Modern Woman

reply to post by FeatheredSerpent

I edited my post because i didnt want to argue.

I'm sorry, this isn't true. The final response was still arguing. In fact it was taking one word I used and yanking it out context and holding it up to an extreme example that had nothing to do with my argument. Not only arguing, but irrational. You edited the post because the original response was too reactionary and inflammatory, not because you didn't want to argue.

I think you misunderstand what im saying,maybe ive worded it wrong but some people seem to know were im coming from.

Well that could be. But you still haven't said anything to convince me otherwise. You rather talk out of both sides of your mouth.

My post was (again) originally directed mostly at anonymousproxy who seemed to be asserting that all women who dress provacatively (subjective), and who are sexually expressive are somehow teaching children to become 'bad' people, and further implied that it was somehow causing the degredation of society (as the example) to the point that an eight year old child is raped. I feel that such a connection is irrational, absurd, and socially dangerous to make. You certainly seem to be making an effort to support that post.

Um.....i wasnt asking for your post to be removed i was asking for my own to be.................presumption the mother of all screwups

I apologize if there was an assumption. However, why couldn't you just edit and delete the text? I s'pose that can look messy on the thread, but it seems odd. I must admit I am a bit skeptical that my presumption was incorrect. But it is entirely possible.

To be fair i should add that if my views come across like that im sorry thats unintentional,im not sure how you came to that conclusion?

Because you defended a post that was making that assertion, that is part of how I came to that conclusion. The other part is in your own answers.

For example: I argued that a woman should not be seen with contempt simply because she is willing to 'honor' her body and sexuality. You then brought up a woman with five children by five different fathers as a counter. The progression you seemed to be outlining is that a woman that accepts and manifests her sexuality, or, 'honors' it... Is going to also manifest such irresponsible behavior. There is no connection between the two. The fact that you would not only make that connection but use it as an counter-argument rather supports that you hold the view that a woman that acts or dresses that way is going to manifest a whole plethera of irresponsible (and then some) behavior.

On one hand you say 'Judging a woman that way is wrong, and that isn't what I'm saying', and on the other (as above) you say exactly that. Mixed message.

i dont think what your implying im saying is what i am saying.

Maybe not. But like I said, you seem to say both as it suits you.

Only part that made sense was the values you would teach your daughter,the rest was way off the mark.

The values I teach my daughter are supported by what I wrote in the first post. I think perhaps you misunderstand me as well.



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Fair enough think what you wish.I did edit my post as not to argue thankyou,please stop putting words in my mouth,you misunderstood what i was saying but went ahead with your tirade anyway,your words say more about yourself than me.

Edit ~i never said all woman/females,i said majority,feels like your twisting what im saying here.

Edit~so your saying that most females who walk around with there cleavage showing and skirts showing there knickers are not of a particular type?and this just females being sexy?and are you also saying that young girls do not imitate there mums?there behaviour?

Regards to all

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It is truly disgusting how in our culture the relationship between men and women is so sadomasochistic.

It won't end until not only men stop being controlling to women, but women stop going along with it. You can't totally blame men.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
It is truly disgusting how in our culture the relationship between men and women is so sadomasochistic.

It won't end until not only men stop being controlling to women, but women stop going along with it. You can't totally blame men.

I dont,i think we pushed them down this road.


Regards to all

The reason I do not support the feminist movement is because they are not about gaining respect for women (anymore), they are about erasing the differences between men and women entirely.

Feminists see men as wicked and perverted, and they would like women to be the same because they believe this is the only way women can be "equal" to men.

Girls of my generation, deep down I think, are no different than those of any, but most of them I know swear like sailors, kiss other girls, have dirty minds and act sexually promiscuous. Some of them are even physically violent.

I blame "role models" like Kesha and Miley Cyrus for this sick, perverted form of "feminism".

Now with all that said, I also think male chauvinism is the most ignorant silly crap ever, so don't think I'm a male bigot in disguise.

[edit on 13-5-2010 by Donnie Darko]

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
The reason I do not support the feminist movement is because they are not about gaining respect for women (anymore), they are about erasing the differences between men and women entirely.

Feminists see men as wicked and perverted, and they would like women to be the same because they believe this is the only way women can be "equal" to men.

Girls of my generation, deep down I think, are no different than those of any, but most of them I know swear like sailors, kiss other girls, have dirty minds and act sexually promiscuous. Some of them are even physically violent.

I blame "role models" like Kesha and Miley Cyrus for this sick, perverted form of "feminism".

Now with all that said, I also think male chauvinism is the most ignorant silly crap ever, so don't think I'm a male bigot in disguise.

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This i have seen first hand ~

Feminists see men as wicked and perverted, and they would like women to be the same because they believe this is the only way women can be "equal" to men.

Although change "Feminists" to mother inlaw,she sees men in this way and openly say it,her husband cheated on her so she see's it as away to get back at men,seeing 2-3 men at a time and using them for money.

