[Debate]Phil Schneider's War

No piano wire it was a catheter (aka piss tube)
www.philschneider.org...
projectcamelot.org...
www.ufodigest.com...

The only thing i would say about this is that it is not hard to 'disapear' someone from records. If you employed someone in a top secret department do you not think having them easily traceable would be somewhat counterproductive?

Originally posted by LiveForever8
reply to post by True-seer

 

There are numerous threads about this, I really don't see the point in another one.

Here goes anyways...

Phil Schneider was nothing more than a narcissistic liar and fabricator. The proof of Schneider's lies is in the math. Take Phil's age and his time on various jobs he claimed to do, certainly try and consider time at college for his supposed degrees, which never existed anyway so scratch the college time and you'll see that he would have been 17 years old when he went to work for the government. Phil stated that he worked at Dulce in 1979.

1979 - worked at Dulce
1947 - born
32 - Phils age while at Dulce
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1981 - Last job
1947 - born
34 - Age when Phil ceased working (went on SSI)
17 - Years Phil claimed he worked in government
17 - How old he would have been when he went to work in the government.

Where are his college years in those 17 years? There aren't any however he claimed to be an Aerospace Engineer, Structural Engineer, Geological Engineer. Schneider is a mockery to the UFO Community. Just listen to that 1995 youtube of Phil's speech and see for yourself that he doesn't have a clue and dances around all over the place re-instilling old conspiracies of which half don't even exist and were the fabrications of others like William Cooper, etc. More importantly, what you didn't know was that while at Dulce, Phil simply worked for the Army Corp of Engineers and nothing more. This information is available through Social Security records as is everything else about Phil Schneider. The key here though is why didn't Phil ever say the words, "ARMY CORP OF ENGINEERS" in any of his speeches? Because he was hiding the truth amongst his many, many lies. Phil died by his own hands. If anything, that rubber hose around his neck (which wasn't a wire by the way) was put there by himself letting people think he was murdered because he was dieing anyway and he knew it. Schneider never let ANYONE ever see any of the supposed multi-thousand page government documents because they never existed. Instead, he went out in what was to look like a suicide so people would think differently. People like Schneider is what keeps the UFO Community from going forward. They make it look just a bit too kooky so NOBODY LISTENS to the truth when it is stated. We don't need these lies.

aliencases.conforums.com...

Maybe next time drag up one of the existing threads about this topic.

Doublepost please ignore.

[edit on 3-6-2010 by Loopdaloop]

reply to post by SmokeJaguar67


Great universe where you got your name. Too bad they were wiped out huh?

On topic, I am skeptical of Schnieder. like you and others stated, I want to believe it but the numbers are a bit off. I do wish to find out more about the topics he spoke of.

Originally posted by RyannVonDoom
reply to post by SmokeJaguar67

 

Great universe where you got your name. Too bad they were wiped out huh?

On topic, I am skeptical of Schnieder. like you and others stated, I want to believe it but the numbers are a bit off. I do wish to find out more about the topics he spoke of.

The numbers are off because they're not from Phil's memoirs or autobiography (or even a family member). These 'numbers' were put out there, after-the-fact (death).

C'mon man, even a semi-seasoned lawyer can twist numbers/dates, omit facts and get twelve people to convict an innocent man of murder.

The art of debunking, discrediting and dismantling a persons honor is nothing new. Look at Lee Harvey Oswald. The entire world believed he acted alone as a crazed madman. Now years later people even doubt he was involved at all.

So.............pfffffft to the numbers not matching. Just listen to Phil's lecture tours and let your own instincts tell you the truth not the Elite!

Google Video Link

Originally posted by One Moment

Originally posted by RyannVonDoom
reply to post by SmokeJaguar67

 

Great universe where you got your name. Too bad they were wiped out huh?

On topic, I am skeptical of Schnieder. like you and others stated, I want to believe it but the numbers are a bit off. I do wish to find out more about the topics he spoke of.

The numbers are off because they're not from Phil's memoirs or autobiography (or even a family member). These 'numbers' were put out there, after-the-fact (death).

C'mon man, even a semi-seasoned lawyer can twist numbers/dates, omit facts and get twelve people to convict an innocent man of murder.

The art of debunking, discrediting and dismantling a persons honor is nothing new. Look at Lee Harvey Oswald. The entire world believed he acted alone as a crazed madman. Now years later people even doubt he was involved at all.

So.............pfffffft to the numbers not matching. Just listen to Phil's lecture tours and let your own instincts tell you the truth not the Elite!

Google Video Link

You're making it out that I am personally attacking him. I've watched many of his speeches on youtube and think they could be real. Unfortunately for us we have no way of verifying anything.

reply to post by RyannVonDoom


I'm sorry that you took my posts the wrong way. I didn't mean to attack you personally. Your statement is understandable (and common).

It's just that why is it, his credentials (for lack of a better word) are being considered and brought to the limelight after his death (and mind-blowing revelations)?

