My beliefs have changed regarding 911

reply to post by butcherguy

Yes, the Scripps Howard Poll that was shown to be HACKED, by ?
Perhaps YOU know who hacked the poll, redirecting certain respondents likely to vote against the OS to a PORN WEBSITE.

Do you have any other propaganda?

edit for source:
www.wanttoknow.info...



[edit on 9-7-2010 by Stewie]

reply to post by Stewie
How about this one, world wide poll. 15% say the US Govt. was involved.

A poll taken by World Public Opinion, a collaborative project of research centers in various countries managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, College Park

Now that is from 2008, a little newer than yours. Or did my CIA cohorts ( that is a joke, okay?) hack that one too?

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Yes, the Scripps Howard Poll that was shown to be HACKED, by ?
Perhaps YOU know who hacked the poll, redirecting certain respondents likely to vote against the OS to a PORN WEBSITE.

Do you have any other propaganda?

edit for source:
www.wanttoknow.info...



[edit on 9-7-2010 by Stewie]

BTW, from your source above:

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The news summary sent to our email list this morning (3/3/2009) provided the link to a 9/11 opinion poll on the respected ScrippsNews website.

Just when did this 'supposed' hack happen? Even the whacko site you linked to says they saw this in 2009.
The poll results I gave you were from 2006!

Better do better.

[edit on 9-7-2010 by butcherguy]

reply to post by butcherguy


PIPA? .org?

Rocky Feller loves PIPA, lol.

How about CNN?

i.a.cnn.net...

45% believe Bush was MODERATELY or GREATLY involved with 911.
Clinton? How about 41%

ADD in "just a little involved" and you get 64% for at least SOME complicity by Bush, and 62% for Clinton.

Looks like the information "controllers" need to ask PIPA, what the h%ll are we doing wrong? They can do a "poll" on that.

reply to post by Stewie
Now you're talkin' propaganda with that last post!
Did you find anything real to dispute Scripps Howard 2006?

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Joey Canoli

 

I don't really understand why they don't get it. 'It' being the fact that some of the 60% of the American people that believe that the US government had NOTHING to do with the 911 attacks might be bold enough to state it on a board somewhere.

Kind of like other truther standbys, if you believe the Feds you must be one or a paid poster!

Kind of like most lemmings run off a cliff huh? Because a majority follow that, that majority MUST be right, is this your point? Aside from the polls, which reflect OPINION of those polled only (ages polled, political leanings, gender, from what parts of the US, did it go worldwide, NUMBER polled, etc). The parenthesis are what I look at when considering numbers. Lost on science, cite only govt sites to prove GOVT reports confirm GOVT story, then Joey's little, "But it's so funny when" line he responds with. As opposed to addressing ANYTHING others mention, he gives his trademark line. Maybe they moved on to argue on the oil spill, lol. 911 was an INSIDE JOB.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Stewie

 

Now you're talkin' propaganda with that last post!
Did you find anything real to dispute Scripps Howard 2006?

See my lemmings analogy; polls are nearly useless. Type of propaganda; "90% of doctors say it is okay to drink and drive." So, you would be okay driving drunk, with THOUSANDS of other drunks on the road? The poll and the doctors said it, right? Which doctors? Their reasons? Also, how are poll questions asked? If I call an Orthodox Jewish community and ask, "Do you believe in Jesus Christ as your lord and savior?" It is likely 100% say no. If I call a non-denominational Christian church' members (using a list) and ask, 100% say yes. Or maybe call Muslims, and Catholics, or lets go Liberals or Conservatives? Polls can be manipulated and who is polled, how, where, etc all matters. The poll is useless; MANY people cannot name the capital of the state they live in. If 80% of people polled say the capital of Arizona is Nogales, does that mean that is the capital? It reflects opinion, and with a general lack of intelligence as to what things mean, I don't consider polls to include informed people across the board.

Iraq had WMDs, Saddam did 911, Iran is the biggest threat to the U.S., Iran can strike the U.S. today with ICBM capabilities, they have a nuke arsenal of about 1,000 nukes. AUTHORITY or SEEMING authority says it, then it MUST be true huh? I am not sure if your intellect will let you see these analogies I present, especially as I have said, I know 911 was an inside job, the rest is spin.

