Should We Believe Bob Lazar?

I remember about 30 years ago on a science show "tomorrow's world" on British TV which was sort of like a "daily planet" of the time, they drove a hydrogen powered BMW right into the studio. This would have been early 1980's.

They had to have a police escort because they were terrified that someone was going to get into a fender bender in central London and take out half the city.

I think they were just overreacting, but this technology is at LEAST 30 years old.

I'm not totally sure i trust Stanton Friedman in everything he says. I have my personal seasons for this, given his lack of, seeming, willingness to go track down a very important witness from the Roswell case. There are times when i suspect that Stanton is of the opinion that. if he didn't un earth it, or was not involved in its' unearthing it's not due serious consideration when it comes to Roswell.

I have a feeling Lazar is the sort of guy who just rubs the likes of Stanton up the wrong way. Stanton is very much your "bread and butter" scientist. Knowledgeable and erudite but , essentially, workmanlike. I do have the impression he is motivated by a little professional jealousy with regards to Lazar. Stanton's career was lengthy, but unspectacular. he has all the qualifications, but in the final analysis, never really added anything of note to the pantheon of science. Lazar on the other hand, is a maverick, who seems to be one of those characters who would happily blow up several labs in the pursuance of a theory. Of the two, I'd put my money on Lazar to solve the knotty problem that has irked science for decades long before Stanton has even straightened his pens and laid his desk out properly.

Without wishing to seem like an episode of *lie to me*, check Stanton's body language and facial moves as he's talking about Lazar. there is a quite obvious mixture of anger, dislike and pleasure going on.

Personally, i believe Lazar is a patsy, for what reason I do not know. I think he was used to plant deliberate disinformation, in order to hide something else. It might even be that they had something hanging over Lazar so he was, pretty much, forced to be the public face of the deception.


I don't think it is beyond the bounds of possibility that. Lazar was used, in part, to justify the huge amounts spent on black projects. Lazar is fed the details to give the public, the politicians then, suspect, that all these billions are going towards something truly worthwhile that keeps the dear ole US of A in the lead technology wise.

That way, those lobbying for more funds for "Black Projects", in general, can use the old. "Well it's a question of vital importance to the USA and has to be totally secret, but that Bob Lazar, wink wink, was not far from the truth".

Lazar is, at one and the same time, perfect for both camps. The anti establishment people love him cos he's a "bit of a lad". The skeptics hate him, cos he's a "bit of a lad".

In short, the perfect patsy to hang a disinformation campaign from.

I don't think Lazar worked long enough at s4 to really learn enough about what he has talked about... That is the weak link in his story... the feds and shills attacking him usually pick apart his technical views, but that is because his knowledge isn't perfect on those subjects.. This doesn't mean he is a hoaxer or a liar though...
Not long after he talked about element 115 there were scientists in Germany that discovered the element... But what they discovered was an unstable weak isotope of element 115... This immature data has been used against him to discredit his "stable element 115" story..

But since then with continued work on new super heavy element work, they have found that their isotope could have many more protons added and at some point the material would be stable..

I don't believe that he has all the correct data about what he learned and saw and that is his real weakness in the matter, not dishonesty or hoaxing.. that is because he didn't have enough time to learn more...

Star for you, FireMoon!

From what I know, I have to agree with you, that it's not that easy to condemn Lazar.

In recemt time, I got lot informations of investigative Journalist George Knapp (another one of the few really trusthworty guys in Ufology). He was the guy who brought Lazar's story out back in 1989.

He's been interviewed by Dave & Johnny in their ATS-Mix.Show and also by the guys of the Paracast. Worth a listen, those interviews are as remarkable as enlightening not just in the case of Bob Lazar.

Here the link to the Podcast of the ATS-Mix.Show (Dave Rabbitt and Johnny Anonymous made great shows; I wish they would do more):

www.abovetopsecret.com...

or the direct link: www.podtrac.com...



And here the link to the podcast of the Paracast-Show:

www.podtrac.com...

Originally posted by FireMoon
Without wishing to seem like an episode of *lie to me*, check Stanton's body language and facial moves as he's talking about Lazar. there is a quite obvious mixture of anger, dislike and pleasure going on.

Yes, you're right, there is. But if I were a respectable ufologist and physicist and if I had found a hoaxer in my field, I'd also surely show anger, dislike and pleasure while telling his story. Obviously, that does not mean Stanton is 100% right on this (which I personally think he is), but that also certainly does not mean he's just jealous.

Cheers,

SfB

[edit on 13-6-2010 by Segfault Bug]

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With all due respect Lazar has no history of his supposed qualifications, not because it was wiped, I feel that is such an easy excuse. Surely they didn't get every single graduation photo, certificate and message?

