What is the true nature of our moon

Question about the moon

The intention about this tread is to gather some POSITIVE and RESPECTFUL information from everyone about our Moon.
Please respect this request and the subject = What is the true nature of our moon, Natural or Artificial?

I have been thinking about the idea of earth being in quarantine because our leaders have made contact with E.T. that have given them
advance technologies but our leaders did not share this with everyone. (vimeo.com...)

Because our planet is in a delinquent sate ( War, Poverty, Greed, Lies,and Violence ect) the E.Ts prevents us from leaving earth Orbit
(hence the cancelation of the late Apollo mission) and Earth is in quarantine for all other civilizations security.

My question is this

Is our moon and artificial moon, a construct to observe us and our evolution to see if we are ready to evolve to the next civilization

here is some curious question and info,

I- Our moon's rotation rate is nearly equal to its orbital rate around the Earth. That's why we only see one side of the moon.

Q- Do all moons in our solar system rotate nearly equal to its orbital rate around there respective planet as to ONLY see on side of the moon?

Do you guys (and gals) have any info to add to this "conspiracy" that our moon might be an artificial one and that it is used to observe us?

Thank you for you're contribution

I think it's pretty well established that the moon is a big ol' rock, and that's all it is. Not constructed by anyone. What does it's orbital period have to do with anything anyway.
I think your post is just classic science fiction. There is no reason at all to believe any of that! SORRY!

reply to post by Moonguy

Q- Do all moons in our solar system rotate nearly equal to its orbital rate around there respective planet as to ONLY see on side of the moon?

You're describing what is commonly referred to as "tidal lock", and yes...it is quite common in the Solar System.

en.wikipedia.org...

And:

Tidal locking is the process by which two bodies in an orbital relationship will, over time, come to show the same face to one another. In other words, the period of rotation about the axis of the body will come to match the body's orbital period.

www.conservapedia.com...

Obviously, with the Earth/Moon system, the Earth's substantially greater mass means it hasn't slowed its rotation to the point, yet, of a full "tidal lock". The Moon's influence for the last ~5 billion years, or so, HAS caused our planet to slow its rotational velocity, however.

Earth/Moon is not stable. Conservation of angular momentum causes the Moon to 'rob' some energy from Earth, and widen its orbit gradually. Might continue, might stabilize in distant future, no one knows for certain.

There are lot's of anomalies regarding our moon.

It's the only moon we know of that has a "locked" orbit, meaning that one side is always facing it's parent planet.

It is also the largest moon we know of in comparison to it's parent planet.

It is also the exact size and distance to allow for perfect solar eclipses which is a really spectacular coincidence.

At least some parts of the moon are older than the earth. this is strange but possibly explained by the moon being formed by another object colliding with the Earth. I believe this is the commonly accepted theory, although it is not without its problems.

All of this is mainstream science. If we get into the more fringe stuff there are some very strange claims and anomalies and a search on this site will bring up loads of interesting stuff.

One very interesting thing I've read is that NASA put up little "thumpers" during the moon missions. by measuring the vibrations from these little "thumps" various information about the geological composition of the moon could be gathered.

Apparently what happened was that the moon vibrated for a very long time after the "thumps" which was completely inconsistent with any existing geological theories. Shorty after these "thumpers" were deactivated, allegedly due to budget issues.
This has lead to speculation about the moon being made of some artificial material.

There are also reports of the astronauts encountering a very hard layer a few feet under the lunar surface. A layer that was different from the rocky surface and impenetrable to the drills being used.


In my opinion there a plenty of reasons to be curious about the moon

Also the moon looks as big in the sky, as our sun does, the visible disk is the exact same size, even if its thousands of times smaler than the sun.

But i think the moon is natural^^

What amazes me about our moon is that we are the ONLY planet in our solar system with a full solar eclipse, the moon is 400 times less massive then our sun and also 400 times closer to earth, making for this awesome event to be possible. It does make you wonder if it's done on purpose.

The reasons for not returning to the moon (as far as us sheeple know) have hardly been discussed and most astronauts who've walked up there are in general quite convinced there is more out there then just us.

