Demons 101

reply to post by thegoodearth


Thank you so much for sharing with us what you've been through. Yours sure has been quite a rough ride, and to see how your faith has pulled you through it all is so encouraging and reassuring.

I once heard that God is like the wind. Even if you don't see it, you feel it and know it is there. Sometimes I feel it, sometimes I don't. I pray anyway.

Good luck with it all. God bless you.

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Love like light can only been seen in contrast to the dark. You will see a Demon if you want to. No doubt, you already have. If you do, dont forget about its opposite polarity.

Both are subjective, so it leaves you and you alone to decide what expression you wish to manifest as true.

Love and light

I understand that the OP is not coming from a Christian perspective of these things, and many people here aren't either. Actually I've been reading threads on this site for awhile now, and this post in particular made me sign up for an account so I could make a reply. I respect everyone's viewpoints, as I have noticed the OP does as well, so while we may not agree on everything he posted, I would like to add my two cents here about the subject of demons.

One, my family has a history of having demonic activity, I don't know how far it dates back, as I don't know anyone beyond my granddad (paternal) but I do know that while living in the mansion he owned in Cherry Creek, when my dad was a child he was deeply involved with the occult, and many many things transpired in the family and in that home over the years. He was a 32 degree Freemason, and a practicing sorcerer. So sometimes I wonder if he was not the cause of all of the family problems with the demonic, or wonder if it goes back even further.

My own personal experiences with the demonic started with I was age four, well at least that I can recall, I probably didn't notice before then. And the sort of things I went through could not be chalked up to a vivid imagination, or mental problems. This I assured myself for my own sake on a number of occasions, when multiple people would experience and see the things I was seeing. In fact it seems the same strange entities and experiences that I and my brothers experienced, our cousins in different houses and different cities all experienced as well. I just realized this has a 4k character limit, so I'll probably be adding another post after this.

One example of a demonic encounter I know was real I'll relate. My mom was sleeping in the living room, my room was adjacent to it and my bedroom door opened up into it. I had requested her to sleep on the sofa so she could see what was happening to me. And sure enough as soon as I was drifting off to sleep, around 12:30am, I was awoken by the sound of a large explosion in my ears. I opened my eyes and saw a face in the threshold of the room. The face was as big as the threshold, probably 8 feet long or so, and it wasn't a human face, it had a human outline of a face, but that's it. I called out to my mom who verified what I had saw, she was looking at it too. These demons would wake me up when I would try to sleep, whisper in my ears, say nasty things so dirty you could not believe. They would hit me under my blanket, tap on the walls, tickle me, give me nightmares. Paralyze me when I woke up sit on top of me. Not just me, but my mom and my brothers had the same experiences. I could probably write you a book of things that I went through in that home.

Anyway I know of a warlock (he didn't call himself a witch) who lived in Gunnison. He was into a lot of the same stuff my granddad was into (and later I found out a couple of my older brothers). He had regular communication with wicked spirits and they granted him powers. He knew them by name. And as they came and went he would recognize they were different in personality and such. Well one day one of the spirits told him not to answer the door. This piqued his curiosity. Then there was a knock. He wondered why wouldn't they want me to answer the door? He opened it and a pair of Jehovah's Witnesses were there. The spirits were insistant on him not talking to them. He had never heard of them before, and one of them mentioned the name Jehovah, and he had a great hatred for it on hearing it. They left some literature and left. And the spirits told him not to have any communication with them anymore.

This made him even more curious. For he had dealings with Catholics, Protestants, New Agers, people of all different sorts of faiths and had never had a reaction the way he did from the spirits as he did to this group of people. That night he pulled out an old King James Version of the Bible....cont..

...and was curious about the name Jehovah. He had never heard of it before, so it just so happened that it fell open to Psalm 83:18, and in the KJV it says that 'you whose name is Jehovah art alone the Most Hight over all the earth' something to that effect. He knew there was something different about them as well because of the adverse reaction he had from the demons to them. Anyway they returned and he started to ask them many questions and they answered them all from the Bible. And he was startled to find that many of the things the spirit friends of his were telling him were found in the Bible. For example he told the Witnesses if they knew that the end was near, and they shared a couple of scriptures with him from Revelation about the topic.

