BNP are 5th most popular party In UK

Leaving personal opinion out of this, I am merely pointing out something which I believe will be downplayed by the mainstream media.

Based on raw votes the BNP won the 5th most votes.

Although they won no seats, this is still a huge amount of votes.

news.bbc.co.uk...

they beat the green and the scottish national party.

Most politicians and media will claim a defeat for the BNP because they won no seats, but nearly 1 in 100 of the UK population (563,743 of 61,414,062) voted for them.

Make of it what you will, and don't shoot the messenger.

Yeah. I see your point...

Although its seats that really matter.
Maybe more people will vote BNP in the next election (next year if the Coalition fails?)

Although, worth mentioning is the Green Partys first seat in Parliament.

[edit on 7/5/10 by Esrom Escutcheon Esquire]

reply to post by asd10


That is half the votes they polled in the Euro elections, so it seems their campaign or the protest vote did not gain momentum.

I suspect the anti-BNP message that was being drummed home in the Euro elections actually back fired in a reverse psychology kind of way.. but hey who knows

Shows that for 500,000 people, not even one representative is allowed in parliament.

reply to post by asd10


excellent point, star for you.. democracy my a$$

I know a lot of people who voted for them, and every person i asked why, was because they said theyr'e struggling to find a job because there being taken by immigrants mostly eastern europeans which are mostly polish, i dont know the BNP's agenda's quite frankly dont want to, but if labour or tory said they were going to crack down on immigration, i think there would easily of been a majority vote last night. i live in nottingham and in my 5 year old childs class there are about 30 children, and about ten out the thirty are actually english with english speaking parents. thats just one classroom, so imagine that in job share, odds aint good in the place im living at the moment, so im not bnp but i can see why people vote for them for just that reason, without them seeing the real racist scum bags they are and the real agendas they stand for

5th in numeric terms however they got 1.9% of the vote, that's crap, as all of the proposed methods of PR for the UK have a cut off point of iirc 3 to 5% below which no seats are allocated, they still wouldn't get any seats.

Perhaps if they actually thought they could get a seat or two more might vote for them, just goes to show how small a party the bnp are, but how troublesome and vocal their supporters are and how unfascist the rest of the UK population is.

Originally posted by Thepreye
5th in numeric terms however they got 1.9% of the vote, that's crap, as all of the proposed methods of PR for the UK have a cut off point of iirc 3 to 5% below which no seats are allocated, they still wouldn't get any seats.

Perhaps if they actually thought they could get a seat or two more might vote for them, just goes to show how small a party the bnp are, but how troublesome and vocal their supporters are and how unfascist the rest of the UK population is.

So you don't believe that 500,000 British citizens should be represented in parliament?

2percent of the vote is one in 50.

That is significant in my opinion.

Originally posted by asd10

Originally posted by Thepreye
5th in numeric terms however they got 1.9% of the vote, that's crap, as all of the proposed methods of PR for the UK have a cut off point of iirc 3 to 5% below which no seats are allocated, they still wouldn't get any seats.

Perhaps if they actually thought they could get a seat or two more might vote for them, just goes to show how small a party the bnp are, but how troublesome and vocal their supporters are and how unfascist the rest of the UK population is.

So you don't believe that 500,000 British citizens should be represented in parliament?

2percent of the vote is one in 50.

That is significant in my opinion.

I'm a big believer in PR and would accept the bnp's presence in parliament, however I also accept the need for a cut off point, I would go for the 3% option leaving the bnp only a small deficit they would I expect be able to con another 400000.

The good thing is the pathetic 1.9% shows to the world what lying braggarts their supporters are, over the past few months none UK nationals on this board might've been led to believe the bnp was a mighty fascist party on the rise in the UK, not the sad little remnant of the nf that it actually is.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Thepreye]

reply to post by Thepreye

I'm a big believer in PR and would accept the bnp's presence in parliament, however I also accept the need for a cut off point, I would go for the 3% option leaving the bnp only a small deficit they would I expect be able to con another 400000.