Regards to all

alot of women chose abusive men because they have such low self estemes thats what they believe they deserve.

women for some reason have this double edged sword they cant sweep with men but they are fridgid if they dont.
why canwomen chose how many sexual partner as they want with out labels.
a woman who sleeps with 5 men is a whore but a man who sleeps with 100 women is a hero.

i dont agree that women should have differnt children with different men thats just irresponsible, just because if you get pregnant you could also catch an std ,but it should be the same for men.
there are many men who sleep around and have children everywhere, just watch jeremy kyle (if you are in the uk) that show is an advert to me of irresponsibility.
enjoy sex but do it responsibly.

i think women are also their worst critic.
i never really hear guys going on about a womans past or her looks but women are aweful.
i hate being in a room with a bunch of women i must admit they just bitch and moan about the women who arent there.

i also hate this attitude women have lost there roles and need to get back to family values.
being a traditional wife to me is just a form of slavery.
just red some of those traditional 1950s manuals and see what a womans role was.
id rather be single
women are programmed to be submissive they are ment to do and not be heard.

I dont believe in having tons of sexual partners either, male or female.

It's just those greedy men that want this.

I am male btw.

I dont think the "guys can have many sexual partners but women are deemed whores" argument is really applicable to women in America anymore.

Women in America can have a lot of sexual partners and they get along just fine.. just as long as those sexual partners are "badboys."

Besides, the media tells them it's ok, the feminist movement tells them it's ok, if not preffered and of course there will always be the woman who says "why can guys do it but not women" which also justifies it being ok for women.

In fact in college campuses everywhere in America relationships are a thing of the past. Now it's all about short term dating, or promiscuity, or 80 percent of the women being passed around by the badboys or 20 percent of the men...

But even then... in the end the good guys end up suffering. Whores aren't whores for the good guys. They only give it up to the "badboys". The good men don't get jack, not even from whores. Not from good women, not from any women. If they do,it's because they somehow acted a little bit bad, were deviant, etc.

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Interesting topic.

I ride my bike to work quite often and there is a lot of bike traffic headed for the local junior high school (Grades 7-9) headed in the opposite direction.

I have to comment, that I am pretty shocked by some of the clothing that the girls are wearing. I refer to them as micro sluts.

For awhile as the recession got worse, I thought that the clothing was becoming a little more conservative. But I don't think so.

We have girls that dress like hookers biking to school. It's a wonder that the boys can pay any attention at all in school.

What on earth are the parents thinking when their daughters head out the door dressed with plunging necklines and skirts so short they don't really cover much?

Originally posted by Wildbob77
Interesting topic.

I ride my bike to work quite often and there is a lot of bike traffic headed for the local junior high school (Grades 7-9) headed in the opposite direction.

I have to comment, that I am pretty shocked by some of the clothing that the girls are wearing. I refer to them as micro sluts.

For awhile as the recession got worse, I thought that the clothing was becoming a little more conservative. But I don't think so.

We have girls that dress like hookers biking to school. It's a wonder that the boys can pay any attention at all in school.

What on earth are the parents thinking when their daughters head out the door dressed with plunging necklines and skirts so short they don't really cover much?

yea and tight pants you can see her crotch. might as well be naked.

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and you can always see testicles protuding if you look down at a man's crotch so whats up with the double standard? Why is a man showing off his bulge more acceptable?

HAHAHAHA typical scots.
buckfast and cheap fegs.
actually we're not much better off here in belfast

reply to post by riley


Well I don't think it's like women. Women intentionally make their clothes skin tight and revealing, to be revealing and to cause lust and deviance. Guys usually don't, only perhaps nowadays it's been more common. Still though, not all guys wear tight clothes.

ALL women's clothes are usually much more revealing than a guy's, unless she's married but even so even married women do this because they believe that it's just what women wear.

But we're always getting sh*t if we look even if we can't control it right? Unless we're some badboy who can do it confidently and without remorse. So what, we have to just expect it to be normal for women to reveal themselves in such a way? it's not the same as just being naked. If we were all naked it's not the same, women would not be not doing it to intentionally expose/exploit or sexually reveal themselves.

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Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
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Well I don't think it's like women. Women intentionally make their clothes skin tight and revealing, to be revealing and to cause lust and deviance. Guys usually don't, only perhaps nowadays it's been more common. Still though, not all guys wear tight clothes.

Men sticking socks down their pants to give thew appearence of having a big penis is VERY common.

I have worn skin tight clothes myself.. even SEXY ones yet I am not a deviant. I do not think being sexually attractive should be something I should be ashamed of.

But we're always getting sh*t if we look even if we can't control it right?

Erm.. looking is your own problem not mine.. and what do you mean by "can't control it"? As in rape? Well if thats what you are talking about you deserve all the " sh*t " you get.

Unless we're some badboy who can do it confidently and without remorse.

You mean rape confidentally without remourse..?

So what, we have to just expect it to be normal for women to reveal themselves in such a way? it's not the same as just being naked. If we were all naked it's not the same, women would not be not doing it to intentionally expose/exploit or sexually reveal themselves.

Deal with it. An inability to get layed is not the fault of women in general.

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Wow, I never said anything about rape. You never fail to turn things around to suit you're own twisted viewpoint. Of course you would think mine is the same.

as to your comment: "An inability to get layed is not the fault of women in general. "

Everyone involved is in on it. Don't think you hold absolutely no responsibility when obviously you do, especially when the guys is not even a bad guy and people wonder why he's still single.