He also learned by his studies that Babylon had a special place in occult mystisim, and was surprised to learn that the Bible depicts it as the source of all religion, etc. etc.

The wicked spirits had always helped him, but now they started to cause mischief and harm that he started to study. He came to the point where he knew he had to get rid of all of his books and objects on the occult in order to please Jehovah, as he had decided to serve God. And they refused to let him sleep, and did many of the things to him they were doing to me. Finally he started to pray to Jehovah and after he rid his house of everything dealing with the occult, the demons left him alone, but not always sometimes they would return and ask him to return to them.

I relate this experience for a couple of reasons. And now I will share with you what I have learned (which is quite different from the OP) the origin of these unseen forces are.

First, it should be known that anyone dealing with the spirit world, or unseen unknown entities that communicate with them (almost always telepathically) must realize they must rely on the word of the entity "on the other side." Many new agers are contacted by "aliens" from Pleadias or some such star cluster, and it is always telepathically. Spirit Mediums get in touch with spirits from the other side, etc. Whatever the case, in each instance these always must rely on the entity on the other end. And almost all the time, they believe everything they are told from these entities. They usually learn later they have been duped, lied too, tricked, etc. The only way one can be certain as to who is on the other side, is by going to a reliable source of information from that side. And the only one I have ever found is the Bible. The author claims to be from that side, has the good of man at heart, and reveals many details about that side, that all fly in contradiction to what we on the human side are constantly told from beings from the unseen realm that communicate with us. And the picture it paints (if reliable, and I personally believe it is reliable) is not a good one for those who communicate with unseen spirit forces.

The Bible teaches that there is a spirit world (it calls God the Great Spirit). In it God created beings as himself, commonly known as angels, they were all created in perfection, with freewill just as humans, but superior to humans. That in the pre-flood world a spirit son of God rebelled against his rule and came to be known as Satan (meaning resister/opposer) and Devil (meaning literally Slanderer) what his real name is, is not revealed there. It also states that during that time Satan got many "sons of Gods" or angelic spirit sons of his to join him in his rebellion and they forsook their positions in heaven took on human form and took wives to have sex with the women of man (which was a gross perversion of their state.)

The Bible states that Satan and his spirit followers have had free realm of heavens and earth since their rebellion until recently, when they were kicked out of heaven. When Satan and his demons were kicked out of heaven they were bound to the vicinity of the earth (this was done at the outset of WWI...cont.

Hmmm Mf_Luder You have had your head in those books haven't you!
As part of my ever growing research I have delved there also I must admit, but primarily for looking into the whole picture, to understand everything that reinforces my beliefs, and my beliefs are based mainly upon experiences, gut feeling and intuition. I am a pagan, my path is the craft, but most of my work is healing and divination in order to help people, I also have some psychic abilities and have always been able to see and sense spirits and entities as well as being an empath. Your thread was very good, but I am very glad you didn't post the summoning rituals and seals on here, there are some that would misuse this information without thinking about the consequences, that would be to their detriment as we both know. Thanks for just putting the info on how to banish!

in 1914). Since that time the increasing of lawlessness, crimes, and all badness has been the result. In fact the Bible tells us that the heavens rejoiced at that momentous event, but that the earth would now have great woes and badness because of it:


(Revelation 12:7-9,12) . . .And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha‧el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.....On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”

Nowhere does the Bible state that demons come from hell, or that that is the abode of Satan. In fact it states that Satan is the ruler of the world, a fact that is confirmed when Jesus didn't deny Satan's claim to be able to offer all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus (one of his temptations) if Jesus were to bow down before Satan and worship him.

The Bible clearly tells us that the dead are non-existent in a sleep-like state. So once again, the account that there are ghosts, or dead people who are not dead cannot be true. It does show us that these wicked spirit sons of God who rebelled are very intelligent, and are cunning liars and decicvers. They can easily imitate a dead person's loved one, even giving details about their lives, and even mimicking their voices to fool gullible people.

It reveals that Satan and his demons have been bound to the earth and that they know they are about to be destroyed, and are causing ruin on a great scale earthwide because of this, and are "misleading the entire inhabited earth." That is basically all humankind are being lead into deception by them.