The good thing is the pathetic 1.9% shows to the world what lying braggarts their supporters are, over the past few months none UK nationals on this board might've been led to believe the bnp was a mighty fascist party on the rise in the UK, not the sad little remnant of the nf that it actually is.

You are entitled to your opinion, thanks for contributing.

Originally posted by asd10
reply to post by Thepreye

 

I'm a big believer in PR and would accept the bnp's presence in parliament, however I also accept the need for a cut off point, I would go for the 3% option leaving the bnp only a small deficit they would I expect be able to con another 400000.

The good thing is the pathetic 1.9% shows to the world what lying braggarts their supporters are, over the past few months none UK nationals on this board might've been led to believe the bnp was a mighty fascist party on the rise in the UK, not the sad little remnant of the nf that it actually is.

You are entitled to your opinion, thanks for contributing.

No need to thank me mate! I'm glad to help remove any confusion in respect to the popularity or lack thereof of the bnp, 1.9%, lol, who'd'a thunk it based on the amount of prattle they generate on the web.

I dunno what that shows...I mean, is anyone surprised that 1% of the population are openly racist? I'm surprised only 1% are stupid enough to vote for the Bigots National Party.

brettcal82

i dont know the BNP's agenda's quite frankly dont want to,

I guess ignorance is strength? But you're still more than qualified to tell us why we should hate them, right?
The fact is that the vast majority of British people support the BNP's policies until they learn they are the BNP's polycies.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Just proves what an "ignorant, two faced, and interlecturally timid" bunch of "PC sheep" the mass media has "de-educated" the English people into becoming. At least in a dictatorship people realise they are being lied to. Instead we believe the likes of the BBC, NewsCorp, Associated Press ect give us a good-ok version of reality. Yet clearly the facts of our democracy still manage to expose the BS situation many peoples minds have been successfully led into.

reply to post by Liberal1984


That's because the respondents weren't told all the bnp's policies the racist ones were missed out, the reason most UK folk were favorable to the bnp policies given was because they have a left wing core to their manifesto and most Brits vote for left wing parties.

Originally posted by Thepreye

That's because the respondents weren't told all the bnp's policies the racist ones were missed out,

Which racist ones were missed out? Do you know, if what you're saying is even true? Link?

Because according to an article written when the reasearch was fresh
www.dailymail.co.uk...
Daily Mail

It found that 59 per cent of people supported a halt to all further immigration to the UK - one of the BNP's main pledges - when they were not told of the far-right group's association with the policy.
Among those who were told that it was a BNP commitment, support for the policy was only 48 per cent.

It would be a bit self-defeating to leave out the the bits (your political-ideological class ) judges to racist. And it hardly like sounds it's happend.

Originally posted by Thepreye

the reason most UK folk were favorable to the bnp policies given was because they have a left wing core to their manifesto

Every democratic party (serious about compromising, for its own succcess) has a mix of left, and right wing ideas. But here are some of the BNP's pledges...

• The BNP rejects the “climate change” theory which holds that all western nations need to be stripped of their manufacturing base and pay untold billions to the Third World to build up their industries

Crime...

The BNP will reintroduce capital punishment for drug dealers, child murderers, multiple murderers, murderers of policemen on duty and terrorists where guilt is proven beyond all doubt

Forighn Policy...

The BNP loves Europe but hates the EU.
The BNP demands an immediate withdrawal from the European Union, which is an organisation dedicated to usurping British sovereignty and to destroying our nationhood and national identity

I admit they do sound quite "left wing" when they say things like this...
• The BNP recognises the right of legally settled and law-abiding minorities to remain in the UK and enjoy the full protection of the law, on the understanding that the indigenous population of Britain has the right to remain the majority population of our nation.

But then (to me) they more than make up for it, when they say this....
• The BNP will deport all foreigners convicted of crimes in Britain, regardless of their immigration

Originally posted by Thepreye

and most Brits vote for left wing parties.

