's crazy.

So what do you think about this possible 'double' conspiracy?

Do you agree or disagree that the fact FAKING this DOCUMENT Is easy, means that they are purposely allowing it to drag on and on and on??

They probably will keep the truth sealed until this issue has run it's course, and the damage has been done.

I am just betting this is all done on purpose to create conflict, confusion, anger, strife, etc etc.

Conspiracy 1 : Obama is not American
Conspiracy 2 : Evidence could be easily faked but they did not provide it purposely.

[edit on 14-6-2010 by muzzleflash]

Originally posted by muzzleflash
They have access to the entire government and could EASILY FAKE THIS DOCUMENT. They could fabricate signatures and everything. They could even create a fake paper trail that looks totally legit by our standards.

BUT They did NOT FAKE IT, they are just letting the Birther issue spiral further and further into insanity, basically.

WHY???

You're 100% right. They could fake anything they want. Why don't they? Because they're telling the truth. They're NOT faking. If they wanted to fake, they could fake a long form, but they're NOT faking.

You may be right that they're just letting this spin into insanity (and it is), but why should the president get involved in a crazy conspiracy theory? Why should he give the insanity any credence by paying attention to it? It's silliness, so why should he even care about it? He's got more important things to do. The Birthers are not important. Their numbers are small. If the government paid attention to every crazy CT that came along, they'd be too busy to do their jobs.

Can you see Obama having a press conference to announce that he ISN'T a secret Muslim, that he ISN'T gay, that he WAS born in the US, that he only has ONE SS number, that he LOVES the American flag, that he's NOT trying to take our guns, etc., etc. It's all fantasy. His attention to it would just feed the insanity.

Of course it is man, the conservative crowd are just tools in the Republican tool box. Every time they don't have a man in office they try any avenue to delegitimize their opponent and it would seem to work every time for those who want to believe. It has nothing to do with where anyone is born and everything to do with a few politicians using a chunk of the American people in a career move. Most of the true believers are too engrossed in their political bubble to see the bigger picture.

It's politics, not real life!

Truthfully I think Obama likes the birther issue. He knows he's a US citizen. It's been proven, but let the idiots argue. It distracted people from his voting record and his real politics. And it still distracts a good portion of the population from his marxist policies.

As long as the 'birthers' remain focused on the "original-long-form" BC issue, they are not free to explore other possibilities. They will be stuck on the issue, until they are convinced of its legitimacy. The longer it's drawn-out, the harder it will be to convince a large portion of the group; no matter the evidence provided.

Just about every approach that has been provided to extinguished the debate, has done quite the opposite: Led to more questions and speculation (like, Fukino's very carefully crafted statement that not only misspelled OB's first name, but also declared him "natural born" as she does not have the authority to make such a declaration. Surely, the administration(and Dr. Fukino) isn't THIS incompetent.

So, why doesn't the administration just provide the form that would everyone is demanding? Are they deliberately miss-speaking, miss-spelling, and miss-handling the BC issue? If so, why? Isn't a 'united' nation stronger than a 'divided' one? Why the division?

Perhaps the charade is to keep 'birthers' from moving on to the next set of questions. Like, for instance,

"Was OB ever officially adopted by Lolo?" and if so, "at what age was the adoption" and "in what jurisdiction - the U.S. or Indonesia"?

If so, this would/could explain so much of his background and the need to seal so many documents.

Like:
college transcripts
passport
international travel (ease of)
selective-service (non)registration at required age
SSNs
etc...

It's not that easy to fake a document like that. If it lists the exact time and date of birth, the hospital, the attending physician, nurses, then there would be tons of hospital logs on shots given, taking the baby's temperature, when checkout from the hospital was, etc.

The amount of fabrications would be far too great to try and keep straight. There was a post awhile back where many sites CHANGED the hospital of birth recently due to someone in Hawaii I believe contradicting everyone else.

They could easily just show us video of the flight 77 hitting the pentagon from all the cameras/tapes they had, too.

Here we are almost ten years later and the rifts between people with different ideas of what happened are still huge.

Oh good god, not another birther thread. I thought this idiocy had been put to bed.

*sigh*

You all do realize that it makes absolutly no difference where Obama was born right? He's still a natural born citizen because his mother was a US citizen. He could have been born in Russia and still been eligible for the presidency. Give THIS a read and maybe it'll spread a little light into the dark corners of your mind.

reply to post by muzzleflash

I think you are half-right, but I think the real reason Obama hasn't requested that his real birth certificate be released is because he actually WANTS the Birther conspiracy people to keep at it.

The Birther contingent isn't really that large and I don't think it's growing, much. However, the Birthers are enough of a contingent on the far-Right of the Republican party that even main-stream Republican politicians have to humor them or risk alienating a sizable portion of their base. Maybe Birthers are only 5% or at most 10% of the total population (for argument sake, I don't know what the actual numbers are), but that 5% or 10$ would probably translate to something like 15% to 20% of the Republican base (depending on how many Americans currently define themselves that way). Orly Taitz actually pulled something like 25% of California Republicans in her bid for the nomination as that party's Secretary of State, there, so you can there's something to it, probably.

As long as the Birthers keep being noisy and as long as otherwise mainstream Republican politicians who probably don't believe any of it are forced to at least publicly humor them and thus be "tainted" by them politically, it helps Obama (and other Democrats) with the much larger, more mainstream voters he's trying to reach. The Birther stuff is the kind of "raw meant" issue that's great in Republican Primary where all the activists come out to vote. But in a general election, when everyone else comes out, it is very damaging.

So, Obama is perfectly willing to just string this issue along as long as he possibly can because the more he does so, the more he makes mainstream Republicans look like fringe candidates and this helps him and other Democrats win in the Fall.

Reply to post by KILL_DOGG

Wrong. She was not a US citizen long enough.

Deny ignorance


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reply to post by muzzleflash


I've talked to my husband about this before. If Obama really wanted to stop the division of the people, he would release valid and legal documents proving that he was born in the US. It does not matter what side of the fence you are on, whether you believe he is a valid citizen or not, he could easily bring forth these documents to put to rest the dissension, debate and division.

Instead, it has been ignored by the Administration.

The way I see it:

a) he isn't a citizen and doesn't care about the division of the people

b) he is a citizen and doesn't care about the division of the people

Are there other reasons why the Administration hasn't put this to rest? I don't see them.

Originally posted by KILL_DOGG
Oh good god, not another birther thread. I thought this idiocy had been put to bed.

*sigh*

You all do realize that it makes absolutly no difference where Obama was born right? He's still a natural born citizen because his mother was a US citizen. He could have been born in Russia and still been eligible for the presidency. Give THIS a read and maybe it'll spread a little light into the dark corners of your mind.

That is just hilarious.

First you condemn the thread as "just another birther thread" when in reality it is not. It's a thread discussing why the issue even exists, looking at alternative theories.

The really funny part is, that you did not even read my opening post, you read the headline and made your post obviously, based purely on your ignorant comments condemning the thread.

Then you told me to read YOUR link. LOL!

Why would I read your link, when you refused to even read my opening post???

Hilarious to the Nth degree.