Paranormal State - Excorcism

Hi Guys,

I was watching the reality show 'paranormal state' and wanted to get some feedback... each time I watch this show I watch as a sceptic. This particular episode was quiet scary and to me looked relatively credible.

I've provided a link which provides a snap shot of this particular showing, did anyone else watch this? If so what were you thoughts?

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Firstly I thought exorcisms were purely myth for some reason I was fairly convinced after watching this episode.

I love these types of shows and am quite gullible but I just can't stand to watch this guy. I can't even stand his voice or dialogue. Yes that sounds rude but it's true.

He just comes across to me as someone who thinks he's special but all I can see is a pompous doofus.

Sorry to answer your question The few shows that I've forced myself to watch I find everything he does to be fake with bad acting.

I did watch the clip you provided and wasn't impressed. Its sad but anything can be faked these days.

[edit on 6-6-2010 by Bachrk]

True, I must admit the clip really isn’t that compelling I think the episode went for an hr or so, they did a number of interviews with people close to her along with her psychologist... twas interesting...

This guy and his entire team are scam artists. He lost all credibility for his work when he went "mainstream." I met him at a conference a few years ago, and he was a really big jerk then. They give the word "Paranormal Investigator" a bad name through all of their clearly faked "evidence." It was proven that they rigged things to happen for the sake of TV. He, and the Ghost Hunters, may have started out as legit, but they have definitely sold out for the sake of making lots of money.

I just really hate it when I see this stuff and then realize that they are making a mockery out of something that us legit people are trying to get recognized as a real science.


Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

I've seen several legitimate Catholic Excorcisms at missions in Kenya.

I'm going to comment on this episode. Father Andrew Calder is an Excorcism obsessed priest. He lives in Dublin, GA. He was called in because the girl didn't meet the Catholic requirements for an excorcism. Deliverance was all she qualified for. Also kind of odd that he couldn't get someone within 1000 miles to touch the case. Thats says a lot right there.

I know Ryan. He's a fraud. He's never done an excorcism for the Catholic Church as he claimed. He's an egomaniac.

In my clinical opinion, just off the information I've seen and from actually talking to some of the PRS folks, the girl wasn't possessed. Which is why Ryan had to get Father Calder. He'll excorcise anyone. The girl's psychologist had a lot of his interview not shown.

I've seen a possessed person. That wasn't it. Ryan, PRS, ANdrew Calder should all be ashamed of themselves. They made a sick girl worse.

I dare say none of you have seen a legitimate excorcism. You will never see one on Paranormal State or any other show. The Church would never allow that. It's also mandatory for a legit Catholic excorcism for the possessed to undergo significant medical and psychological evaluation. And during the excorcism a psychologist, a MD and EMT's are required along with the conglomeration of priests and assistants.

It's a flat out hoax. Research Pranormal State. YOu'll see. You didn't see father Bob Bailey there either conducting the excorcism. He's a catholic priest. Ryan represents a lot of what Father Bob Does as excorcisms, but Father Bob has never performed an excorcism only prayers of deliverance.

reply to post by downunder666



I haven't watched the show

Like others, I used to believe that exorcisms were something from the 16th century and movie & tv

Then I was asked to assist at one. For six weeks prior, I felt I was living in a prolonged bad dream. I was going about my normal life, with the forthcoming exorcism pulling me down

Finally the day came. I was terrified but calm. Made it to Brisbane, still hoping I'd wake up and find it wasn't happening. Tried to get out of it, but couldn't

It wasn't as I'd expected. Nothing like movies or tv. Very low-key, no drama

I knew it was going wrong almost from the start. So decided that no matter what anyone else did, I was going to pray -- for everyone concerned. Whilst doing so, I had experiences which will stay with me until the day I die

Later that night, I was visited by an entity which informed me thus: ' You've got rid of the rest of them. Now you have me to deal with '. I don't know if I'll be 'dealt with' during my lifetime, or after death

The exorcist almost immediately contracted cancer of the kidneys, which is usually swift and fatal, according to newspaper articles written about his battle with the cancer. As a noted alternate-therapist (mentioned in several books) he utilized all the skill and knowledge at his disposal and was so successful, according the the Courier Mail, that a Brisbane hospital made a section of the hospital available to him in order he could teach other cancer sufferers how to combat their conditions

Once he'd recovered, the exorcist closed his highly successful alternate-therapies business and ended his until then deep involvement in the metaphysical sphere. He'd previously 'cleansed/exorcised' numerous sites in Brisbane where old buildings were being demolished to make way for new development, for example. After the failed exorcism which I attended, and after healing himself of the cancer which resulted, he withdrew from dealing direct with the public. He now runs a music business and writes and co-authoris books about alternate therapies and healing

The exorcist and his assistant chose not to follow the standard Roman Catholic rite of exorcism, despite that the senior exorcist was deeply affiliated with a major Christian church in the city, apparently. Instead, they chose a 'new age' version of exorcism to be conducted for people of all or no faiths. It shouldn't have mattered which ritual they'd followed, as far as I'm aware. For instance, charismatic healers quite frequently conduct exorcisms before tv cameras and claim to be effective

Malachi Martin is described as 'official Vatican exorcist'. He wrote a book, 'Hostage to the Devil'. In it, he explains that when a priest undertakes to conduct an exorcism (after gaining permission from Rome) he in effect 'does a deal' with the Debil. The terms of the deal, as far as I understand, is that the priest will undertake to 'exchange' himself for the possessed victim. The priest trusts that at the moment of his death, God will save his soul and deal direct with the Debil. Hence: ' Hostage to the Devil'. It means (AFAIK) that while alive, the priest is being held hostage in return for the release of the formerly possessed individual.