I would think, whoever sponsored his lecture tours would've at least looked into his background to verify his claims beforehand. This way it would eliminate the possibility that they weren't about to sell tickets to listen to a bi-polar, schizophrenic, paranoid, delusional, post-traumatic nut-job whose likely to make up stories!
So suffice it to say, he passed SOME type of background check to authenticate his story!

It's easy to tear a person apart after they're no longer here to defend their honor. His ex-wife started to speak on his behalf then perhaps she felt she didn't have to defend Phils truth anymore.


[edit on 4-6-2010 by One Moment]

just for people who believe the claim that schneiders injuries were the result of some ` alien weapon `

just look at this :

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/b65e1a2a12012c8b.jpg[/atsimg]

i wont play guessing gmes - its the aftermath of a acident where a burst hydraulic pipe injected mineral oil into a workers hand at 3000 PSI

I could post a slew of other pics - from :

necrotising infections
cancers
chemical burns

etc etc

but the point is that his injuries are in no way special , or extra ordinary

reply to post by ignorant_ape


I don't believe Schneider ever publically showed his wound, did he?

I know the whole thing sounds crazy but for some reason, I believe him.
Why would anyone subject themselves to humiliation and criticism if not true? Not sure what he had to gain by saying all of this except being deemed a kook!

Plus, being found dead with a piano wire around ones neck kinda speaks (no pun intended) volumes.

reply to post by One Moment


sigh - it was a catheter tube NOT piano wire

I find the whole underground Alien bio lab thing at Dulce very hard to believe. Its just an outrageous story all together. There has never been any proof that an underground facility at Dulce even exists, much less one that contains Greys and Reptilians among other Alien factions.

While the whole Phil Schneider story is highly interesting and entertaining and would make for an awesome sci-fi flick - I seriously doubt that there is even one ounce of truth behind any of it. That fire fight that supposedly happened is just hard to believe.

Stuff like this is a part of UFO lore and Ufology in general that I just have a real hard time wrapping my head around.

If someone could present some hardcore facts about the case and shed some light on it that it *could* be true, i'd listen, thats for sure.



[edit on 4-6-2010 by -Blackout-]

Originally posted by One Moment
reply to post by RyannVonDoom

 

I'm sorry that you took my posts the wrong way.

I didn't mean to attack you personally. Your statement is understandable (and common).

It's just that why is it, his credentials (for lack of a better word) are being considered and brought to the limelight after his death (and mind-blowing revelations)?

I would think, whoever sponsored his lecture tours would've at least looked into his background to verify his claims beforehand. This way it would eliminate the possibility that they weren't about to sell tickets to listen to a bi-polar, schizophrenic, paranoid, delusional, post-traumatic nut-job whose likely to make up stories!
So suffice it to say, he passed SOME type of background check to authenticate his story!

It's easy to tear a person apart after they're no longer here to defend their honor. His ex-wife started to speak on his behalf then perhaps she felt she didn't have to defend Phils truth anymore.


[edit on 4-6-2010 by One Moment]

Even when they are alive, it's easy to discredit. Christ, all anyone has to do is watch "the net" or "enemy of the state" to see how they can do things. And that's with the limited things they were allowed to show back in the early 90s.

I'm just saying, I'd like to know all of the truth about his claims. Sucks that we can't get anything more than his lectures and the information saying he's a liar.

reply to post by -Blackout-


Dulce will never be proven true.

All the evidence is anecdotal and cannot be verified and probably never will be.

I would not hold you're breath waiting for some Hardcore factual evidence, if anyone ever had it, I'm guessing it would have leaked by now.

Unfortunately many factors as important as Underground bases will never be proven in my opinion, no one wants a multimillion dollar secret leaking out to the public, so fanatical nut jobs can try and speed through the entry gates trying to find an Extra Terrestrial sweeping a corridor.

We just dont have the man power, the money or the technology to try and attempt to prove the Us Army wrong.



[edit on 8-6-2010 by Mark_Frost]

reply to post by Mark_Frost


Exactly, the US military are the most powerful known force in the world. Perhaps Schneider was telling the truth, perhaps he wasn't, either way we will never know.

Originally posted by One Moment
reply to post by ignorant_ape

 

I don't believe Schneider ever publically showed his wound, did he?

Watch the May 1995 lecture from Post Falls, Idaho. Schneider is asked by a member of the audience to show his injuries. He gives two views of his chest injuries.

I think Schneider's injuries aren't really explained otherwise. He also claimed to suffer from radiation sickness and cancer because of the weapon.

Actually, at 1:19:00 in the same video, a few posts above me posted by One Moment, Schneider shows his injuries to his chest.

[edit on 8-6-2010 by Svoboda]

reply to post by Svoboda


He also shows his hand, it looks pretty melted but as stated above it could've been from anything.

reply to post by One Moment

I agree. This man wasnt that good with words but you could tell how confident he was because of the memories he had of it. Ppl ask where the evidence is... The dude died for the sake of opening us up to the real truth. Extremely interesting going back through his speeches but depressing knowing that the population is so blind towards these outspeakers that if a change is needed, it wont happen..