Modern Woman

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
It is not ENTIRELY his problem. See, women usually never admit to their role in things. They never admit their problems.

Well yeah it is. I do not have to worry about his raging erection because it's not my problem and I'm not responsible for "solving" that little problem.

Likewise if there was a man I wanted to sleep with who didnt want to sleep with me that would be my problem not his.

I guess.

But what would you say a guy, who's a good man, who could never get laid or get a girlfriend for "petty" reasons, yet he was good looking and smart.

I know, maybe extreme, but extremes do exist a lot of times. Sometimes you're very absolute riley, but what you have said is not always the case.

[edit on 8-6-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
It is truly disgusting how in our culture the relationship between men and women is so sadomasochistic.

It won't end until not only men stop being controlling to women, but women stop going along with it. You can't totally blame men.

Donnie Darko,

Be very careful what you think is control. Control is not only a masculine trait..it can be very very feminine as well. Women are very capable of control in the most subtle ways. Ways in which a man is ignorant enough to think it is his idea. He hasn't often a clue it is going on.
I do not buy this nonsenses about men being in control.

As I have stated before in many posts..you cannot have a merchandising base in most stores where there is a disparity of goods at about a 7 to 1 rate of goods dedicated and marketed towards women/females ..and not men. This is very telling that men do not control much..even the monies spent out here.
All this stuff about women making less monies than men is rubbish. The key is who controls the bulk of the spending in any nation on big ticket items.

And Donnie...whoever controls the spending of the monies is also the political power in the nation. Not who earns the monies..but who has control over how it is spent. Understand now what is happening in politics??
And politics pays for and finances public education.
For politics is economics!!

Do you notice how many of these programs on purchasing a home, or refurbishing a home....do you notice how all the women wear burkas and are totally silent. They have no power or decision making ability on what goes into these houses. Correct??? They are all unheard...unseen "Victims." Or is it the man who says very little...in lieu of the woman??

Someone out here knows that it is the female who determines the nature and spending on big ticket items in economically affluent nations. Therefore it is the female to whom the social structure must be catered to in order to control more of the spending. This is not equality..nor rights...it is consumption levels..it is slick marketing.
And they are marketing the females in lieu of the males...and at much younger ages than in times past.
No one wants to speak about who takes the bulk of the RISKS in order to keep these economically affluent nations going. The RISK takers and makers are slated to take second, third, and fourth place while taking first place RISKS for the social structure.
This is what many are detecting is happening. Manufacturers, Marketers and advertisers do not care as long as they can sell their stuff. For they know who determines how the monies are spent. And they are not about to educate you and me on this truth while promoting wage disparity between the sexes.

Only a man/male can be this naturally stupid..because the women and feminine politicians are not.

The Manufacturers, Marketers and advertisers get the politicians/public education to work for their causes...even if they must sell the very souls of the people to do this and in particular the next generations. And they have done this very thing.

So many males out here have only a sex/sports mindset. This is just more conditioning to run touchdowns for a system which will put them last while taking their first fruits...including their families from them while they are taking RISK to keep such a sick, corrupt, system going and selling the very souls of their families while they are working/risking.

Nonetheless...Donnie...be very careful what you think is control and power. It is not what you think.

Oh..by the way Donnie...at a 7 to 1 disparity of goods and services directed towards women and not men..this cannot possibly be a patriarcial society. You dont have to be a genius to see, know or understand this concept. This alone makes a mockery of male social control over women/females.

Thanks,
Orangetom




[edit on 9-6-2010 by orangetom1999]

so true orangetom, so true.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
I guess.

But what would you say a guy, who's a good man, who could never get laid or get a girlfriend for "petty" reasons, yet he was good looking and smart.

What are "petty" reasons and what difference would it make it they are petty reasons?

People have got a right to be as petty as they want when it comes to choosing who they are willing to have sex with.

I know, maybe extreme, but extremes do exist a lot of times. Sometimes you're very absolute riley, but what you have said is not always the case.