There are no good demons. Someone here posted the truth about the matter, there may be differing degrees of wickedness among them, even Jesus said that when he expelled a demon from a man that it would travel abroad and not finding an abode returns to its home and upon seeing it swept clean reenters it but this time with more spirits more wicked than the first, and that the outcome of that man is worse than at the start. So even he recognized that wicked spirits vary in wickedness.

The only true place of concealment and protection from the demons is in the truth, and that is with the source of light, the true God Jehovah.

Many people here are skeptical, and may not accept the Bible. But what they then must accept is their own wisdom, and that which is given them from the spirit realm if they decide to play with it. You cannot control an evil spirit. And these words of Paul about them are noteworthy:

(James 2:19) . . .You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder.


Well, I'm out of time. I hope some of this helps someone. Again, I wish to state this to help out on the subject, and realize that not all are of the same mindset, and will not agree.

The fact that people claim to expel demons, does not mean at all they have God's approval or help behind the matter:


(Matthew 7:22-23) . . .Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.

Certainly, one thing that demons aren't too crazy about is putting up a wall of chaos between you and them, because it makes it difficult for them to manifest themselves in this reality. One good way to do this is to use a mantra or chant to clear your mind so they can't attach themselves so strongly to this reality.

Curiously enough, the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), sometimes pronounced "JEE HO VAH," is a good mantra to chant. Use it in it's original form though, which is to cycle through the vowel sounds to create a Doppler-type, phase-shifting sound along the lines of "EEEEYOOOWWWWAAAAHHHEEEEEE..." and so on. repeated. It's a chant/name/sound found all over the world that is both artificial and natural. To some, it's the true name of "God." It's the sound a car makes as it's passing by on a rainy day. It's the sound of am Australian digeridoo. You can even buy a phase shifting pedal for a guitar that does it for you.

Apparently, the idea is to "de-structure" the interaction so the link is broken between the virtual existence they normally inhabit and the real world we live in. It's a pretty good tool to have in your back pocket in case of emergencies, but don't count on it to keep the things away. Once you've opened up the box, they're hard to put back in.


P.S. -- I personally think Christians are not only more susceptible to demon attack, but also to falsely thinking that they have more control over them than they do. They think invoking Jesus is a kind of cure-all, but that makes no sense, since the Gospels are pretty clear that Jesus himself may have been infected and contaminated by demons, leading to his execution. In the end, the only way to rid yourself of a particularly nasty demon is to pack up and get away, since demons and other entities like ghosts are often stuck in or have an affinity for a particular place, for whatever reason (a particular configuration of electromagnetic and biomorphic fields?). And if you're in that place, you're going to run into them.

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Blue Shift, the using of Jehovah's name in occult circles started in prediluvian times.

For example the scripture tells us:


(Genesis 4:26) . . .And to Seth also there was born a son and he proceeded to call his name E′nosh. At that time a start was made of calling on the name of Jehovah.

We know that the calling on Jehovah's name wasn't anything sacred or holy or good, because the scripture tells us that during Enosh's life, he was the only one that was upright before Jehovah. So the calling on Jehovah's name had a derogatory connotation, probably in such a way as you pointed out.

A lot of modern day mysticism, rites, rituals, and other occultish stuff comes from the kabbalah, which is Judaic Occultism. Sometime two centuries or so before Jesus came to earth the Jewish religious leaders started a practice of refusing to pronounce Jehovah's name, or the tetragrammaton. A name that is someone mysterious now, takes on occultish properties, and is it any wonder that the occult started to use God's name in their occult practices? All in contrary to the command by God:


(Exodus 20:7) . . .“You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way.

Originally posted by bdb818888
reply to post by thegoodearthGod took my son, he was only 21 it destroyed my faith in God , I want that faith back , I pray and I pray but feel nothing, I'm dead inside . Maybe if I see a Demon it will restore my faith , because praying is not working.

 

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I am extremely saddened to hear about your son - I have a 15 month old myself and can only imagine what I'd do if something were to happen to him.

Let me tell you this though. If you are trying to restore your faith in God, seek help from the clergy of your previous faith or seek a new faith. You do not want to resort to summoning a demon. I know how it may seem as like a last option kind of thing for you but it is not the correct one by any stretch of the meaning. There are other ways out there for you to regain your faith in God.