Created? Maybe
Towed in place by some advanced civilization for whatever reason? Maybe

Natural? Somehow i don't FEEL like it is, i don't know why but just the comparison in size to the earth's doesn't add up. It's the only moon that's face-locked with it's planet, actually the only other body that's locked to another is Mercury to the sun (in our solar system that is)

reply to post by MrVertigo


Wrong, and not because of ignorance on your part, but due to the ignorance of others who you've read, most likely.

It's the only moon we know of that has a "locked" orbit, meaning that one side is always facing it's parent planet.

Incorrect, and easily researched.

It is also the largest moon we know of in comparison to it's parent planet.

Well...THAT one is true, conditionally. Look at Pluto/Charon, though for comparisons. Anyway, since we do not have a great deal of experience with other planetary systems we can't yet call it 'unique'....

It is also the exact size and distance to allow for perfect solar eclipses which is a really spectacular coincidence.

No, NOT 'exact'. Not all solar eclipses result in totality, and in some cases the Moon's apparent diameter exceeds that of the Sun. Look it up.

At least some parts of the moon are older than the earth.

No, a misunderstanding, because of the nature of Earth, and its continued actvity, compared to a mostly "dead" Moon. However:

this is strange but possibly explained by the moon being formed by another object colliding with the Earth. I believe this is the commonly accepted theory, although it is not without its problems.

Based on the analysis of the Lunar samples from Apollo missions it IS the most likley, by a wide margin. It happened VERY early in the Solar System's formation.


Really, more research would be a good thing for some.

There are also reports of the astronauts encountering a very hard layer a few feet under the lunar surface. A layer that was different from the rocky surface and impenetrable to the drills being used.

This is no more surprising than encountering a layer of bedrock, when digging on Earth....the crust of any planetary body isn't expected to be perfectly homogenous.

reply to post by Romekje


Sigh....

...the moon is 400 times less massive then our sun ...

NO! Not even close!

Our star, the Sun, contains over 98% of ALL THE MASS in the entire Solar System.

The reasons for not returning to the moon (as far as us sheeple know) have hardly been discussed and most astronauts who've walked up there are in general quite convinced there is more out there then just us.

No. Going back with manned missions is bloody expensive!

Look, just yesterday in the news NASA was discussing their desire for MORE unmanned, robotic probes to Mars, ostensibly to search for fossilized remains of any ancient lifeforms that may have once thrived there. And to return the samples to Earth for study. They estimated to need about US$10 billion for such missions. They lamented that they just can't afford it!!

It's the only moon that's face-locked with it's planet...

More 'urban legend', see my posts above.

...actually the only other body that's locked to another is Mercury to the sun..

ibid.

reply to post by MrVertigo

The Moon is one of many which show only one face to its planet. All of the significant moons int the solar system are tidally locked. Both of Mars's moons are locked. Eight of Jupiter's moons. Fifteen of Saturn's. Five of Uranus. Two of Neptune. And Pluto and Charon are locked with each other.

The distance between the Earth and the Sun varies. The distance between the Moon and the Earth varies. As a result, some eclipses look like this:

And some look like this:


The oldest rocks found on the Moon are older than the oldest rocks found on Earth. This does not mean the Moon is older than the Earth, it means that the Earth's crust is continuously recycled through plate tectonics and the surface of the Moon is not.

The seismic data obtained during the Apollo missions showed that the interior structure of the Moon is different than originally thought. There was nothing "inconsistent" with this finding, we didn't really know what to expect. The "thumpers" used small explosive charges. When all the charges had been fired (by the astronauts), that was it. The seismograph on Apollo 11 sent data to Earth for three weeks after the landing. The seismographs left by the other missions lasted for years.

The Apollo astronauts were able to use the surface drill to its full depth and obtained core samples up to 3 meters deep.

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I think its interesting to note that the moon is exactly the right size and distance away from the sun that we have an eclipse the way we do. Think about it, In order for us to have an eclipse the moon had to be the same distance away from the sun as the sun is bigger then the moon.

Is This is a coincidence?

hoagland mentioned that when Nasa send vibrations through the moons crust it showed the moon to be hollow, but with something inside.....

People might reply suggesting the moon cannot be hollow because of Newtons law of inverse square, but i counter it is exactly that reason why it could be hollow, as who do we have informing us of the moons gravitational effects?