Sometimes, but not always. Unless of you've never heard of Edward Heath, Thatcher, Churchill? I would say Cameron but that's untrue, since in 2010 about a third more votes went to left-wing parties (though I think many are turned off voting, not just because we have an unfair voting system, but also because our political class is more librel-left wing than the British people, as a whole). There are loads of (often)entrenched reasons for this, but that's another debate.

Since your such an expert about what the BNP really is, and what it stands for, perhaps you should acturally have a look at their 2010 Manifesto?
www.general-election-2010.co.uk...

Then again I'd hate to "pollute" you're mind, with new, right wing, ideas!!

I mean why would anyone want that? Espically if you can just fill you're mind with unoriginal, PC thought's (all promoted courtesey of the TV-mass media? Who by the way, only want to control our national politics, by enslaving our minds, through their deceptions & false-biased debate!!!

[edit on 090705 by Liberal1984]

Originally posted by MrXYZ
I dunno what that shows...I mean, is anyone surprised that 1% of the population are openly racist? I'm surprised only 1% are stupid enough to vote for the Bigots National Party.

I think some of the BNP are racist, but I think a large portion of them
merely want jobs.

In a global downturn if u let anyone go work anywhere then anytime
there is a job anywhere there is a flood of ppl applying from multiple
countries.

This drives down wages and takes us one step closer to serfdom.

I call for protectionism because if you do not look out for your
neighbor then when you need help later on they sure as hell are
not going to look out for you.

Shell game economics end up hurting the common workers by
bringing in a never ending stream of ppl that will work for less
over and over, ie. a race for the bottom.

If you are near the top end of the pay scale 3rd worlders will
show up and stack bunk beds 2 to a room, and work for less than
the minimum wage under the table.

The 3rd worlders should be in their native countries fixing the
problem there instead of running to other nations and making
matters worse and driving wages down and setting off a
domino effect of foreclosures and broken homes.

Cutthroat economics end up destabilizing the country and a lot of
migrants end up sending a large portion of their checks back to
their home country thus taking large amounts of money out of
the local economy and making a bad problem even worse.

Here in the US we call this the race for the bottom, and the bottom
is coming into view pretty well.

Here just hispanic migrants send over $50 billion out of the US by
wire service.

Big business will ignore the plight of the workers and just bring in cheap
labor where ever they can.

Here in the US we have 68 different types of Visa now being used
to abuse this and it is basically killing our economy.

10's of millions of the migrant workers do not even bother applying
for a visa, and some even call for the formation of a new nation here
called Aztlan.

Pure greed and pure capitalism and open immigration end up taking
1st world nations being economically looted by 3rd world migrant workers
who send large portions of their check back to their native country.

Even if they do move to that nation they setup a different culture
much like that of the muslim culture that calls for honor killings,
and the deaths of infidels in public on TV.

They are even trying to make their own Sharia courts there in the UK,
basically subverting the UK's own laws.

The non violent polish migrants simply do not assimilate and form
polish communities so the native culture becomes offset and
fractured and you will end up a divided nation.

Together we stand, divided we fall.

If they UK and China allowed all the best jobs in the UK to be filled
by the best workers from China there would be no jobs for anyone
who was born in the UK.

That has not happened yet, but let it serve as an example for what
could happen as the 2nd great depression is unfolding before your
very eyes.

As things get worse, protectionism of you and your neighbor is going to
start making a bit more sense.

It will be less about racism, and more about knowing your neighbors
will not become desperate because they have no income.

A nation that has no loyalty to its native citizens will soon find
its native citizens have no loyalty to the nation.

What is occurring is akin to an economic sharecropping auction of labor.

A flood of outside workers causing ppl to lose their jobs, lose their
homes, and destabilization of families thru economic warfare.

Just my 2 cents.

Good Luck to you all !

