H.A.A.R.P causing earthquakes and volcano's

reply to post by theregonnakillme

Telsa's "earthquake machine" was a mechanical device. It had nothing to do with HAARP as shown in your own source:

He constructed a simple device consisting of a piston suspended in a cylinder, which bypassed the necessity of a camshaft driven by a rotating power source, such as a gasoline or steam engine. In this way, he hoped to overcome loss of power through friction produced by the old system. This small device also enabled Tesla to try out his experiments in resonance. Every substance has a resonant frequency which is demonstrated by the principle of sympathetic vibration;the most obvious example is the wine glass shattered by an opera singer (or a tape recording for you couch potatoes.) If this frequency is matched and amplified, any material may be literally shaken to pieces.

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HAARP is not a mechanical device, it uses radio waves. Radio waves do not cause things to shake. HAARP affects the the ionosphere. Tesla did not believe the Ionosphere (called the Heaviside layer in his day) existed.

Terrestrial phenomena which I have noted conclusively show that there is no Heaviside layer, or if it exists, it is of no effect.

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He was wrong about a few things.


Here is the full context of Cohen's statement:

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week’s scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B’nai Brith.
A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we’ve learned in the intelligence community, we had something called — and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that’s why this is so important.

He was asked about a false terrorist attack. He responded by saying that such false attacks and rumors of such attacks can be just as bad as the real thing. His mention of earthquakes is not about anything real, it is in reference to something Alvin Toeffler wrote about. Avlin Toeffler wrote about a lot of things, he is what is known as a futurist. He job is to speculate about all kinds of things.

Cohen concludes his statement by saying that even though there are false threats, the threat of terrorism is real and must not be ignored.


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reply to post by virgom129


You may have a point there and I have been considering this for some time.

Source 1 (WikiP)

Some of the main scientific findings from HAARP include:

3. Production of ultra low frequency waves in the 0.1 Hz range, which are next to impossible to produce any other way

Research at the HAARP includes:

8. VLF and ELF generation observations

Source 2

ELF/VLF radio waves penetrate deeply beneath the surface of the earth and interact with the geologic structure of the earth. This interaction induces secondary fields with measurable effect at and above the surface of the earth. Proper understanding of the physics of the generation and propagation of ELF/VLF waves and their interactions with earth materials will allow these waves to be used for applications such as sub-surface communications and exploration of the subsurface geological structure. The research called for under this effort is to assess the viability of exploiting the concept of electromagnetic induction to detect and image subterranean features such as tunnels, bunkers, and other potential military targets.

Geophysical surveying using natural ELF/VLF sources, such as lightning or auroral generated signals, is an established procedure. In general, however, the procedure has been developed with the interest in locating areas of highly conductive material such as metal ore deposits.

Whilst I would agree with you about HAARP not creating the electricity in the Icelandic volcano clouds Phage, but I am not so sure about your assertion that HAARP cannot create, or trigger, earthquakes.

We are talking frequencies that are pretty darn close to harmonic tremor. See the red frequency in this plot from Eyjafjallajokull.

It does not taken much imagination to deduce that prolonged exposure to this sort of frequency could set off a harmonic at the same frequency. Could that induce earthquakes? Maybe. I am holding an open mind on that one as ELF frequencies are actually all around this range between 0.1 and 6 Hz. That to my mind is too close for comfort and I am reminded, and I know I have said this before, of the organ pipe in my school chapel.

Rest a padlock on a certain key (very low) and it produced an harmonic that began to shake the fabric of the building. You could not let it run for long for fear of doing damage. Our physics master calculated it would probably only need a few hours to start destroying the fabric.

reply to post by Phage

HAARP is not a mechanical device, it uses radio waves. Radio waves do not cause things to shake. HAARP affects the ionosphere.

Really? If HAARP affects the ionosphere then pray do tell me how they intend to use it for mapping subterranean complexes?

Radio waves and of course the higher frequencies such as microwaves can however induce other waves in objects.

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reply to post by PuterMan

You are comparing electromagnetic radiation to mechanical vibration. Electromagnetic radiation does not cause matter to vibrate (without an antenna, tuner, rectifier, and speaker of some sort). Matter causes changes in electromagnetic radiation. It is these changes which subsurface exploration takes advantage of. By detecting these changes certain things can be deduced about the matter that the radiation travels through.

Here is the mythbusters episode concerning resonant vibrations causing destruction (ala Tesla). Vibrations occur but they do not continue to build to destructive levels. Something else Tesla was wrong about.
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reply to post by Phage


The whole of the earth is an antenna and they are playing about with frequencies at its design length.

I see no reason why an electromagnetic wave cannot induce a mechanical wave, and I have yet to see you prove that it cannot.

People are also antenae. The effects of ELF on the human body

So basically your video which is supposed to be mythbuster was not even the correct machine by the agreement of the two making it? Is that a myth buster?

I am watching the rest and I will come back to you when I waded through this.

Later:

I have to say 'not impressed' Phage. Not only did they NOT bust they myth, infact they proved the machine, but the point about it not causing a destructive resonance is not proven either as they did not run it long enough to bring down the bridge so to speak. Actually I doubt if a machine that size could have done it but add a heavier machine and I have no doubt that a damaging oscillation could be induced. Even the military are aware of these oscillations and break step on bridges so as not to induce them. Their (the mythbusters) 'scale model' was pointless and proved nothing as they could not possible reproduce the exact conditions for both machine and building. Basically a fail, and the possibility - and I do say it is only that - still stands until proven conclusively otherwise.

More about HAARP only affecting the ionosphere, an extract from a Stamfor University publication. PDF file

However, conducting such measurements over meaningful periods of time (many days to weeks) requires the use of a semi-permanent platform such a buoy

This would be one of those buoys that they have moored in the ionosphere would it?

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reply to post by Phage


I wrote a reply to this and it got chucked for being well aggressive probably; anyway I apologise for that. HAARP is known for causing earthquakes and here are a few links for those that think it is for purely research into weather modification.

link 1

great I also finally found the original source that convinced me about HAARP Orignial Source

reply to post by PuterMan

Clifford Carnicom. Great. Mr. Chemtrails himself. I won't put any stock in anything he says. Please look for an article with some science in it. A peer reviewed paper would be nice. But even Carnicom does not say (in that piece) that ELF radiation produces physical vibrations. It isn't up to me to prove it doesn't, it's up to you to show evidence that it does.

The mythbusters ran their test for a sufficient amount of time. The resonance reached a point and went no further. There is no indication that running the test longer would have had any other result. It does not matter that the machine was not exactly the same as the machine that Tesla built, it does the same thing. It creates a mechanical oscillation.

Yes, the Angers bridge collapsed as a result of soldiers marching on it. A lot of soldiers walking in step. That means that the force of all those soldiers stepping in time was applied to the bridge at the same time. Tesla's idea was that a small force could somehow be amplified by resonance, this is not the case. It still took the force of all those soldiers to cause the collapse. Now if it had been five or six of them it would have been something special but it wasn't, it was 478 of them. 478 times, say 150 pounds is 71,700 pounds. Almost 36 tons of rhythmic pressure, not a few pounds.

The HAARP heater affects the ionosphere and the ionosphere only. It can be used to cause the area it affects to produce ELF and VLF radiation, as the paper you linked explains. The paper you linked is talking about putting radio receivers on buoys to study the propagation of those radio waves. Here is another interesting quote from that paper.

It thus appears that VLF power radiated via modulated HF transmissions with the present HAARP facility may typically be

Originally posted by Essan
Is HAARP causing all the earthquakes and volcanic eruptions this year? Just a few thousand of them? A few hundred? Or only one or two?

Yes it is, it also caused the BP Oil tragedy in the gulf of Mexico, and it's subsequent top kill event.

Damn that haarp.

reply to post by badw0lf


Hmmm,. maybe it also causes people to be total idiots...

You being an example...

If you cant contribute to the thread then why just add your BS post???