How so? Nothing you have said justifies blaming women for an inability to get layed.

I dont want to argue with you. You're always going to be right (or at least think you are). You know what, we are both right.

What women do, and the power they hold is so abstract that people don't even realize or recognize the power they hold. So blame it ALL on men.

As I said before, men have physical strength but women don't have just the capacity for physical strength, they are way beyond physical strength. It is encouraged, on the other hand for a man that is usually discouraged.

Thus a guy, who in this society cannot even admit to his own problems, or even do something as controversial as being asexual, is unmanly and unfit for recognition just because, a male's sexual, social or other problems are never ever recognized and are downplayed or denied. And a woman will always have more right than men, and will end up screwing men over.

Women don't know what they do. It is messed up what men have done in the past, but NOT ALL MEN have done this or are the same way, and many men were also oppressed. And women do have to realize that they play a part too.

When a woman is against a male, in the courts she almost always wins just by virtue of being female. Or in any court because she knows how to manipulate and she has ungodly powers.

Women should try and stop being the victim and see how she has a role to play in many affairs these days. Team up with the good guys, maybe then they'll see.

but this has to stop. the whole gender conflict and sexual conflicts have to stop. it kills us and our societal structures like nothing else.

And in today's society, like I read in another article... women are being more and more encouraged to be like men, and do the same things men do. But what about being more like a woman?

[edit on 9-6-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

In today's modern media, with slutty celebs as role models, young girls are starting to associate success with promiscuity.

The overpowering lesson teen girls are now learning is that being sexy is the ultimate accomplishment, trumping intelligence, character and all other virtues.

Girls are being led to believe they're in control when it comes to sexual relationships but they're actually living in an incredibly anti-feminist society where girls compete for attention on the basis of how many sexual favors they will do for the boys and how sexy and slutty they can dress.

reply to post by State of Mind


Promiscuity, unfaithfulness infidelity and the like just breaks a man's heart like nothing else. It makes him deranged, and tears him apart. It makes him crazy. It destroys his mind and his heart.. and usually he can't do much about it but to become treat women like objects and take the sacredness and naturalness of sex out of the picture. The powers that be knows this. It leads to the internal destruction of society.

There are a lot of men these days that are misogynist. Just look at the majority of hip hop culture and their degradation of women. Why do you think? Well a majority of the rappers grew up in some ghetto, or in some unfair capitalist society that's for sure. Do you think they were born this way? To refer to all women as Tricks and hoes, b1tches, etc? To compete like animals do. To be like animals. But women do have the power to with hold emotional, sexual, social etc support of any evil man. Does it happen? Most likely not, and more often it happens to good men in favor of evil men. Other males encourage it too.

So for real, let's stop being so one-sided.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
I dont want to argue with you. You're always going to be right (or at least think you are). You know what, we are both right.

Sorry but I will NEVER agree that my not wanting to have sex with someone means I am being unfair to them. You seem to think sex is something you are entitled to.

What women do, and the power they hold is so abstract that people don't even realize or recognize the power they hold. So blame it ALL on men.

If a man gets an erection because he find me attrracive that is not somehow me trying to overpower him. How am I to blame for his biology? I do not think men are at the mercy of their own sexual impluses or at the mercy of a glimpse of a woman's cleavage. I give most of them more credit than that.

Thus a guy, who in this society cannot even admit to his own problems, or even do something as controversial as being asexual, is unmanly and unfit for recognition just because, a male's sexual, social or other problems are never ever recognized and are downplayed or denied. And a woman will always have more right than men, and will end up screwing men over.

I see nothing wrong with men or women being asexual and men are quite capable of "screwing women over" as women are. I find your continued insistence that women are inherently more callous than men very offensive.

When a woman is against a male, in the courts she almost always wins just by virtue of being female. Or in any court because she knows how to manipulate and she has ungodly powers.