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Originally posted by Scope and a Beam
reply to post by FireMoon

 

With all due respect Lazar has no history of his supposed qualifications, not because it was wiped, that is BS. Surely they didn't get every single graduation photo, certificate and message.

Also, they would have to change tons of people's memories, including Lazar's own memory regarding his professors. If they do have this sort of power, wouldn't it be much easier to just change Lazar's memory regarding only his alleged work in area 51?

Cheers,

SfB

[edit on 13-6-2010 by Segfault Bug]

Everything Lazar centers on one thing, S4. It has never been proven to exist, ever.
"The Bob" stated numerous times they were taken to work at S4 by a greyhound type bus upon arriving at the base.
Have any of you ever seen a road or travelled tracks leading to this supposed S4? There isn't a lack of photos of the base these days, should be easy to spot if such a thing existed. A greyhound bus would make one heavy trail thru the desert.

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Pseudologia fantastica

Pseudologia fantastica, mythomania, or pathological lying is one of several terms applied by psychiatrists to the behavior of habitual or compulsive lying. It was first described in the medical literature in 1891 by Anton Delbrueck. Although it is a controversial topic, one definition of pathological lying is the following: "Pathological lying is falsification entirely disproportionate to any discernible end in view, may be extensive and very complicated, and may manifest over a period of years or even a lifetime."

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That's my view on the guy. So no, we shouldn't believe him.

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Originally posted by autowrench

Bill Cooper.

Now there's a hero. "Behold The Pale Horse" (the lecture, haven't read the book) is probably the most important piece of work in the field of UFOlogy.

Shortly after the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Rush Limbaugh read a White House memo on the air during his broadcast which named William Cooper, ". . . the most dangerous radio host in America". Mr. Cooper considered President Bill Clinton's pronouncement the greatest compliment that he had ever received.

You know you're on to something when the President himself comes forward to comment on your actions.

Thank you to everyone who is adding interesting information to this thread. For those that believe I should just look up other threads in relation To Bob Lazar I say this. I have been looking into Bob Lazar on this site and others. I do not see a problem with starting a new thread as I am interested in hearing potentialy new information regarding Bob lazar and maybe getting new users familiar with someone they may not be aware of.

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Originally posted by Scope and a Beam
reply to post by BLuDKLoT

 

Which videos are you referring to? And yes I think Lear is a liar also.

I have various UFO Documentaries and it is on one of them. Lazar and Lear are out at Area 51 filming legit UFOs, this is why Lear is such an avid supporter of Lazar.

This is also what supposedly led to Lazars firing. I'm sure it's on youtube somewhere however I could not find the right one to post, sorry.

reply to post by BLuDKLoT


I doubt this exists to be honest.

I've seen a clip of the video a while back, so it exists. I'll try to track it down.

In his most recent interview dated November 2009, Bob addresses Mr. Friedman "debunking" him, why he doesn't blame the skeptics that disbelieve him (stating that if the tables were turned, he'd have a hard time believing his own story, too), his missing records, etc. Basically all the issues people have with him in this thread is discussed.

www.youtube.com...

It's a long interview (over an hour), but if you haven't heard it yet I suggest so.

reply to post by Scope and a Beam


Yep, I trust Stanton Friedman as well. Even though a lot of folks think that the MJ-12 documents are fake. That isnt something that Friedman conjured up himself though, he only did the research on them and the research pointed toward the truth.

Originally posted by October
Stanton Friedman, the only man I can trust.

When it comes to UFOs, I'm not sure I would completely trust a guy who has worked for many major corporations and the US government...

reply to post by FOXMULDER147


Stanton Friedman seems like a straight shooter on the subject. His ideas and theories etc are never radical and he uses science and research before he comes to any conclusions. Hes also not a conspiracy theorist, he has said as much. So he is one of those guys in the Ufology field that uses logic over knee-jerk reactions that so many Ufologist do.

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I don't disagree, I'm just a little wary of trusting him completely as he worked for the government and he has books to sell. Conflict of interest.

I'm not sure about Lazar either, but Friedman's best attack on him seems to be the lack of evidence for Lazar's education. Fair enough. But if UFOs really do exist and the US government has been able to cover it up successfully for 60+ years, then surely they are capable of wiping someone's education history?

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There's no-one you can really trust 100% but I feel he's more genuine than some.

Originally posted by Scope and a Beam
reply to post by FOXMULDER147

 

There's no-one you can really trust 100% but I feel he's more genuine than some.

^^ This pretty much.

There are guys in the UFO/ET field that you know are crackpots and cannot trust and then there are guys that seem and feel a lot more genuine than the others do as mentioned above by Scope and a Beam. I feel like Stanton Friedman sits near the top of guys that are genuine.