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Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Wow, I never said anything about rape. You never fail to turn things around to suit you're own twisted viewpoint. Of course you would think mine is the same.

I have read the same arguments from you for a few months now. It's always the same thing.. resentment over women not wanting to sleep with you and resentment that they would choose "bad boys" over you. You have also said that women LIKE to be abused. I have not twisted anything you have said.

as to your comment: "An inability to get layed is not the fault of women in general. "

Everyone involved is in on it. Don't think you hold absolutely no responsibility when obviously you do, especially when the guys is not even a bad guy and people wonder why he's still single.

If I choose not to have sex with a man it is certainly not my responsibilty in the slightest if he has a bruised ego or unresolved sexual urges. It is ENTIRELY his problem. Just because someone is "not even a bad guy" does not make me more morally obligated to sleep with him above anyone else. For you to think so is SICK.

It's called natural selection. Just because I won't give pity sex does not mean I am being "unfair" on all those whining "nice guys". Life is unfair and women can only have a very limited amount of offspring compared to men so are naturally more selective when choosing sexual partners. Women are also less likely to have sex with men they find unattractive.. to expect them to ignore that and have sex anyway solely for his gratification is also sick.

There are indeed some women who do not mind having sex with men they are not attracted to.. but they require compensation. I suggest any man who cannot get layed on his own merits go pay for it instead.

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In fact it can even be said that women contribute to men's suffering by indirectly killing other men off.

You never usually hear of women being as much lonely as many a particular men. IF u do hear of women being lonely, it's usually in very extreme cases. Yet it's much more common for decent men to end up being extremely and severely lonely and suffering at the hands of women. You think women hold no power? Think again. Women aren't and were never the only ones to be opressed.

Women hold a ton of power. The power to outcast a man, and to render him useless, unmanly, and powerless. Men and women do depend on each other biologically speaking the entirety of the existence of men and women depend on their biological sexuality and society. We are social creatures, and we are sexual creatures. If a man or woman cannot exist as a biological sexual male/female, they will soon die. Sexual competition is the cause of A LOT more than you think. It has nothing to do with physical power. Of course a man is usually stronger physically than a female. But what women do to man is never simply limited to this. A man's problems will always be downplayed. Anytime a man admits to a problem he is usually shunned and outcast from society. It is "unmanly" to be with problems.

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Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by The Quiet Storm
Wow, I never said anything about rape. You never fail to turn things around to suit you're own twisted viewpoint. Of course you would think mine is the same.

I have read the same arguments from you for a few months now. It's always the same thing.. resentment over women not wanting to sleep with you and resentment that they would choose "bad boys" over you. You have also said that women LIKE to be abused. I have not twisted anything you have said.

as to your comment: "An inability to get layed is not the fault of women in general. "

Everyone involved is in on it. Don't think you hold absolutely no responsibility when obviously you do, especially when the guys is not even a bad guy and people wonder why he's still single.

If I choose not to have sex with a man it is certainly not my responsibilty in the slightest if he has a bruised ego or unresolved sexual urges. It is ENTIRELY his problem. Just because someone is "not even a bad guy" does not make me more morally obligated to sleep with him above anyone else. For you to think so is SICK.

It's called natural selection. Just because I won't give pity sex does not mean I am being "unfair" on all those whining "nice guys". Life is unfair and women can only have a very limited amount of offspring compared to men so are naturally more selective when choosing sexual partners. Women are also less likely to have sex with men they find unattractive.. to expect them to ignore that and have sex anyway soley for his gratification is also sick.

There are indeed some women who do not mind having sex with men they are not attracted to.. but they require compensation.

[edit on 8-6-2010 by riley]

It is not ENTIRELY his problem. See, women usually never admit to their role in things. They never admit their problems.

IT IS not entirely his fault because a man can NEVER choose for a woman unless she lets him, and that is her own fault as well. I'm not saying it's entirely, it can also be nature's the state of the world, etc. A man can be a good guy, good looking, etc. but he doesn't choose whether a woman likes him or not. That is up to her, and her nature. He can of course contribute but it is not all solely in his hands. So yea, a woman can have fault. I never said all of it. Nor did I ever say a man never had any. It's impersonal a lot of times.

We always have to take into account that we are One and living in the same reality.

they have no one to blame but themselves.
2nd line for taking responsiblity for ones owns actions.

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so you believe you rule the whole world?


Are you confident atleast to say that you are master of your body and also nature, as well as even others?

I'm not saying that people shouldn't take fault. i'm just saying that to say that each individual (individual) is the sole cause of every one of their own individual (individual) situations they are in is false and denying reality. Unless you lived in some kind of lucid dream world where only YOU existed and You knew it, and you could consciously create and co-create with each and every part of yourself. Only ascended masters can say they can do that

Everyone agrees in some way on the reality we all live. Even if subconsciously, or they just have no choice but to agree. Which means that each and everyone takes part in each others decisions because we all share "reality." This is a collective human reality, though most people's conscious minds aren't aware of it.

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