Pro NWO (any replies)

reply to post by MrJelly

Humans are greedy. Yes, that much is true.

That obviously applies to TPTB just as much as to everyone else. They sure as hell aren't in it for nature or any selfless reason like that (except perhaps in their rationalizations).

And no, loans do not automatically equal inflation. Fractional reserve banking of couse does, especially when there's a big central bank preventing banks from going under. Remember, in a free banking system FRB is dangerous. In the 1800s in the USA banks frequently went under and their owners impoverished. The Federal Reserve was designed to protect fractional-reserve bankers from their own bad karma.

In general, I think you do not give nearly enough credit to the government for the ills of society. You should peruse mises.org.

Yes, some ills are caused by overpopulation of the lowly "masses" (your contempt-laden word, not mine), but in a free society, the cost of having children would eventually put a check on irresponsible reproduction.

But I think the real kicker is the depopulation. You can sing the NWO's praises all you want, but then don't whine and complain when you find your next bed is going to be a black plastic coffin liner.

I personaly am all for a one world government, it is the natural evolution of a species, if people cant see that, then i genuinly believe they are blinded by nationalistic bull# enforced upon us to keep us segregated.

Am i all for some hokey pokey illuminati style NWO!!! ?

hmmmmm im not really sure how to answer that. In all my years of studying the big shiny blue thing we call Earth, ive never found one shred of real evidence for it.

I have however seen people leaning towards there natural destiny[for lack of better phase] and bound by a system they cannot escape or reform. I dont watch TV much but i do download good shows, the last great show i watchd was The Wire, this displayed this principle brilliantly. We are ultimatly at the mercy of the system and theres # all we can do about it.

Was Ghengis Khan an Illuminati super sleeper agent????, see what im saying?

To often i hear people abuse the nwo without taking responsibility, indeed it is nice to see someone do that which is hardest; blaming oneself.

Yo are 100% correct that we allow the to treat us this way because we are lazy or scared of losing, even though we outnumber them.

However there are problems with what you have said.

Firstly:
It has got to a point where they control almost everything, you need them to get a job, and you have to follow their rules unless you want to go to prison so really there is no freedom. We cant just leave the system, they have made it so that is now virtually impossible unless everyone does. For example if you want a job its in the system, if you want to acquire land it must be bought and taxed you must send your kids to schools and they dictate what is taught.

Secondly
If i taught you from the beginning of your life that you can trust the government because they want to help you and conditioned you to believe it by banning certain books and making you successful if you regurgitate what i teach you and continuously hammer into you that the government is good for the first 16 years of your life then why would you think otherwise? Why would you not trust me?
By the time we do learn is a lie we have lived most of our lives in the system, its hard to break free.

Thirdly
You rightly claim that no one forces us to kill one another during wars. This is true, but then again they specialize in brainwashing and manipulation, and Psychology (Milgram, Zimbardo) have shown that if you exploit specific human instincts and prey on our ability to be programed then it can be seen as they have abused the power we trust them with.

We trusted them to look out for us, to reach us, to educate us, that was our biggest mistake and we are paying the price now because they exploited us. Our mistake was to trust the leader to be fair and selfless in the beginning. Yes we need to now smarten up, but that is fighting a lot of programming, it does not however give them the right to treat us like dog or cattle.

It is our fault for not taking responsibility, we got lazy, but at the same time its a choice to be bad enough to exploit someone. We all know that if they step down, someone else will take their position and yes we are dumb when it comes to population control etc but the blame is not one sided and certainly they must be held responsible for their actions.

reply to post by Gabearch


1st- By you CHOOSING to live within the matrix, artificial womb, or SOCIETY..you must play by the rules that they (and in reality the masses/you becuase you have asked for it) have created. So in other words, if you want a job you have to go through them because society is a structure created, maintained, by them. The masses only play in the matrix. The elite give options, "you want to NOT hunt, and NOT find shelter on your own? You want to live in society and have all of those provided for you? there are consequences.
Again, they do not mess with hunter gatherers of today

2nd- THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BRAINWASHING. non of milgrams or anyone elses experiemnts have proven otherwise.
Even in the famous electrical shock one, the people were WILLING to give other humans HIGH and lethal doses of shock because why??? the masses knew they would not be blamed for it. One man even asks "IF something happens to him on the other side of the door will I be held responsible for it?" and after the "scientist" says "you will not be held responsible", the man goes ahead and zaps a high dosage. LOL.
SO they CHOSE to do it on their own.

THe masses love to believe in fairy tales. The masses WANT to sleep. Even when they "wake up" they go back to sleep on their own terms.
Listen, if I tell you outside of your house is a monster and you believe me without searching or asking or USING COMMON SENSE...who the # is at fault. Is that brainwashing?