Originally posted by AdmiralX

Kind of like most lemmings run off a cliff huh? Because a majority follow that, that majority MUST be right, is this your point? Aside from the polls, which reflect OPINION of those polled only (ages polled, political leanings, gender, from what parts of the US, did it go worldwide, NUMBER polled, etc). The parenthesis are what I look at when considering numbers. Lost on science, cite only govt sites to prove GOVT reports confirm GOVT story, then Joey's little, "But it's so funny when" line he responds with. As opposed to addressing ANYTHING others mention, he gives his trademark line. Maybe they moved on to argue on the oil spill, lol. 911 was an INSIDE JOB.

God, but it's funny when truthers go on a rant, and try to make a point and fail....

My views have changed considerably since I started looking into 9/11.

reply to post by shure


They sure have shure, and for the worse.

Please put the brakes on, for you're going down Hill fast!

Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by AdmiralX

Kind of like most lemmings run off a cliff huh? Because a majority follow that, that majority MUST be right, is this your point? Aside from the polls, which reflect OPINION of those polled only (ages polled, political leanings, gender, from what parts of the US, did it go worldwide, NUMBER polled, etc). The parenthesis are what I look at when considering numbers. Lost on science, cite only govt sites to prove GOVT reports confirm GOVT story, then Joey's little, "But it's so funny when" line he responds with. As opposed to addressing ANYTHING others mention, he gives his trademark line. Maybe they moved on to argue on the oil spill, lol. 911 was an INSIDE JOB.

God, but it's funny when truthers go on a rant, and try to make a point and fail....

Your name must be Lynn, lol. You type as he did (doctor I once knew, well, medical STUDENT before he quit med school). It just makes me laugh when you type that. It is meaningless.

reply to post by AdmiralX
You are absolutely correct.

Polls are meaningless unless there is a popularity contest.

With some groups, facts are just as meaningless.

When you ask which groups, I mean the ones whose arguments dissolve into things like holographic planes and nano-thermite.

Polls are far from "meaningless" if carried out in a conscientious psephological manner.

reply to post by TrickoftheShade
If you look at some of the late-night talk show hosts skits where they ask the average dumb-butt on the street really hard questions, like "Who is the Vice President of the US?" and 75% of them get it wrong.....

That is why I said polls are meaningless unless it is about a popularity contest.
A lot of the people they are polling, may not know their butt from a hole in the ground, but that will not stop them from answering.

BTW: I like your signature!

[edit on 26-7-2010 by butcherguy]

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by TrickoftheShade

 

If you look at some of the late-night talk show hosts skits where they ask the average dumb-butt on the street really hard questions, like "Who is the Vice President of the US?" and 75% of them get it wrong.....

That is why I said polls are meaningless unless it is about a popularity contest.
A lot of the people they are polling, may not know their butt from a hole in the ground, but that will not stop them from answering.

BTW: I like your signature!

[edit on 26-7-2010 by butcherguy]

Thanks - I actually borrowed it from someone on the Guardian website, but they were anonymous.

I agree that most people are pretty susceptible - if not downright thick. But remember that on the talkshow you can show 100 people saying they don't know who Tiger Woods is, but you may have to shoot 10000 people to get that result.

That's why I meant it has to be psephologically careful - the above sample wouldn't be a fair representation of espondents, although it would make them look very stupid.

Also, if you did poll 1000 representative Americans, with thorough methodology, and 75 per cent didn't know who the veep was, you'd be pretty sure that a large majority of americans don't know who Joe Biden is. Polls can reveal the truth, or a representation of it. It just might not be a particularly optimistic or useful result!

I can't say that I've seen conclusive proof that WTC was brought down by explosives or any type of premeditated acts but I do believe that irregardless of the how or why of 9/11 we are being distracted. After much reading and conversing with various acquaintances, I think there is a shadow government behind ALL of the world leaders. I think we are constantly being distracted from this fact. The real issue is if I am correct about the worldwide shadow governments, then who are they? Where did they come from? What do they want? I just think we are being distracted from seeing this shadow government because it will ultimately answer the question of where humanity came from and our true history. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so....there is so much to digest to keep us from knowing the truth about our existence.

reply to post by mikelee


I love people like you who says our government can't do a single evil deed against our own. I bet they knew of this event and let it happen. I stills say a bunch of cave dwelling arabs with box cutter knives couldn't just do this by themselves. I also believe israel was some how behind this as well. They wanted US to fight the wars in the middle east and they got their wish.


I am going to keep posting this link till people realize that our government can harm its own people.