Nice try but only 10% of reported rape cases end in conviction. If you are talking about family courts that is a seperate issue please specificy what the hell you are on about as you seem to be just ranting and making stuff up to justify ranting some more. I see no reason why I should be saddled with your own complexes about women. We are not how you choose to see us.

Women should try and stop being the victim and seeing how she has a role to play in many affairs these days. Team up with the good guys, maybe then they'll see.

So you think women should stop playing the victim? Glass houses.. I suggest you read your own posts. :shk:]

btw. you missed a question:

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
I guess.

But what would you say a guy, who's a good man, who could never get laid or get a girlfriend for "petty" reasons, yet he was good looking and smart.

What are "petty" reasons and what difference would it make it they are petty reasons?

I'd honestly like to know what you think are "petty reasons" for rejecting a man sexually. Personally I do not think women owe men ANY reasons for rejecting them sexually.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by riley]

Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
I dont want to argue with you. You're always going to be right (or at least think you are). You know what, we are both right.

Sorry but I will NEVER agree that my not wanting to have sex with someone means I am being unfair to them. You seem to think sex is something you are entitled to.

What women do, and the power they hold is so abstract that people don't even realize or recognize the power they hold. So blame it ALL on men.

If a man gets an erection because he find me attrracive that is not somehow me trying to overpower him.

How am I to blame for his biology? I do not think men are at the mercy of their own sexual impluses or at the mercy of a glimpse of a woman's cleavage. I give most of them more credit than that.

You deny the power of sexuality, or the implications and consequences of unfulfilled sexuality that can cause a host of diseases physical, social, mental, spiritual, moral or otherwise. And I'm not speaking of the mere act of sexual intercourse. When I speak of sex it includes not just the act of sexual intercourse but everything gender related.

You can make a decent man turn sick by pretty much keeping him away from any chance to mate the rest of his life.

Any woman too.. but for them it's not denied.

In a sense it really is the responsibility of the society to keep the peace as a whole for the individuals. Isn't this what government and socioeconomic system is supposed to do? Keep the balance? Make justice?

But what women do literally kill innocent men off.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

reply to post by The Quiet Storm


I'm not being one-sided. This thread is simply about women, therefore I discussed the repercussions of society's actions on women. There isn't a single doubt in my mind that modern society isn't negatively affecting young men either. And I am not blaming men for these problems.

If you want to start a thread discussing the effects of society on young men today, by all means. I'm sure it would be quite interesting and I would love to contribute. But by no means was my post one-sided.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
You deny the power of sexuality, or the implications and consequences of unfulfilled sexuality that can cause a host of diseases physical, social or otherwise.

The only thing I deny is your idea that women should be held accountable for a man being horny. If he is feeling "unfulfilled" he can either masturbate, go to the gym, have a cold shower of see a prostitute.

Do you really think it would be helpful to society for women to "put out" to men they do not even like because he is being unfulfilled? Would that be more fair than women saying no? So your answers to physcial diseases is for women to have more sex with men they may not even like? To risk stds and pregnancy all because he wants to be gratified? Yep that sounds fair.

reply to post by State of Mind


Well, to talk about women... is really impossible. They do no wrong.

reply to post by riley


haha. I'm not saying you go and putout for men you don't like.

besides... men usually put out for women regardless of who she is way more than a woman puts out for a decent man.

It's not a matter of going to the gym, seeing a prostitute, or any of that. That's doesn't solve anything.

Women's nature should be held accountable for making a man horny, as well as a man's nature.

Again it's not about even gratification. It's about biological necessity, and even sanity, and health.

But it's not even like people mate for the right reasons either. People ACTUALLY don't mate for the reasons they should: ie for better traits, or offspring. They mate for purely superficial and materialistic things. ie what the media tells them as well.. whatever is considered "sexy" but not even what's good and real. So of course.. if you're "not attracted" you aren't interested. But what of the truly good and decent men who actually are attractive too yet get nothing... even with the so called "less desirables". Again you usually don't hear about this happening with women. Maybe the older ones... but do you think that is fair?