Again I am sorry to hear about your loss, but I cannot provide summoning rituals to you. I won't. Seek help from your clergy. They will be your first step.

"Everything happens for a reason." - someone once told me that.

Originally posted by catgtr33
Hmmm Mf_Luder You have had your head in those books haven't you!

As part of my ever growing research I have delved there also I must admit, but primarily for looking into the whole picture, to understand everything that reinforces my beliefs, and my beliefs are based mainly upon experiences, gut feeling and intuition. I am a pagan, my path is the craft, but most of my work is healing and divination in order to help people, I also have some psychic abilities and have always been able to see and sense spirits and entities as well as being an empath. Your thread was very good, but I am very glad you didn't post the summoning rituals and seals on here, there are some that would misuse this information without thinking about the consequences, that would be to their detriment as we both know. Thanks for just putting the info on how to banish!

Thanks - and the primary reason I didn't is because we've seen what can happen when that stuff can go wrong. I won't be held responsible for someone misusing that type of information and getting themselves in deep water without a life boat.

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I agree with Mr. Luder 100%. Please do not turn to the forces of darkness to find your way back to faith. If you believed in God before, then you must know that He has not forsaken you. That is the great fallacy of the Father of Lies. He promises, he strikes, then you are lost forever.

Think of your son. Do you really believe he wants you to do this? He is praying for you, right now. He has sent all of us here on this forum to dissuade you from this quest, can't you see that? Your Guardian Angel is right beside you, this very second, as you read this, , hoping that you will turn away from these thoughts and ask for his help in your grief. Feeling alone and isolated is exactly what Satan wants of you. You are never, ever alone. I promise you that. Pray for your Angel's help. Ask God for a little bit of comfort to get through each day, and take each day one at a time. I will pray for you.

God Bless~

reply to post by thegoodearthThank You , you are very kind , but I can't shake this empty feeling inside me , I have got on my knees and begged God for help but I feel no love from him , I have no where to turn . I don't want nothing from a Demon or to make any deals , I think seeing or speaking with one would restore my faith , the again ,nothing might not even happen , I have even tried talking to my Guardian Angel and never felt or heard or seen his presence. A lot people claim they have seen Demons and Angels and that it changed their lives , I need this experience , I can't continue feeling empty inside.

Originally posted by bdb818888
reply to post by thegoodearthThank You , you are very kind , but I can't shake this empty feeling inside me , I have got on my knees and begged God for help but I feel no love from him , I have no where to turn . I don't want nothing from a Demon or to make any deals , I think seeing or speaking with one would restore my faith , the again ,nothing might not even happen , I have even tried talking to my Guardian Angel and never felt or heard or seen his presence. A lot people claim they have seen Demons and Angels and that it changed their lives , I need this experience , I can't continue feeling empty inside.

 

That's the problem, if you summon one, it doesn't matter what you wanted or didn't want to happen. It's all in the Demon's hands at that point and that's a road you cannot allow yourself to go down.

Rituale Romanum, The

The Rituale Romanum , or priest's service manual, contains the only formal exorcism rites sanctioned by an established church. First written in 1614 under Pope Paul V, the ritual remained untouched until 1952, when two small revisions were made in the language.

As early as its publication in the 17th century, the Rituale strongly cautioned priests against exorcism when no true possession existed. And as medical science further defines illnesses previously thought to be the result of demonic interference - hysteria, multiple personality, schizophrenia, paranoia, sexual dysfunction and other neuroses brought on by childhood terrors and obsessions - determining true possession has become increasingly difficult. The 1952 revisions changed the wording that symptoms of possession " are signs of the presence of a demon" to " might be " States other than possession, originally described as "those who suffer from melancholia or any other illness," became "those who suffer from illness, particularly mental illnesses." Many devout Christians have turned away from the idea of possessing demons at all.

Others continue to believe in demonic possession. If the victim exhibits signs of paranormal capabilities, shows superhuman strength and, most importantly, manifests knowledge of previously unknown languages, then he or she is a possible candidate for demonic exorcism. If such symptoms accompany extreme revulsion for sacred texts and objects, then the church may deem the victim possessed. With permission from a bishop, the exorcist begins the ancient ritual.