NASA, whom John Lear claim is the biggest gas giant in the solar system

reply to post by Gabearch


Please, I implore you....read through this thread. (If only you had done so before posting!)

NASA, whom John Lear claim is the biggest gas giant in the solar system

Well, except for syntax error ('NASA' is a group, a collective, so the proper pronoun would be "who") ... actually, I wouldn't put much stock in what tales John Lear has told. Speaking of gas giants.....

As a beginner to the scientific side of the universe I comend this thread.
The dark side of the Moon has it been landed upon?
There could be life underground on the moon (why not) if the lifeforms on the moon couldnt leave the moon they may have createda more pleasant experience/habitat beneath the surface?
Perhaps it is natural for other worlds inhabitants to live underground, an evolved protection agaainst the likes of meteors and radiation ect?
We only know what we are told, the moon could already have a base via biospheres like they have on the Earth.
The ISS may be just a launchhing pad for materials going to the base.
But the moon looks natural on the surface.

reply to post by Dr Conspire


I'll attempt, point-by-point for you:

The dark side of the Moon has it been landed upon?

"Dark" side of the Moon is a misnomer from way back...only basis in actual fact with that phrase is the album by Pink Floyd that bears that name.

Moon rotates about its axis, just as Earth does...only slower. Each Lunar 'day' lasts about 14 Earth days...same with the Lunar 'night'.

And no, no manned missions have landed on the far side. See, it would present a technical difficulty, compared to the Apollo landings, with communications. Was deemed too risky, forty years ago. Of course, a relay satellite, or orbiting spacecraft could act as communications relay to Mission Control.

More autonomous authority will be required, someday, if we endeavor to land on any OTHER bodies in the Solar System, since conversational two-way radio communication is not feasible, given the distances.

There could be life underground on the moon (why not) if the lifeforms on the moon couldnt leave the moon they may have createda more pleasant experience/habitat beneath the surface?

Marvelous idea for a fantasy story...but hardly scientifically based. Your question implies so sort of intelligence? Not very likely...

We only know what we are told, the moon could already have a base via biospheres like they have on the Earth.

See above, regarding the "intelligent life" aspect...or, should I say 'indigenous' intelligence?

Who's 'they'? Oh, you mean those tests in Arizona?

AND, the far side has been photographed from orbit, and observed by at least...let me count...27 pairs of human eyes (Apollo 8, three crew, once around. Apollo 10, 11, 12...and yes, even 13, for it performed a Lunar Orbit return trajectory, rather than a straight return...then, of course, Apollo 14, 15, 16 and 17.

The ISS may be just a launchhing pad for materials going to the base.

?? Nope. I'd suggest a little educational material, check into the science of orbital mechanics for a start. The types of propulsion needed to escape Earth orbit, the types of equipment necessary, and so on.

Besides, ANY spacecraft commuting between Earth and Moon would be easily seen by the thousands of amateur astronomers in the World....




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I have no science to add about the moon but I have long had the feeling that it is like a stillborn child. I feel it came from the earth long ago and without it we might not have life at all (sentient, land-based life anyway) due to the influence of tides on the evolution of amphibious animals.

Thanks for the replies weedwhacker ,it is interesting how we never get to see the far side of the moon though, perhaps the secret moon bases are there after all, and Iam referring to Earth created bases.
Away from prying amateur astronauts?
But I take the gist of your answers, you may indeed be correct.

Thanks for the replies weedwhacker ,it is interesting how we never get to see the far side of the moon though, perhaps the secret moon bases are there after all, and Iam referring to Earth created bases.
Away from prying amateur astronauts?
But I take the gist of your answers, you may indeed be correct.

The most entertaining explanation I've seen for how the moon came to be comes from a fringe website called BroJon.

A very brief summary:
Before the moon was formed, the earth was not tilted, and therefor did not experience seasonal changes. All the land mass existed as a ring around the equator. The rotation of the earth was quite a bit faster than today, which caused gravity to be very low around the equator. As the rotational speed increased, it eventually decreased gravity to the point that the land around the equator separated and was released in to the space to form the moon.

He offers some calculations that I'm not able to verify as proof.

What really killed the dinosaurs? - www.brojon.org