Anarchy in Athens as local bank set on fire

Originally posted by alienesque
who should they have voted for?....they were all the same and regardless who was voted in the corruption continued...thats the whole point...the people have had enough of being lied to..

I understand and appreciate what you are saying.... BUT, they should have been rioting years ago, decades ago, if they wanted better choices and a better form of government. Again, they are protesting the loss of their social programs. The only "Change" that they are demanding is a return to the old broken system where they enjoy their "Entitlements". Certainly there are those among them who know better, but this is far and away from the majority.

Why were there so many people working the the bank that got set on fire?
I thought there was a 2 day stirike for public sector workers?

Damn shame anyone got killed just because they worked in a bank.
They are probably looking at the same pay cuts as everyone else,and its not the fault of the average bank workers,its the higher ups,as usual.

Originally posted by kozmo
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I don't see too much of what you're talking about. What I see are people protesting the austerity measures - meaning, they are protesting losing their handouts. That's what "Austerity measures" are - the government cutting WAAAAAAAY back on expenditures, cutting many programs that the people have come to rely on.

What people have lost sight of over the years is that the government is OBLIGATED to be AUSTERE, but the politicians have used social enginerring programs to buy votes. Benjimin Franklin said it best, "When people realize that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic." Even though he was referring to the US, it is a universal declaration applicable to ANY form of government, anywhere!

ok..so you get people addicted and then complain when they freak out when they are forced to go cold turkey?

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If the Greek government had felt that acting like a nanny state was putting a strain on their economy, they could have acted much earlier by implementing reforms in the system rather than forcing the austerity measures down the throat as they are doing right now. But rather than improving the economy and reforming the system, the Greek politicians and the banksters rode the credit wave and look where they have landed now.

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They were working in the bank sending a portion,or all of the depositors moneys to the parasites.

That is what happens on a banking holiday,a banking holiday only deprives the depositors the ability to withdraw their funds.

Maybe you can understand the reasons for the "anarchy" now.

The banks are stealing the people's wealth.

I would be a tad "disturbed" by this,anyone would be.

I'm not sure I understand this whole thing.

So Greece is bankrupt. I'm trying to think of what I would miss out on if New Hampshire or the fed went bankrupt. If everything shut off all of a sudden.

My food is still there and will be for years to come barring a scorched earth on the surrounding land. The water is still there. My life would be pretty much the same except there would be no income coming in and nobody taxing me on the outside. It's be like a cabin in the woods. Perpetual vacation.

Something else I dont get is how does destroying things and burning things and killing people work toward making the government not bankrupt?

This is my problem with protests. They may start out alright but eventually nobody remembers what the hell they're upset about and it just becomes some destruction festival for unstable people.

Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by alienesque

 

I don't see too much of what you're talking about.

there are banners saying 'IMF OUT' and the peole are shouting THIEVES at the parliament..thats pretty clear to me..

Merkel Slams Greek ‘Scandal’ as Goldman Role Examined

“It’s a scandal if it turned out that the same banks that brought us to the brink of the abyss helped fake the statistics,” Merkel said in a speech in northern Germany late yesterday, without naming Goldman Sachs directly. Greece “falsified statistics for years.”

Merkel’s comments came as her government questioned whether Goldman Sachs, Wall Street’s most-profitable securities firm, helped Greece hide its deficit as it struggled to comply with European Union limits.

Apparently,the Goldman Sachs banksters helped the Greek government in the past to hide its debts.

Originally posted by chiponbothshoulders
reply to post by Silcone Synapse

 

They were working in the bank sending a portion,or all of the depositors moneys to the parasites.

That is what happens on a banking holiday,a banking holiday only deprives the depositors the ability to withdraw their funds.

Maybe you can understand the reasons for the "anarchy" now.

The banks are stealing the people's wealth.

I would be a tad "disturbed" by this,anyone would be.

is today a banking holiday in greece?

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I do understand the reasons behind the unrest,
But how is killing the lowest level bank employees helping the situation?
It is not.

They should have continued to attempt to get in to the government building,rather than targeting those who will be suffering the same wage cuts as the rioters IMO.

Originally posted by order in chaos
reply to post by kozmo

 

If the Greek government had felt that acting like a nanny state was putting a strain on their economy, they could have acted much earlier by implementing reforms in the system rather than forcing the austerity measures down the throat as they are doing right now. But rather than improving the economy and reforming the system, the Greek politicians and the banksters rode the credit wave and look where they have landed now.

Again, I do NOT doubt that - not one bit. However, they are NOT protesting for a government reform, so to speak. They are protesting the loss of the entitlement programs. No matter WHEN the Greek government finally implemented sane financial reform, the riots would have occured as people would have rallied against losing their "benefits".

If the crowds of protestors and rioters were at all interested in truly reforming the way their government works, they would be protesting that the cuts do NOT go far enough and MORE cuts are necessary to reduce taxes and increase consumer freedom - however, that is NOT the case.

BBC news ticker:

"2 government buildings now on fire in Athens,a tax building and a regional authority building."

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
Why were there so many people working the the bank that got set on fire?
I thought there was a 2 day stirike for public sector workers?

I'm not sure, but I think the strike was only from government employees.
I think banks were still open, as they are privately owned and the victims could have been customers as well as workers.

I'm all for the people voicing their disapproval, but as soon as you resort to unprovoked violence and murdering innocent people, then whatever point you're claiming to make immediately gets lost.
Some of these protestors are just rent-a-mob filth that aren't bothered about anyone else.

[edit on 5-5-2010 by Conspiracy Chicks fan !]

Originally posted by alienesque

Originally posted by kozmo
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I don't see too much of what you're talking about.

there are banners saying 'IMF OUT' and the peole are shouting THIEVES at the parliament..thats pretty clear to me..

Yes, there are... but few and far between. Again, this entire "Strike" was due to the fact that people were being forced wage cuts and cuts in social programs. NOT because they want their government reformed or their financial system over-hauled. Most of these people are rallying around the cause of the financial problems, not against them.

Meanwhile, it looks like another country is inching towards a debt crisis:

Portugal could face downgrade, Moody's warns

Ratings agency Moody's Investors Service on Wednesday placed Portugal's government bond ratings on review for possible downgrade, citing the recent deterioration of the country's public finances and "long-term growth challenges" to the economy.

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Portugal, Spain, Italy... take your pick... they're all next! Venezuela, US, China and many others are suspect as well. This is GLOBAL and has been brought on by fractional reserve banking and the use of fiat currency. This has made it quite simple for the politicians to go out an "Buy" votes by allowing the electorate to vote themselves money. It is the common thread that ties it all together in nearly every country that is experiencing financial problems.

Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by alienesque

Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by alienesque

 

I don't see too much of what you're talking about.

there are banners saying 'IMF OUT' and the peole are shouting THIEVES at the parliament..thats pretty clear to me..

Yes, there are... but few and far between. Again, this entire "Strike" was due to the fact that people were being forced wage cuts and cuts in social programs. NOT because they want their government reformed or their financial system over-hauled.

i dont know exactly why most of them are protesting..and im pretty sure you dont either

maybe george soros has paid some to protest to cause the EURO to crash...who knows...

Here is a new video that shows how the Greek protesters tried to storm the parliament building:

news.bbc.co.uk...