Fire Fighters For 9/11 Truth in San Leandro

my wife and I will be attending the firefightersfor911truth.org... in San Leandro tonight.

will anyone from this board be attending? or have you attended in another city perhaps?

I will post my review after I return tonight.

Are these meetings taking place all across the country? I am curious too, where do the NY Firemen stand on 911 theses days? What percentage of them question the official story, and has there been any discord within the ranks of the firemen, or any consensus, one way or the other?
I am grateful for you chiming in and I look forward to your report! Thanks

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
Are these meetings taking place all across the country? I am curious too, where do the NY Firemen stand on 911 theses days? What percentage of them question the official story, and has there been any discord within the ranks of the firemen, or any consensus, one way or the other?
I am grateful for you chiming in and I look forward to your report! Thanks

I'd be really surprised if there was even one NY fire fighter who supported this conspiracy horse [censored]. In their zeal to drag everyone's reputation through the mud to "prove" some secret plot is afoot, the conspiracy people are also accusing the NYFD of being coconspirators to these "controlled demolitions" stories. Remeember how they claim Silverstein told fire fighter command to "pull it"? Remember how someone supposedly heard a count down over emergency channels? Remember how fire fighters supposedly knew ahead of time that "WTC 7 was goign to blow"? Your own words are comigng back to haunt you.

If any fire fighter genuinely supports this paranoid nonsense, they ought to be ashamed of themselves for accusing their brother fire fighters of being murderers of 3,000 people and/or covering up the murder of 3,000 people.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


Dave just Google your question for an answer, I did and found there are a number of NY FF that question 9/11

www.dailypaul.com...


your welcome buddy!

Originally posted by Stevo_Devo
Dave just Google your question for an answer, I did and found there are a number of NY FF that question 9/11

Dude, that Eric Lawyer guy is from Seattle. He's not with the NYFD and he's certainly not one of the people you conspiracy mongers are accusing of collaborating with these secret plots and coverups. What's ironic is that in your own link, someone is accusing the NYFD of collaborating with the plot to blow up the buildings AGAIN, from posting a Youtube quote of a NYFD fire fighter names Miller who "knew" WTC 7 was going to collapse beforehand. Take a look at your link again, a few comments down.

Although I'm sure there are quite a number of NYFD who'd gladly beat the daylights out of this Eric Lawyer guy for dragging their reputation and honor through the mud by accusing them of murder and coverups, but on retrospect I suppose statistically speaking there will always be at least one turncoat who'll stab his brothers in the back in every fraternity.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


Please show where anyone is attacking FDNY, and please show where Erik Lawyer is attacking FDNY.

There are FDNY that have spoken out against the official theory. I guess they're automatically attacking FDNY too?






[edit on 8-5-2010 by _BoneZ_]

I note that the link in the OP takes us to a complete cut-and-paste of the same old discarded, debunked, and meaningless claims made by every other Truther on the subject.

There is nothing there unique to the knowledge or expertise of a "fireman." There is nothing that shows he represents the position of the firemen of NYFD or any firemen.

Sadly, it appears to be another lone wolf who doesn't know what he doesn't know.

wow.....just got back from the seminar.

Very informative and presented in a professional and non argumentative manner.

Speakers included 6 Fire Fighters from the surrounding areas and yes one from the Seattle area.

The bulk of the speakers were Architects & Engineers from AE911Truth.org

They presented their information from an Architectural and Engineering point of view, devoid of any political baggage.

it's late so I'll just give you a quick run down.

Most of the info was on WTC1, WTC2 & WTC7

Very little talk of the planes, Bush or Al Queda.

They stayed on topic and presented info on how the bldgs were constructed to withstand fire.

The biggest points of the evening were how did WTC7 come down when there was no plane and no jet fuel involved.

The other point was the speed in which the bldgs fell.

They fell at very close to free fall speed.

there is more but it's late so I'll just say if you get a chance you should really check out one of their seminars for 9/11 Truth.

~Spread the Word we will be Heard~


[edit on 9-5-2010 by Stevo_Devo]

[edit on 9-5-2010 by Stevo_Devo]

Originally posted by GoodOlDave


I'd be really surprised if there was even one NY fire fighter who supported this conspiracy horse [censored].

There isn't one current member of the FDNY on the list. There are a few that are retired but were not there on 9/11.

Here they are:



Anton Vodvarka New York City Fire Dept. (Retired) 15+ Years

Bryan Hunt, FDNY, retired 8-15 Years

John Keenan FDNY retired N/A

xxxxxxxx FDNY ret. Lt. 15+ Years



There is also this guy:

Jim Lundberg,
"I saw the dust and smelled the sulfur. There is no way that was a natural collapse."

No claim of him being a firefighter....and thousands upon thousands were there, saw the sights and smelled the smells.

