Should We Believe Bob Lazar?

reply to post by hornum


You ask: Should we believe Bob Lazar? Take in consideration just one definitive and
undeniable fact.

The world believed Bob Lazar and George Knapp when they revealed the existence of
Area 51 in 1989 on television. Their exposure was true and wrote history. Despite the
efforts of the goverment to deny the existence of the secret base at the end they gave
up. This is the real issue, who can deny this fact.

They didn't discover the base, aviation writers and amateur aviation buffs had been speculating about operations at Groom Lake for years before Bob Lazar's story came out.

Well there are certainly lots of posts about this guy but I didnt want to start a new one so I thought I would bring forward an older one because I watched a program on Bob last night on discovery and I dont know what to make of him.

Apologies if you are sick of him but Im fairly new around here and some others might be too. Also, whats Bob doing now, maybe a sticky?

Regarding his past, I dont think anyone erased it, I think he just lied to get a job, maybe self educated and certainly very bright if you want to get into the big jobs without any work experience you need to have the MIT name on your resume. Apparently he doesnt know who his teachers were and noone knows him, someone must have gone to college with Bob unless he was home educated.

Ive worked with Aircraft too, nothing was worked on in situ, engines, avionics, radar, hydraulics, all removed away from the aircraft to clean areas for work. I didnt see Bob ever referring to how the craft used fasteners to hold the propulsion systems on, he only talks about the exciting stuff, what about all the other little bits. I know he said the work was compartmentalised.

But then he said all the doors opened and there were 9 of the craft, one was oven on its side with what looked like a projectile hole through it (from Anti Air fire during WW2??) But come on, not one but 9 of them which must have been accumulated throughout the years, why only now was Bob in their and everything was still connected up, why were none dismantled, you cant do metal fatigue testing in a hangar, you take it away to a lab, but somehow everyone seems to be working on complete saucers in a hangar, doesnt sound right to me, engines need testing in an engine bay, avionics in a lab, fuel in a fuel cell, Xray machines would have been large in those days I would imagine, not wheeling them around 9 saucers in a hangar.

Then there was footage of a light moving (this was where he brought his friends) and it looked a little worse than the balloons, I didnt know if it was supposed to be real but it looked like someone moving a camera and a stationary light.

I dont know what to make of the story but at the end is mentioned Fast Walker so I am going to look at that one now.

i've changed my mind, I think he lied, though I believe he could have been something like a Janitor or lowly technician over at area 51 and then seen ufo's (or ballon testing) at certain regular periods from time to time. Which would account for him taking george and john lear to the planned sighting.

But other than that I doubt he knows anything about nuclear physics beyond wikipedia.

Janitor or lowly technician over at area 51

HAHA I love it. A janitor at area 51, it's almost like your janitor at high-school. Except it's in a top-secret government facility. I don't think the government would hire joe-schmo contractors and janitors for facilities such as these. This is why the Phil Schneider story is so ridiculous, as well as Bob Lazar. I think Bob is an extremely smart person, but he uses this knowledge to create semi-believeable pseudo-science...he's like a glorified nerd having a field day with people dumb enough to believe him haha.

Originally posted by LiberLegit
This is why the Phil Schneider story is so ridiculous, as well as Bob Lazar. I think Bob is an extremely smart person, but he uses this knowledge to create semi-believeable pseudo-science...he's like a glorified nerd having a field day with people dumb enough to believe him haha.

Okay so let me ask this...

A person... any person whether a Janitor, a cook or a top level scientist working at any such facility comes out to 'spill the beans'

What... in your opinion... would be an acceptable and believable story?

We all know places like Area 51 have top secret projects. Many at ATS believe there is something to do with Aliens or Saucers. So when someone comes out and says... "Yeah I was there and saw this..." what do people do? Well they ridicule them, they don't believe a word they say, and they make jokes about a persons character without ever having talked to them...

So in a sense we are our own worst enemy. There will NEVER be disclosure... EVER... because no one will ever believe what anyone says if it doesn't fit with what they THINK it should be. Short of dragging an Alien body out of a top secret facility... or hi-jacking a reverse engineered saucer and taking a CNN crew for a spin, NOTHING will ever be good enough evidence... NOTHING will ever be proof enough.

Funny thing is a janitor is an invisible person... and sees everything... and the cook... well any NAVY person can tell you that the ship cook knows EVERYTHING.

But as long as people have preconceived ideas about what the truth should be, they will never find any real truth... because they will dismiss and ridicule it all... to the point that no one knows what is real.

So yawl enjoy your bliss... and keep laughing it up

*Ladyinwaiting creeps into the room looking around cautiously. She sees Zorgon is here, so it might be safe. The she yells:

"I think Bob Lazar is adorable, and if anyone is telling the truth, it's him!."