You got people eating Whole wheat and saying its healthy... LOL wheat is not healthy. USE common sense...what did our ancestors eat for 4 million years? Animal Fat and animal protein...some vegies and some fruits. THATS IT (insects also)
NO CARBS. lol. Agriculture is 10k years old and our bodies do not like it and it takes MUCH longer than that for evolution to take place.
So if you eat high fat, protein and only carbs from veg and some fruits and nuts YOU WILL BE HEALTHY.

SImple things like that.
So no one is being brainwashed forcefully. THe masses CHOOSE to be brainwashed. YES BY CHOICE.
and non of the Jones and david icke people want you to know that there is no "we". only I. that no one is stopping you from reaching your goal. That the roadblock is Icke, and Jones, and not the illuminati.
That will smith got to be where he is because he worked hard and the illuminati went to him because they saw he was working hard....not complaining

Originally posted by MrJelly
Agriculture is 10k years old and our bodies do not like it and it takes MUCH longer than that for evolution to take place.

I've seen evidence that evolution is incorrect and DNA can arise spontaneously in a sterile environment.

Also, serious evolutionary physical changes can take place in the span of a few decades.

Consider David Wilcock's latest: youtube.com... (Start at 20:00 .. also don't miss 31:30 or watch from Part 1 )

for knowledge.

[edit on 2010-5-30 by sandwiches]

reply to post by MrJelly

================================================
For a start I am a successful business man who through study and long hours generating 350 to 500K dependant on annual results.

Nevertheless, I think this world is wrong. The system we are in is wrong, and the people who have shaped it in the past have been wrong. It will be proven in the next few years, believe me.

If you wish to compare mankind with the animal world "eat and be eaten" than you are still barbarian and learned anything of true life yet. Yes, the materialistic part you know pretty well, and how to go on to live in your fantasy world, you know well for sure. However, if you get the time, one day in your life you will be presented the bill, one way or the other.

You don't know yet is that life is more than money, greed and materialistic intentions. How happy have you been in your life when you were able to give something truly valuable for free to someone you love, or that just would really need it. Did it make you extremely happy in getting gifts? Probably not that much, as in your heart you feel it is much better feeling to give something than to get something.

You go on in high lighting that the nature of mankind is like animals, and that all is the result of choices made you the individual. How about capacities within persons? You probably would say that is your faith, and you choice is within the boundaries given.

It should hurt any decent person with a warm heart that people next door are starving while you and me through a different set of starting points, are doing the things we do and close our eyes for the letting these people rot. Don't even think that the UN is taking care of. "They would have died", come on man for LOL are you living on an ATOL ? People are dying in great numbers everyday around you in this Global Village, right next on your door step, if you watch the world, because of famine.

"Nature dictates that animals... etc... Law of nature and 3rd grade info...."
This proves to me that you can't be saved and you are just a poor person with a sick egoistic mind, that lives his own world, probably way too fat as most americans. You probably have a load of arms in your house to kill anyone that is a possible threat to you, and still live by the constitution written in pre-historic 1776, by masons that only were looking for their own greedy interests and killed most of the native americans for their own greed and stole the land from them. Don't make me really angry here, but this is your justification for your wealth over there? Bastards were your ancestors, and shame on you as you didn't do a f#k to pay back for what your grand-grand fathers stole. Got the picture?

Going back to illuminati where this thread was all about, and that they are good for us, I would just say dream on. Their position will not last much longer and the bill will be presented to them soon (and you for the matter).

Someone please, prove that all above written is wrong, immoral and unethical.
MrJelly probably is still too young and has lots to learn, despite his degree in psychology. Or should I say because of his degree in psychology where he has been taught the wrong things in life, and blindfolded, mislead and given sufficient money to keep him quite and happy to support the illuminati agenda.

Emotions distinguishes mankind from most of the animal world. Emotions come from a warm heart, what your cold brain doesn't have.

The age of running society with cold brain only, is "passé defini". A world where the wisdom of the heart is going to prevail is arising. Watch your dimes.....

===============================================
Just in case you didn't watch the YouTube vids: Ring of Power and/or Red Shield 2, it is an eye opener for you that blames the masses. Manipulation, theft, assassination, nothing stops illuminati sofar.

[edit on 30-5-2010 by GeosAlien]

Whatever you call yourselves - Illuminati, Freemasons, Jesuits, Angelos etc. - has a rumour reached the lower ranks of male-only societies yet, that you are losing hold of The Light? It's just a matter of how damage is going to done in your increasingly desperate attempts to maintain imprisonment of The Light - Jesus - who will NOT accept a male-only, communist future Earth.

The Light - the true Upholder of Nature - adores women.

reply to post by Trafalgar1805

reply to post by ghostsoldier


I haven't watched the video as there is no need. The Light was and is not a communist. In order for the NWO - as penned by homo-socialists in male-only societies - to become the system on Earth, they have to pressure someone into paying the tax bill for it. They associate themselves with him and misprepresent him. Jesus does not like male-only societies, whether they are Freemasons, priests, monks, or brotherhoods of light.