And this FF:

Jim Osorio, LFD Rescue 1 - Acting Rescue 5 FDNY N/A
"I responded to this horrific incident with my fellow firefighters, and will always remember this and will never forget my brother and sister firefighters who responded and paid the ultimate sacrifice."

He is a firefighter from Jersey that covered other calls outside of the WTC attack on 911. That was his response..he was not at the WTC site.

Yet another misinformed group. From what the OP is saying, it turned out to be another Richard Gage fiasco.

I have always found this quote quite illuminating when it comes to the World Trade Center...

"If fire breaks out above the 64th floor, the building will fall down" Herbert Levine, inventer of spray on asbestos fireproofing.....which was not used in one tower and only used up to the mid 30s on the other.

Originally posted by Stevo_Devo

They stayed on topic and presented info on how the bldgs were constructed to withstand fire.

So no buildings needed fireproofing if it was knocked off? Sprinkler systems that were knocked out of commission? No firefighters able to get to the fires to fight them?

Amazing.

The biggest points of the evening were how did WTC7 come down when there was no plane and no jet fuel involved.

That Red Herring has been completely debunked.

The other point was the speed in which the bldgs fell. They fell at very close to free fall speed.

That Red Herring has been completely debunked, too.

What a bunch of amateurs. How much did they charge you for that snake oil?




[edit on 9-5-2010 by jthomas]

Originally posted by jthomas

What a bunch of amateurs. How much did they charge you for that snake oil?

10 bucks per the website. 10 dollars too much if you ask me. More of the same old garbage from Box Boy Gage.

And this FF:

Jim Osorio, LFD Rescue 1 - Acting Rescue 5 FDNY N/A
"I responded to this horrific incident with my fellow firefighters, and will always remember this and will never forget my brother and sister firefighters who responded and paid the ultimate sacrifice."

He is a firefighter from Jersey that covered other calls outside of the WTC attack on 911. That was his response..he was not at the WTC site.

Probably from Linden NJ - many units from Union County NJ responded

Units from Bergen County and some from Passaic County covered
firehouses in Bronx, upper Manhattan for 1st few days

What they did was cover the firehouse!

Members of adjacent city responded on 9/11 - were at 3 World Financial
Center fighting fire there - were evacuated when collapse zone around
WTC 7 set up

Know personally many who were there

None report hearing explosions from WTC 7 as watched building collapse

Originally posted by thedman

Probably from Linden NJ - many units from Union County NJ responded

You are correct....

Just prior to September 11, 2001, the department took delivery of its' second aerial piece, a 93-foot American LaFrance Ladder Tower. Just days after the wet-down, the terrorist attacks of 9/11 shocked the world. In the aftermath that followed, the department's rescue truck covered mutual-aid assignments for FDNY's Rescue 5, based at the Clove Street Station on Staten Island. Rescue 5 had responded to the World Trade Center, losing 11 of 12 men that rode that day. Engine 5 from the Circle Station also covered for FDNY as they worked at Ground Zero, answering calls from the Watkins Street Station in the Brownsville Section of Brooklyn.

www.livingstonfire.org...

They did an exceptional job helping their brothers in NY, but were not near Ground Zero on 9/11.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Please show where anyone is attacking FDNY, and please show where Erik Lawyer is attacking FDNY.

I'm really not surprised that you wouldn't have noticed, as from what I've been seeing, the main goal of the 9/11 conspiracy movement isn't to examine the truth, but to get people as paranoid as humanly possible over these imagined secret plots to murder us all. Thus, you rarely if ever examine your own claims in the same high degree of critical analysis that you do the commission report.

Your claim is that the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions, based upon Silverstein's off-hand, "pull it" comment. His exact quote was, and I invite you to corroborate this on your own-


"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."


Notice that Silverstein didn't say that HE made the decision to "pull it". He said it was the FIRE DEPARTMENT, as in the New York Fire department, that made the decision to "pull it". Silverstein specifically said in later interviews that this meant to get the firefighters out, which is what my position is and is what makes the most sense in the context of the sentence. It's YOUR position that this is some secret code to "to blow up WTC 7 with controlled demolitions and then cover it up so that noone knows about it", so if that's the case then it necessarily had to be the NYFD that blew up WTC 7 and subsequently covered it up. Since your likewise claiming that there's a whole other coverup of controlled demolitions in WTC 1 and 2, there necessarily has to be a connection between the controlled demolitions in WTC 7 and the controlled demolitions in WTC 1 and 2.

You also forget that in addition to the ground crews clearing up ground zero, the NYFD was there as well, helping out ground crews, putting out fires, and assisting in victim recovery. This necessarily measn they would be in direct discovery of all the steel defeated by controlled demolitions, detonation ires, and other evidence of controlled demolitions. Yet, they're covering all THAT up, too. The fact is, if you're insisting that the WTC was brought down by controlled demolitions, you're necessarily accusing the NYFD of being involved in it. There are no two ways about it.