Malachi Martin has been accused of being considerably less than his official title and claims of devoutness would suggest. For example, Henry Makow and others assert that throughout his reportedly shady career as Vatican exorcist, Martin was on the payroll of jews, etc. I don't know what they paid him for and don't really care. Whatever the case, Martin's book 'Hostage to the Devil' is an informative read in more ways than one. Disturbing .... particularly with regard to claims that certain individuals are possessed and/or chosen to carry out horrifying acts (of murder, etc.) --- before birth

Movies, books and tv imply that after exorcism, people become 'brand new' and that's that (after the reader/viewer has been satisfyingly terrified). There's usually a lot of drama, pea-soup flying around, heads swivelling, and throaty growls included. And some people are very attracted to all that and decide they wouldn't mind getting involved

No amount of warnings can counter the love of drama and darkness, I realise, but I'll offer the warning in any case --- leave it alone. If it's thrills people are seeking --- go bungy-jumping or white water rafting or free-basing -- whatever. Because despite the belief we 'know it all' about virtually everything, and despite some people might have watched all the best exorcism horror movies and might have cut their teeth on Stephen King --- trust me, it doesn't even come close to the real thing. And the real thing is not a book which can be closed or a DVD that can be switched off. We do not know it all, or even a quarter. We have no idea what we're dealing with. I've seen it once or twice. It would scare the majority of people spitless. Life is much nicer before that door opens even a crack. Once it's been cracked open, it's impossible to fully close again. Because the door is in your mind. And you can't escape your own mind, maybe not even after death

reply to post by DrJay1975


So in your opinion would you consider this girl having a mental illness? And what about the body markings? self inflicted?

My knowledge of the girl is a bit more than what was on tv. Not a lot but significant enough for me to form an educated opinion. I believe they were self inflicted. Now there are cases when the mentally ill can make welts appear on their body without scratching themselves.

But yes I think she's mentally ill. The masses watch paranormal state and make the assumption its a paranormal phenomenon. Sometimes it is. In this case if you look at it from a clinical perspective you'll see that she's most likely schizophrenic, suffering from psychosis, suffering from paranoid delusions or is a disenfranchised teen trying to make herself the center of attention.

The simple fact is they tried to get a sanctioned catholic excorcism and could not get one because the girl didn't meet the criteria. ALso the I am Six thing comes from the Excorcism of EMily Rose.

The girl was a terrible actor.

Ask yourself these questions:

1: Why did they edit out the portions of the interview with her shrink that said she did suffer from mental illness and had a history of it?

2:Why wasn't PRS able to get an excorsist within 1000 miles to do the excorcism?

3: Why didn't the girl meet the criteria for a catholic excorcism, which the show attempted to obtain?

4:WHy was the only "Excorcist" they could get to perform the task a man who makes his living performing fraudulent excorcisms.

5:SHouldn't the excorcist know the difference between an excorcism and a prayer of deliverance being as he referred to the two as being identical in an interview.

6RS has been caught faking evidence, why would they be any more credible here?

7: Why the similarities with the excorcism of EMiliy ROse?

8:Being possessed by Belial? You might as well say Santa Clause or the Easter bunny or tell people your Jesus Christ.

9:If you just look at the girl without all the PRS BS do you see a troubled young lady or do you see a body being controlled by the devil?

10: If PRS was so concerned about the welfare of the girl then why air the episode?

11: In a legitimate excorcism there are ALWAYS medical professionals involved, catholic or otherwise. WHy were there none here?

Because the girl wasn't possessed. She didn't meet the criteria. And her psychologist should be ashamed. He should also sue PRS for making him look like a bigger fool than he is.

reply to post by Dock9


Fantastic post Dock.

I too have assisted at exorcism/deliverance, and it is quite frankly terrifying. A keen faith (assured confidence in the actual, 'omnipresent/omnipotent' power of God) does wonders to keep one focused - not to mention protected.

However, it does not deplete for an instant the awe-inducing horror that knocks at the door of the soul when it all kicks off.

I will share in spreading the warning that if at all possible, keep well clear of dealings with the demonic. It is a calling that is not to be taken up lightly, and the repercussions last a lifetime.

Peace.


Noah.

reply to post by DrJay1975


All good questions and good points, stuff I never thoughts off to be honest, certainly puts a different spin on things.. Unfortuantly I am a little gullable when it comes to reality T.V.. I guess in the case I was taken in!