Divide and conquer; Illegal Aliens GO HOME; Legal aliens SHUT UP

reply to post by Wolf321


Yes that's why we need to wake up a lot of ppl first then do it collectively and tell da govt to come and try to jail all of us. I realize that just poor old me can't stick it to them that's why I keep my garden out of their view

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Good point. I have to admit, I smoke marijuana and I am no criminal!
I don't do drugs to harm myself, I simply smoke weed lol.

I remember a post a while back where some guy typed about the difference in laws in the 60's and today in 2010 and how it changed freedom people seem to be missing.

Also, we have no rights, we have privaleges.

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im sure 75% of atsers smoke it i know i do. but not like i used to. just recreationally but i think this topic is prohibited on ats.

This is some crazy stuff. Everyones got the right to their own opinion but some of those opinions are based on fear and hate. Itll get u nowhere. It is what it is and it wont change so u need to change in order to work with what we have. U can sit and bitch and moan all day long and it wont do a bit of good.
I will absolutely say that Id jump that fence too if I were them. I'm wondering how many ppl have seen the worst of Mexico, not on tv, but in real life. They live in utter poverty. They arent poor, theyre impoverished. Even Our homeless can get lucky and grab a bed in a shelter sometime, go to a soup kitchen. I'd think that my child has the right to be healthy, fed, and educated just as much as urs. I'd think that by dumb luck or by the grace of god u just happened to be born in the US. I think there should be some sort of system in place, that I dont know, wish I did.
I've watched ppl around me act hateful to hispanics in general, cuz if ur hispanic u must be illegal, right?? I've said it so many times it's almost ridiculous. There is not one person on the face of this entire planet that I cant learn something from. One cannot experience everything this world has to offer so sometimes u have to experience it thru others. Again, ur limiting urselves. Ur doing exactly what they expect u to do.
See it as an opportunity to expand ur knowledge, ur life experiences and maybe gain dear friends. I break that ice, that uncomfortable barrier between us. It's as simple as picking up a pc of fruit and asking 'Como se dice en Espanol?' It's just takes a little bit of effort. They are here, like it or not. Why do u feel they need to learn english to be here, and wheres it gotten u?? We can meet 1/2 way. Whats the worst that can happen, You'll become bi-lingual? It's a tall order....right??

Embrace diversity, it's good for the soul.

reply to post by RRokkyy


cmon! we wanna hear ur opinion on this!

reply to post by Demetre


thank you, you're such a good soul. im actually trilengual. i speak spanish russian and english and i agree w/ u. we're not all blessed to be born in america, some of us have it real bad. get born in russia see if you can get here legally. these ppl talk like its so easy. it takes 10's of stacks to get here legally, average $30k per person. i know it might sound like a brand new car here in america, back in russia it sounds like a freakin mansion! and a brand new car.

also love and admire ur signature. very admirable and true

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reply to post by ponyboyats


Lol thank you for informing me. Good thing I didn't make a post/thread about it or something I'm not to sure about would happen to my 'wasted' time.

reply to post by uglybattle


lol. puff puff pass bro. i wish everyone did. world would be way more peaceful.

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Originally posted by ponyboyats
we're not all blessed to be born in america, some of us have it real bad. get born in russia see if you can get here legally. these ppl talk like its so easy.

So because it is hard, it should be done illegally?

That is not the American way. I understand their motivation, but illegal entry, staying past your legal visa, to abuse the system, and/or to dilute the local culture and replace it with another cannot be accepted.

If you are born in a system where you cannot get out of it, you can either accept that, or try to change it. The founders of our nation knew that it was a cause worth dying for.

Originally posted by Wolf321
So because it is hard, it should be done illegally?

That is not the American way. I understand their motivation, but illegal entry, staying past your legal visa, to abuse the system, and/or to dilute the local culture and replace it with another cannot be accepted.

The reasoning is that if they make it hard to do it legally and easy to do it illegaly then that must be what they want.

May not be the American way but it is the way they set it up.

Originally posted by daskakik
then that must be what they want.

May not be the American way but it is the way they set it up.

Just because TPTB want it that way and have set it up as such, again, does not mean that we should or can accept it; nor does it make any aspect of it 'right.'

We the people are being assaulted and manipulated on ALL fronts. It is overwhelming, the information that has to be gathered and processed, as well as the effort that is needed to confront each enemy, all while struggling to maintain a decent quality of life, raise your kids well, and keep your sanity.

Still, we must not give up.

reply to post by Wolf321


i admire your passion. maybe if more ppl in america would have the passion u have it would be a better country, unfortunately for you, you're outnumbered by dumbed down society that just doesnt give a jack. i agree with what you're saying on a certain level, however i wish the world was not so complex. i wish we could all just "get along" but thats a pipe dream right? every time i start thinking deeply about how to fix this problem the world has, i just realize there's no solution achievable by a small group of ppl such as myself and yourself, and the majority just doesnt care or are too distracted. the world is like a big ass stinky corrupted onion with many many layers.


and then i give up. i say to myself and i have this dream to just get away. go to mexico or somewhere secluded and make my own self sustainable community away from this madness where noone would bother me. that's my dream in life, and i'll do anything in my power to achieve just that. i wish i was never dragged from my home country into this hell. at least there my dream is more achievable. some ppl just call it normal life there.