This is what happens when you start manufacturing accusations of conspiracy with the same irreverence that the rest of us show while changing our socks- you're not even paying attention to what you're saying and sooner or later your own words will come back to haunt you. You'll excuse me if I find this attitude disgusting, and find it necessary to stop by and show you the fallacies of your paranoid daydreams.

There are FDNY that have spoken out against the official theory. I guess they're automatically attacking FDNY too?

If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, then you're embellishing things again. They're not speaking out against the "official history" as you put it, they're demanding more investigations into the collapse, and the reason they're demanding more investigations is becuase the collapse of the WTC indicates there may be serious flaws in NYC fire codes. This is why I support more investigations too- not to discover any imagined secret plots to murder us all, but to find out if there are problems in the building codes which may be setting us up for future WTC collapses in NYC and elsewhere.

I invite you to show how this is incorrect.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
Are these meetings taking place all across the country? I am curious too, where do the NY Firemen stand on 911 theses days? What percentage of them question the official story, and has there been any discord within the ranks of the firemen, or any consensus, one way or the other?
I am grateful for you chiming in and I look forward to your report! Thanks

I'd be really surprised if there was even one NY fire fighter who supported this conspiracy horse [censored]. In their zeal to drag everyone's reputation through the mud to "prove" some secret plot is afoot, the conspiracy people are also accusing the NYFD of being coconspirators to these "controlled demolitions" stories. Remeember how they claim Silverstein told fire fighter command to "pull it"? Remember how someone supposedly heard a count down over emergency channels? Remember how fire fighters supposedly knew ahead of time that "WTC 7 was goign to blow"? Your own words are comigng back to haunt you.

If any fire fighter genuinely supports this paranoid nonsense, they ought to be ashamed of themselves for accusing their brother fire fighters of being murderers of 3,000 people and/or covering up the murder of 3,000 people.

At this point you shouldn't even be allowed to post here, you know for a fact that plenty of NYFD members still question 911 because you participated in many of the threads about the petitions they signed to get a new investigation on the ballot.

I note that the link in the OP takes us to a complete cut-and-paste of the same old discarded, debunked, and meaningless claims made by every other Truther on the subject.

And you didn't even take time to cut and paste the so called "debunking", proving 100% that you are not as interested in the subject as the OP.

Originally posted by jprophet420
At this point you shouldn't even be allowed to post here, you know for a fact that plenty of NYFD members still question 911 because you participated in many of the threads about the petitions they signed to get a new investigation on the ballot.

No, actually I don't know that. I haven't seen any NYFD who were there that day who support your conspiracy stories. There are fire fighters from elsewhere who support this, I'll admit, but that doesn't negate the statement I made saying they should be ashamed of themselves for accusing their fellow fire fighters of murder and conspiracy without even a microbe of evidence to back the claim up.

Perhaps there's some animosity in between the fire fighter branches, I don't know.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by jprophet420
At this point you shouldn't even be allowed to post here, you know for a fact that plenty of NYFD members still question 911 because you participated in many of the threads about the petitions they signed to get a new investigation on the ballot.

No, actually I don't know that. I haven't seen any NYFD who were there that day who support your conspiracy stories. There are fire fighters from elsewhere who support this, I'll admit, but that doesn't negate the statement I made saying they should be ashamed of themselves for accusing their fellow fire fighters of murder and conspiracy without even a microbe of evidence to back the claim up.

Perhaps there's some animosity in between the fire fighter branches, I don't know.

Please, please, show me a conspiracy that I have accused anyone of that firefighters are "in on". I will quot ATS if you can. If you can't, you owe me an apology.

Originally posted by jprophet420

Please, please, show me a conspiracy that I have accused anyone of that firefighters are "in on". I will quot ATS if you can. If you can't, you owe me an apology.

This is what happens when you people start flinging out ever and any conspiracy accusation under the sun- sooner or later, your own words come back to haunt you. If you're insisting that the WTC was destroyed by controlled demolitions then you're necessarily accusing the NYFD of being involved in the conspiracy. Rmemeber that Silverstein "pull it" quote you people always refer to?

"I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

Silversten didn't say HE gave the order to "pull it". He s saying THE FIRE DEPARTMENT gave the order to "pull it". I'm the one who interprets this as wanting to get the fire fighters out of there to prevent any more loss of life, after all. YOU are the ones who keep insisting "pull it" means to blow it up with controlled demolitions and cover it all up, whcih necessarily means the murder of hundreds of their fellow fire fighters.

There's an apology required here, but it's not from me to you. It's from you conspiracy people to the fire fighters you're thoughtlessly slandering to advance your agenda to get people all paranoid over shadows.