[edit on 12-5-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

Originally posted by asd10

Originally posted by Thepreye
5th in numeric terms however they got 1.9% of the vote, that's crap, as all of the proposed methods of PR for the UK have a cut off point of iirc 3 to 5% below which no seats are allocated, they still wouldn't get any seats.

Perhaps if they actually thought they could get a seat or two more might vote for them, just goes to show how small a party the bnp are, but how troublesome and vocal their supporters are and how unfascist the rest of the UK population is.

So you don't believe that 500,000 British citizens should be represented in parliament?

2percent of the vote is one in 50.

That is significant in my opinion.

Any party that runs on a platform of racial/economic warfare should not have ANY seats. Don't blame the immigrants for not finding a job. Blame yourself for not wanting to take what you can find and work with it.

Its called multi-party system, something the US doesnt have. All European countries practice multi-pary politics with extreme left and extreme right getting seats.

This is something good and provides more diversity than the two-party rigmarole known in the US. I dont agree with the BNP at all, on anything, but Im glad all sides are granted a voice.

reply to post by asd10


How can they have beaten the Green party? votes aside, the Green Party actually have a seat in Parliament which is what is important, 5th largest party or not when you look at those below them, your talking about party's created by individuals just to try and make a point.

IMO 5th is a bit of a joke really, even the Leader of the Party was dumped by his constituents, nothing more to be said really, people have had enough hate, are sick and tired of them trying to push people into more racist nonsense which has a knock on effect where those who want to be heard just as much on the other side of the fence trying to protest against our hero's bodies returning from War nobody wants.

So they did well to get into 5th, but its a position which has no meaning what so ever what was important is they have zero representation in our Parliament, a VICTORY for the decent and moral British People of all colours and Culture.

Originally posted by Liberal1984
Originally posted by Thepreye

That's because the respondents weren't told all the bnp's policies the racist ones were missed out,

Which racist ones were missed out? Do you know, if what you're saying is even true? Link?

• The BNP rejects the “climate change” theory which holds that all western nations need to be stripped of their manufacturing base and pay untold billions to the Third World to build up their industries

Crime...

The BNP will reintroduce capital punishment for drug dealers, child murderers, multiple murderers, murderers of policemen on duty and terrorists where guilt is proven beyond all doubt

Forighn Policy...

The BNP loves Europe but hates the EU.
The BNP demands an immediate withdrawal from the European Union, which is an organisation dedicated to usurping British sovereignty and to destroying our nationhood and national identity

I admit they do sound quite "left wing" when they say things like this...
• The BNP recognises the right of legally settled and law-abiding minorities to remain in the UK and enjoy the full protection of the law, on the understanding that the indigenous population of Britain has the right to remain the majority population of our nation.

But then (to me) they more than make up for it, when they say this....
• The BNP will deport all foreigners convicted of crimes in Britain, regardless of their immigration

Originally posted by Thepreye

and most Brits vote for left wing parties.

Sometimes, but not always. Unless of you've never heard of Edward Heath, Thatcher, Churchill? I would say Cameron but that's untrue, since in 2010 about a third more votes went to left-wing parties (though I think many are turned off voting, not just because we have an unfair voting system, but also because our political class is more librel-left wing than the British people, as a whole). There are loads of (often)entrenched reasons for this, but that's another debate.

[edit on 090705 by Liberal1984]

Having heard of Heath, Eden, Macmillan, Douglas Home and even Thatcher says more about the iniquities of the British electoral system than my ignorance of British political history. The right wing parties usually get between 36 and 45% of the vote, Scots, Irish and Welsh nat's are all left wing as are Labour and Liberal so I stand by my statement that the voters of the UK have voted Left wing since WW2.

Ending the oil wars with no new attack on Iran, restoring civil liberties, improving the welfare state, re funding the NHS, no ID cards, re nationalising the various privatised utilities and rail all sound pretty left wing and popular policies, so I feel pretty confidant in saying the bnp cloaks it's self in populist left wing policies to disguise its racist heart.