*Then she quickly runs away before anybody has time to e-slap her*

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
"I think Bob Lazar is adorable, and if anyone is telling the truth, it's him!."

It's funny you say that... Bob gets that a lot... seems he is quite the lady killer

Here is a rare photo where he hasn't shaved... holding the saucer power unit replica

reply to post by zorgon


Doesn't it look a little like a nuclear reactor?

(He is a cuteness).

Originally posted by hornum
I am starting this thread because I don't know what to make of this guy.

Is this guy for real? Did he work in Nevada reverse engineering UFO's of extra terrestrial origin?

It seems fo all the evidence I can find there is info to the contrary.

He is an interesting guy and I can't help but be curious about his claims, ranging from UFO's to Hydrogen powered cars! is this guy the real deal or just a nutjob with an active imagination?

I must say his websites interesting!

Can someone please shed some light on this guy?

I know there are other posts on this site, I just wanted to open up a fresh thread.

www.youtube.com...

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Here is some additional light. In 1994 I bought the newly released TESTORS Area 51 S4 UFO (Bob Lazar UFO) . I bought it because it was a neat model but primarily because I wanted to contact TESTORS and inquire about their "collusion" with Lazar about his copy of a Eduard "Billy" Meier Pleiadian Beamship which was alleged to be the result of a hoax by Meier. I never got a reply but it always made me wonder what Lazar and TESTORS discussed and if the Meier Beamship was also discussed. Because, let's face it. Lazar could not have worked on such a ship when according to critics the photos and films produced by Meier were of a model Meier created. So could a hoax turn into a reality? Oh, yeah, the UFO(s) that Lazar worked on were "captured" Meier Beamships! Give me a break. So, you see a Lazar mystery is a Meier mystery is a Lazar mystery...

www.oldmodelkits.com...
1/48 576 Testors Area S4 UFO (Bob Lazar UFO)
Large 1/48 scale model of the craft reportedly worked on by physicist Bob Lazar in area S4, near Area 51.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/06a088a225c8.jpg[/atsimg]


indigosociety.com...
Wendelle Stevens Beamship Chart

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Originally posted by The Shrike

Originally posted by hornum
I am starting this thread because I don't know what to make of this guy.

Is this guy for real? Did he work in Nevada reverse engineering UFO's of extra terrestrial origin?

It seems fo all the evidence I can find there is info to the contrary.

He is an interesting guy and I can't help but be curious about his claims, ranging from UFO's to Hydrogen powered cars! is this guy the real deal or just a nutjob with an active imagination?

I must say his websites interesting!

Can someone please shed some light on this guy?

I know there are other posts on this site, I just wanted to open up a fresh thread.

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 13-6-2010 by hornum]

[edit on 13-6-2010 by hornum]

Here is some additional light. In 1994 I bought the newly released TESTORS Area 51 S4 UFO (Bob Lazar UFO) . I bought it because it was a neat model but primarily because I wanted to contact TESTORS and inquire about their "collusion" with Lazar about his copy of a Eduard "Billy" Meier Pleiadian Beamship which was alleged to be the result of a hoax by Meier. I never got a reply but it always made me wonder what Lazar and TESTORS discussed and if the Meier Beamship was also discussed. Because, let's face it. Lazar could not have worked on such a ship when according to critics the photos and films produced by Meier were of a model Meier created. So could a hoax turn into a reality? Oh, yeah, the UFO(s) that Lazar worked on were "captured" Meier Beamships! Give me a break. So, you see a Lazar mystery is a Meier mystery is a Lazar mystery...

www.oldmodelkits.com...
1/48 576 Testors Area S4 UFO (Bob Lazar UFO)
Large 1/48 scale model of the craft reportedly worked on by physicist Bob Lazar in area S4, near Area 51.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/06a088a225c8.jpg[/atsimg]


indigosociety.com...
Wendelle Stevens Beamship Chart

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0c6370ee59dd.gif[/atsimg]

how are UFOs supposed to look ?? have you actually seen one close up ?? if not then how would you know how they look ??

I don't know what to think about Lazar.

A few months before finishing school, I got a call from a man who indicated he wanted to speak to me about coming to work for the company as they had four sections that wanted me. THE Company.

When we met - and this is the only thing pertinent here - I asked about how in Hades I could just "disappear?"

I was told that everything but photos in school albums would be scrubbed.

Everything.

Now, if you can scrub all these tracks so thoroughly, it has to be just as easy to plant data if one desires.

The best lie is one that has some truth in it.

Unfortunately, that cuts both ways.

Originally posted by primetime2123
(snip)
how are UFOs supposed to look ?? have you actually seen one close up ?? if not then how would you know how they look ??