The Light is an individualist who will help those in genuine need but not those who could and should help themselves. The Light does NOT want the redistribution of wealth from the clear (good people) to the dark (bad people) through either socialist or capitalist means.

The filter (ascension) will be applied.

[edit on 30-5-2010 by Trafalgar1805]

While it may be true that human societal evolution will end up with some kind of global system, I dont think we are quite ready for that. Our consciousness needs to evolve quite a bit, such that we can operate without overbearing egos, which tend to divide the world into "us" and "them" scenarios.

The current effort to create a global system of governance is based upon the principles of force and control--rather than natural evolution. Force and control are opposed to natural evolution, which takes time.

So if you choose to welcome the NWO that will soon be forced upon us, you may come to regret that choice that once it is established. There were many in Russia who welcomed the revolution of 1917, but a few years later they seriously regreted it ever happened, and had to suffer the consequences of force and control for decades to come.

reply to post by Trafalgar1805
IMO if there's a God He made all religions. Jesus is not the only way. The only way is tolerance and love for all His creation.

reply to post by ghostsoldier (Jesus was a communist)

Actually, Jesus was an anarchist:

www.anti-state.com...

I wouldn't mind a New World Order so long as the intent is good. Id love to see a world with no wars atleast. If the NWO is going to bring "order" back to this planet, I'm all for it.

Originally posted by TheDarko
I wouldn't mind a New World Order so long as the intent is good. Id love to see a world with no wars atleast. If the NWO is going to bring "order" back to this planet, I'm all for it.

Agreed to a point. But do the ends justify the means?

[I] réponse à [url = # www.abovetopsecret.com... pid8929026] poste par TheDarko [[/ url] / i]
[Plus]

Planet Earth can be double or triple inhabitants.
Leaders are not even able to manage a grocery store and they would manage a supermarket! These are some idiots. Incapable.
Quote me a country that is? Almost no tax? In peace? Where?
Leaders do not watch tv. They do not listen to radios. They do not read newspapers. It is them who are media! They are the ones who invented the polls. The charts. Visit web counters.
The 'NWO' does not exist. This is a hoax. An Internet rumour that made laugh the Chinese.
Do not have child is not a crime. It is a crime to kill a living being.
________________________________

La planète Terre peut avoir le double ou le triple d'habitants.
Les dirigeants ne sont même pas capable de gèrer une épicerie et ils voudraient gérer un supermarché ! Ce sont des idiots. Des incapables.
Citez moi un pays qui est bien ? Presque pas d'impôt ? En paix ? Où ?
Les dirigeants ne regardent pas la tv. Ils n'écoutent pas les radios. Ils ne lisent pas les journaux. C'est eux qui font les médias ! Ce sont eux qui inventent les sondages. Les hit-parade. Les compteurs de visite sur Internet.
Le 'NWO' n'existe pas. C'est un hoax. Une rumeur sur Internet qui fait rire les chinois.
Ne pas avoir d'enfant n'est pas un crime. Tuer un être vivant est un crime.

Originally posted by huemaurice1
Planet Earth can be double or triple inhabitants.

Absolutely. The industrial farming that makes food so cheap in some parts of the world can feed everyone in the world several times over. This is an issue I've seen in a few past threads, and I agree with it.

It does, however, have the tradeoff of a smaller amount of "pristine" areas, which would more and more be confined to parks. Perhaps that is our future, and futuristic virtual reality that taps into even our senses of smell and touch will enable future humans to fully experience nature in her (past) glory.

The tradeoff is absolutely real though. Those who advocate for a more primitive and "natural" existence must, if realistic, advocate for a reduction in the human population.

This can either be moral, as in advocating that we all restrict our breeding to reduce the population, or immoral, as in the eugenic advocacy of genocide (though they won't call it that).

Those who advocate for individual human dignity, however, are forced to admit that this philosophy will eventually completely subject all the plants and animals on earth to human control. Their only hope, then, for experiencing raw nature, is in virtual simulations sufficiently advanced to provide the full sensory experience, or in exploration of other worlds.

Just an example of things that are beyond our control, what about the free energy that has been suppressed? What about the potential for cures of diseases that have been suppressed?

TPTB, NWO, Illuminati, whatever, they have worked behind the scenes with fear, death, and murder of individuals and their families to stop/hide technologies that could advance us to a point where we don't need fossil fuels and don't rely on overpriced food with a paper dollar.

But they've created this world for us over many generations. We have to play their game some, but it doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it our fault.

An NWO at this point in time would be terrible and eventually lead to 1984.

From his own memoirs,

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller