“COREXIT” Dispersants “ALERT”

reply to post by pteridine


I agree with your assessment of the situation, as to the mechanics of this terrible mess. I also understand what you are suggesting be done has been done in Russia on a few of their well blow outs and worked but, all of these success were on dry land. Do not miss understand me, I am not saying that this technique can not work in the current environment that this well is in but, I think before a high risk move like that is performed which could cause shell fracturing to occur, a few things need to happen first and foremost.

.1 BP needs to be taken out of the Equation

.2 Congress or the President needs to give the EPA jurisdiction in the Gulf (even if this is temporary move) so NCCT can do proper toxicology testing on the Gulf Stream waters

.3 A panel of experts from the Oil Industry needs to be formed (which could include professionals from BP's engineering division)

.4 Engineering Models needs to be made to see what effects if any new problem solver may cause; and assess those possible outcomes

.5 All of the smaller vessels need to be moved out of the Gulf to allow 4 Super Tankers to be brought on site; to utilize their large vacuum systems and centrifuges; smaller vessels can be brought back into contain outside perimeter and the shorelines

.6 The Navy and Coast Guard should head up the containment with the expertise of the Oil Industry Experts; and all Oil Companies involved need to provide and make available all of the equipment they will need

.7 US Army Biochemical Division needs to bring in "FOX" M93A1 Vehicles to do complete air, water. and soil testing in all major populated areas along the gulf and within a 20 mile radius of the Gulf

.8 US Army Reserve and National Guard troops need be called in to provide the police call (cleanup for non military personnel) and placed on a 24/7 detail working in three separate shifts; with duty officers put in charge of the clean up

.9 US Air Force needs to be given a mandate to provide all logistics for the region in-conjunction with US Army CECOM to provide proper equipment, housing, food, and force readiness operation

.10 The US Treasury Dept. needs to take over financial evaluation; and keep track of overall costs of the clean up

.11 Last but certainly not least, BP needs to foot the Bill!

Once the spill has been contained and the situation is 5 by 5; Congress needs to put together an investigation team to assess any criminal actions if any on the part of BP; and levy fines or federal charges against those directly or indirectly responsible (if they had knowledge of any wrong doing by BP)

Respectfully

MolecularPHD

This is my assessment of this grave situation in the Gulf; there of course are many steps I left out; I am currently writing a complete task readiness report that I will be sending to the powers that be.

reply to post by MolecularPhD


1. BP has to foot the responsibility and the bill. Removing them too soon will not gain anything but hand their mess over to the Government and allow BP to say, "If you'd have let us handle it, it would have been done sooner/better/cheaper." Think of the two wars and sunken economy that the Obama administration got when it "won."
I would recommend that they go for the bottom kill on their dime and pay for all damages and remediation. I would give them every opportunity to ask for help before any march-in. When they do concede, I would have that be known to the world and have the BP CEO publically ask for unconditional help, or these weasels will try to squirm out. I see many more BP "clean hydrogen" commercials with sincere happy talk and flowers and Bambi in our future.
2. The EPA has jurisdiction within certain coastal waters but any new law that needs to be written should be written. Bordering island countries can also tag along; the straits of Florida are not that wide and the beaches of our neighbors are equally fragile. Hurricane season will be officially on us and this will certainly complicate things.
3. A panel of experts is already at hand. ADM Mike Mullen, USN [Chairman of the Joint Chiefs] tends to be prepared as does ADM Thad Allen, USCG, and they have access to a wide variety of experts and advisors in all areas.
4. Models may provide the limits of what might be possible, but the vagaries of the weather and the surface currents make hydrodynamic models less accurate as they predict further out in time. I think that task forces could be assembled to defend the most environmentally sensitive areas first as the spill moves toward the coast, as open ocean containment will be difficult in higher sea states. Russian capture and beach protection technology will be assessed.
5. Ships capable of oil recovery from the surface will undoubtedly be used but which ships to use should be decided by those who know them better than I do. Which are allowed near the leak and which are excluded will be the job of the USCG/Navy. Cruise ships will tend to stay away from the spill as white hulls do not look pretty with oil on them and many ports will treat an oil-fouled hull as a leaking vessel and fine the ship. The bottom kill may require a drilling ship.
6. The military will get involved at some point in the not-too-distant future.
7-8-9. Some variation of this will likely be done. I suspect that state DER's will earn their pay and may be augmented.
10. Someone needs to count up the BP bill. My bet is that the Administration has a plan and that many accountants will be working OT.
11. BP needs to pay and will. This is a big market for them and they cannot abandon it for a few billion dollars or even a few tens of billions. I expect a gas station name change for US markets at some point down the road if they can't recover their image. They will also be cleaning house in their drilling oversight group and suing the drillers and subcontractors. Like undertakers and casinos, the lawyers always win.
12. I believe that investigation will happen by public demand. If charges are not filed, voters will make their opinions known. Corner cutting eventually always costs more than doing the job right and Federal prison sentences tend to stunt career growth although, often, a useful trade is learned during incarceration.

reply to post by MolecularPhD

Do not miss understand me, I am not saying that this technique can not work in the current environment that this well is in but, I think before a high risk move like that is performed which could cause shell fracturing to occur, a few things need to happen first and foremost.

I don't know the geology of the entire Gulf Region, but I know that all of the Florida peninsula sits on a limestone aquifer. There is no bedrock for many thousands of feet if there is any at all.

There is also some barely understood geological activity in this region. There are minor Earthquakes a few times per year in the center of the Gulf of Mexico. Central GA, Central AL, and Central AR get earthquakes a few times per year, and there was a phenomenon in the panhandle of Florida known as the "Tallahassee Volcano" or the "Wakulla Volcano" that was never found or figured out. The supposed volcanic vent was suddenly closed in 1886 when a major Earthquake struck the Carolinas and was so powerful that it rang church bells in St. Augustine, drained Lake Jackson in Tallahassee, and the volcanic vent closed up and never returned!

I don't think a Nuke, 2 miles below the surface of the Sea is such a great idea in this area. If it were thick bedrock I might feel differently, but not in Limestone around misunderstood plate tectonics.

This is precisely why there should be no such thing as large corporations. They are tasked with one goal - profit. The CEO's bonuses encourage them to make a profit at any cost. The net result is chemicals in the environment, inferior and often dangerous products and death for consumers - all in the name of profit.

Those of you who work for large corporations are a part of the problem, not the solution. Everything "Corporate" MUST be foresaken if mankind is to survive and thrive. The corporate way of life is not life at all!

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I also think a nuke is too much of a wild card. The repercussions from a nuke could far outweigh the damage already done. There is no guarantee that such a device would not crack the caprock in many places and cause more leaks.

reply to post by pteridine


Finally we agree on something!!

Respectfully

MolecularPHD

reply to post by MolecularPhD

I thought that we also agreed on BP footing the bill for the entire spill and that new standards for drilling would be set.

reply to post by pteridine


I apologize; you are correct I agree on those points as well.

Respectfully

MolecularPHD

This is a good read!

When compared to another EPA approved dispersant, Nokomis 3-F4, Corexit 9500 is 38 times more toxic to Menindia fish and 17 times more toxic to Mysdopsis “fairy” shrimp.

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