My answer might surprise you. I was in the backyard of a friend's house in Orange County, California, and I was admiring the distant mountains visible from the backyard. I was looking through 7-15X zoom binoculars. I saw a UFO above ground, gently moving up and down on invisible "waves". Surprisingly, it resembled a Pleiadian Beamship type but didn't have the "windows" you see in the illustrations above. It was solid, beautiful aluminum-like "skin". This was one of the few times when I trembled and my arms couldn't let me hold the binoculars steady. I walked about 20 feet to a low fence to rest my arms but couldn't find the UFO again. I immediately went inside the house, told my wife and friends. I have nothing to support my tale. After that my sightings were solid but I didn't have binoculars so they were the usual white orbs. My only night sighting was of star mimics. I had my binoculars but even with them I was seeing only lights.

I have a problem with all these UFO sightings, and am not inclined to attribute them to extraterrestrial origins.

Twice, on clear, cold nights, I've seen black-ish triangles cruising low and slow - right over head. No lights, no noise, and one was no more than a couple hundred feet over my head, maybe twenty-five or thirty feet in width, and the second was maybe 1000-1200 feet high, and larger - maybe thirty or forty feet in width.

The real oddity was the almost shimmering, almost "active" blending with the background night sky.

When there are no lights, and combined with this blending effect with the background night sky, unless one happens to almost cross where you're already looking - you'll likely miss it as we're usually pulled toward lights or noise.

And yes. I live very close to two US Air Force Bases.

And yes, I think we have some very, very sophisticated, non-jet flying platforms with active or semi-active camouflage.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Doesn't it look a little like a nuclear reactor?

A bit, yes... now if I could just borrow that piece of 115 for a few days...

Originally posted by The Shrike
Oh, yeah, the UFO(s) that Lazar worked on were "captured" Meier Beamships! Give me a break. So, you see a Lazar mystery is a Meier mystery is a Lazar mystery...

UNLESS... a tiny part of Billy's story is true and the rest was fabricated after by those wanting to either profit or discredit. Wasn't the Roswell crash also a three man crew?

Hmmm so either they are all in cahoots... or there is something hidden in plain sight

As to beam ships... here is one of ours near Jupiter


Magnetized Beamed Plasma Propulsion (MagBeam)

Looks like Cassini caught it firing up

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by The Shrike
Oh, yeah, the UFO(s) that Lazar worked on were "captured" Meier Beamships! Give me a break. So, you see a Lazar mystery is a Meier mystery is a Lazar mystery...

UNLESS... a tiny part of Billy's story is true and the rest was fabricated after by those wanting to either profit or discredit. Wasn't the Roswell crash also a three man crew?

Hmmm so either they are all in cahoots... or there is something hidden in plain sight
(snip)

Not to derail a Bob Lazar thread, but Meier is another enigma. There is no doubt that, presently, he can be explained away as a hoaxer because there is more than enough evidence to prove such as far as his photos. His films, however, are another story. I was "into" him starting in 1979 and bought those beautiful pictorial books and video and Wendelle Stevens' books and Kal Korff's book. Even when proven that his photos were hoaxed I still wanted someone, an investigator, to come forward with how Meier built those beautiful models. No one ever did until the "Wedding Cake" model.

His film shows a dematerialization and materialization that has not been explained successfuly anywhere nor the part in his film when he's walking down a path and he points to a spot in the sky where you can see a distant object gently moving. I'm 75% convinced he has done some hoaxing, but 25% unknown.

Knapp swears by Lazar, only because he talked to other Area 51 employees behind the cameras who confirmed Lazar's presence their.

Me believe Lazar? I do but the only question I have is why the hell he and his wife owned a brothel???

Originally posted by The Shrike I'm 75% convinced he has done some hoaxing, but 25% unknown.

John Lear is about 15-20% real, rest fabricated after the fact. I also see that with many current 'insiders' their original story has merit... then as they enjoy the notoriety, they seem to feel the need to add things as they go, which in the end only shoots down their credibility.

Bob told his story then left 'the field' as it were. Bill Uhouse had one story, but in interviews he added answers to questions based on what he thought they wanted to hear... His main story was highly detailed and never changing... the rest was filled with contradictions. So all that does is muddy the water and make a believable person turn into a 'crackpot'

They are all getting old fast... so now we add memory loss to the equation... and since the stories are picked up, regurgitated by endless websites, twisted around, stuff added to the mix... well soon these guys will all be dead and the only 'evidence' we will have left is the twisted versions that are most prominent on the web. And any smidgen of truth will be so buried it may never see the light of day.

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I dont think he owned the brothel, he wrote a piece of software for them to run their accounts better, its an odd sub plot but then Vegas is a pretty mad city!