Exorcism is not a sacrament but a rite and is not dependent on rigid adherence to a set of actions; exorcism relies on the authorization of the church and the faith of the exorcist. The exorcist is FREE to VARY THE PROCEDURE, substituting his own favorite prayers, altering the sequence of events or speaking in his own language. Most exorcists have found, however, that LATIN particularly bothers evil spirits. The Rituale provides instructions for exorcism, exorcism of people possessed by the devil and exorcism of places infested with the devil or other demons.

The Rituale exhorts the exorcist to make sure that the victim is possessed and not suffering from mental illness. Even during exorcism, the priest should continue to question the victim about his mental and spiritual state. Under no circumstances should the exorcist offer medicine to the victim, leaving such work to a medical practitioner. If the possessed is a woman, the exorcist should be assisted by a strong woman, preferably from the possessed's family, to avoid the hint of scandal. The possessed should hold a crucifix during the exorcism, and the exorcist is encouraged to use holy water and relics, recite passages from the Bible and liberally make the sign of the cross over the victim. Finally, the exorcist should speak in a commanding voice, only questioning the devil about his name, the number of demons in possession, where they came from and how they got there. In keeping with its 17th-century origins, the Rituale asks the exorcist to find out whether the evil spirits were sent because of a sorceror's magick spell or other occult documents. Unnecessary questions about future events or the conditions of past loved ones only put the exorcist in the power of the devil.

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Not acknowledging something doesn't make it go away...

reply to post by bdb818888

I think it should be noted that there is no need for complex traditions and ceremonies to invoke a conscious entity. Most of these traditions are not for the presence that we are summoning, but are for our sake alone. You believe therefor you are. The idea is of course, your mind set. To raise your conscious vibratory frequency to a level more conductive of the frequency of that which you are summoning.

The thought alone is enough to allow for presence to come through. You will see a Demon if you want to, even if you dont recognise it. "No doubt, you already have" and I say that with the utmost conviction.

A simple way of invoking a weaker presence, would be to go to a place where dimensional vortices are known to exist "Like a haunted house" and simply, but truly ask to speak with a presence. Though, you may find them less then cooperative. Using the most popular tools of the occult, like the ouija board, tarot, I Ching, and such, are another great way of achieving this. If your are interested in something more serious you could pick your self up the short version of the necronomicon. Or better yet, you could... Are we attracted to this energy, is this who we want to be?

Going back to my earlier post. These conscious inorganic biological fields can not exists with out a organic energy source. We feed off love and light. Know well what feeds off you.

MF Luder, sorry if this was already asked I didnt read through all of the pages. How do you get rid of a Incubus?

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Drop salt barriers at the doors and windows of the place you don't want him at.

IF that doesn't work - which it should - contact me for further instructions.

Can you send U2U's yet?

If so - I'd be interested to hear the story behind this.

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Thanks for responding, I will try the salt barriers. I am not able to send U2's maybe I havnt posted enough. I think you have an Aim address on your page. Maybe we could link up and I will tell you all about it.

Oh I see, you need about 200 posts. That will never happen. I will try and contact you through that instant messenger add**************

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As many others in this thread have done, I urge you to avoid contacting these entities. Right now, you have the power to choose to avoid summoning such beings. Once you cross that line, however, it is not your choice to go back.

Demons are not as powerful as God, but they are nonetheless more powerful than you can comprehend. You are, without a doubt, powerless against one of these. I'm not even convinced that God would bail you out of something you invited. Not immediately, at least.

No offense, but I'm not sure if you're for real about doing this. You keep hinting at summoning, being told not to do it by people on here, and then coming back and threatening to do it again.

If you really intend to do this, though, don't. I would equate this to shooting yourself to prove that it hurts. Enough people have warned against this for you to know better.

Also, you don't need to have some complicated chanting or whatever to summon. It's as simple as wanting these monsters around badly enough. There's no magic word. They want nothing more than to devour you, and all the easier if you invite them.

This is nothing to mess around with, my friend. The first time you do could be your last. Even if you survive, you may have damage that will stay with you for the rest of your life. It's simply not worth it.

That empty feeling you describe won't be helped by having your soul gutted by an inter-dimensional monster. You'll feel more empty than before and will have to live with the guilt that you caused it.

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