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reply to post by Wolf321


I meant that this is the way the immigrant sees it.

You have every right to have the government serve you the best it can but we know that that is not the way things have been going for some time now.

Hope you get the numbers behind the idea to get something done.

reply to post by Wolf321


btw, u said if i have any suggestions, and i gave u some. now you say you won't take it and u will not give up?

any suggestions on how to go about this mess? plz dont say voting

reply to post by ponyboyats


I agree with your post... We need to stop talking about it start taking action!! Its time the citizens of the united states take back our country and end the corrupt ways of this government.... Before it to late... so to ATS members... its time to organize by the masses elect a leader a co-leader and our own counsel and revoult!! Lets get this show on the road shall we? Even Thomas Jefferson said, "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance" And "A Government that people fear is a government with tyranny, And a government that fears its people is a government with liberty" Its been well over 20 years who is with me?!

reply to post by StarrGazer25


im w/ u bro. lets all take the money out the banks tomoro. that will be a good first step. i have like $150 in my account

they probably lending someone $15000 off that.

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Seriously though, How can we be proud americans when our government has made us look like complete arrogant,ignorant, hypocrites? We attack countries on suspicoin of "Weapons of mass destruction" yet we have the most nuclear weapons? How would we feel if a country invaded us??? What is the rest of the world not allowed to be we are? That dont make sense...and on top of that, they lied about the whole damn scenario? This government has lied about so much for so long!! Its not going to stop untill its Us V. Them!!

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the day will come when ppl get pissed off. im just afraid the movement is gonna be hijacked by them again.

Originally posted by ponyboyats
any suggestions on how to go about this mess? plz dont say voting

Well, I agree that we still have to try and play by the systems rules through voting and letters to congress etc, despite the likely ineffectiveness of those efforts.

The things I mentioned earlier...

It means combating the encroachment of illegals and the cultures they bring, from taking away local culture. It means taking note of businesses who facilitate illegal employment, non-english, and not patronizing those establishments, and letting them know why. If it gets really bad, good, hardcore patriots need to run for office. Even if it means they will most certainly lose, it if takes enough votes away from those who will do nothing, it might help.

still apply.

To really get down to effective measures though, you have to define the parameter, in this case, 'who are the enemy?'

I would say they are as follows:
1. A growing, regulator, overspending government.
2. Corporate control/Lobbiest
3. NWO groups (Bilderbergs, Trilateral commission, Council on Foreign Relations, SPP)
4. Illegal aliens
5. Legal racial or cultural separatist (i.e. La Raza, KKK, Black Panthers)
6. Anti-freedom/anti-self-governing political parties (socialist, communist)
7. Societal Cancers (Political Correctness, Multi-culturalism, anti-heroism, deviant behavior glorification)
8. Historical revisionist

Now, I don't have all the answers on how to combat each of these, only ideas that might help.

1. If we cannot affect them by voting, letters, and offering political opponents, then we can only stop feeding the beast via not paying taxes and not obeying their overreaching rules. This is extremely hard to do on an individual level, an always dangerous. It requires self-sustainability, the ability to defend yourself, and your property. It must be done in large enough incidents to show a collective opposition and not just one or two 'fringe nut-jobs.'

2. We have to stay informed as to what corporations are writing and pushing legislation, what its for and who it affects. Be away of corporate labor practices both here and abroad. Decide if those actions and practices are moral or ethical and be willing to financially hurt those companies that are intentionally trying to manipulate and take advantage through the government and locally.

3. These groups depend on their secrecy. We can only try to obtain their agenda, and track their members, so that every effort to resist their agenda can be made.

4. Find them. Deport them. Secure the border. If they are in your areas, and businesses are making it easier for them by providing multiple languages and products, inform the business and stop patronizing them. Make them feel unwelcome. If they congregate in areas, such as day laborers, at a distance that is safe but showing your presence, photograph them, call ICE, or at least appear to be reporting them. If you see someone in a restaurant or on a job site, ask the manager/owner if all their employees are legal. They will most likely say yes, but if enough people ask, they might feel uncomfortable in hiring any.

5, 6. Constantly engage in debate with them. Expose them. Write your local papers about these groups in your area.

7. Do not participate in these. Don't associate with people who do. Don't let your children participate or associate with children who do.

8. Expose them, don't let your children be taught by them, counter there accusations always.

If I think of anymore I will add later, but that's all that came to mind just now.

edit to add: I think this is all that we can do, shy of armed conflict amongst ourselves and those in political office. (added #8)


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