I'm sorry riley. I really am.

When it comes down to it. There are always men who will Die and suffer insurmountable pain for you.

Most men, aren't even trying to hurt women. They want to protect and help. They want to give themselves to her. Yea to deny them their own biological gender is pretty messed up too. To deny this is to deny their own humanity and therefore all that they are. It's hardwired... I thought women had some of their own hard wiring too... but they have a right and men don't?

[edit on 9-6-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

I am treating your edit as a seperate post:

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
And I'm not speaking of the mere act of sexual intercourse. When I speak of sex it includes not just the act of sexual intercourse but everything gender related.

You can make a decent man turn sick by pretty much keeping him away from any chance to mate the rest of his life.

So you are holding women you've never even met responsible for your not having a chance to mate for the rest of your life?

Any woman too.. but for them it's not denied.

I know plenty of women who have not had the chance to mate and have children. Life is lie that but I don't think all men are responsible.

In a sense it really is the responsibility of the society to keep the peace as a whole for the individuals. Isn't this what government and socioeconomic system is supposed to do? Keep the balance? Make justice?

But what women do literally kill innocent men off.

Back that up or don't say it. I haven't killed any men and just becase I am attractive doesn't mean I should feel responsible for their own self distruction.

Originally posted by riley

In a sense it really is the responsibility of the society to keep the peace as a whole for the individuals. Isn't this what government and socioeconomic system is supposed to do? Keep the balance? Make justice?

But what women do literally kill innocent men off.

Back that up or don't say it. I haven't killed any men and just becase I am attractive doesn't mean I should feel responsible for their own self distruction.

Well, you're never going to see my point regardless of what I say.

It is like genocide. It's called sexual selection. There's intrasexual selection and intersexual selection. Even social darwinism.

What women say or do goes, no matter what they say.

Women were worshipped in the ancient days you know? And feared.

I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.

This might never go anywhere. I must leave too.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by The Quiet Storm]

reply to post by The Quiet Storm


I'm a woman. And I do a lot of stuff wrong. Don't try to pigeon-hole women as acting like we are "holier-than-thou" victims. Women are responsible for half of society's problems.

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
reply to post by riley

 

haha. I'm not saying you go and putout for men you don't like.

Actually reading your posts thats exactly what you have been suggesting women do.

besides... men usually put out for women regardless of who she is way more than a woman puts out for a decent man.

As I said before men can have an unlimited amount of offspring biologically so they can afford to be less discriminatory when it comes to sex. Some men would be very choosy.

It's not a matter of going to the gym, seeing a prostitute, or any of that. That's doesn't solve anything.

For some men it does.. then again most men are not at the mercy of their erections.

Women's nature should be held accountable for making a man horny, as well as a man's nature.

You condone sexual coersion.

If a man tried to make me accountable for his being horny and I am unwilling he would get a very violent response. "Oh no how unfair" but that is my "nature".

Again it's not about even gratification. It's about biological necessity, and even sanity, and health.

Why should women be held responsible for that? Women have periods to prepare for possible fertilization by a man but I do not expect all mankind to pay for my tampons while saying "but my biology is unfair!".

Manup and own your own life.

reply to post by State of Mind


ok. well atleast you know what I'm talking about.

A Quiet Storm
"You can make a decent man turn sick by pretty much keeping him away from any chance to mate the rest of his life"

Dude, I gotta say, that anyone, literally anyone, can find someone to have sex with. Jesus, just go to walmart and check out all of the hideous couples. I think what you are trying to say is You can make a decent man turn sick by pretty much keeping him away from any chance to mate [with a hot chick] the rest of his life." Any guy can find a girlfriend if he wants one bad enough, it seems like some guys just get bitter when a "hot" girl doesnt fall into their lap, when in reality they only merit an "ugly" girl. Lol. Ya gotta lower your quality to raise your quantity.