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YES, WE WOULD, THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF NATURAL LAW!
Originally posted by Light of Night
Here is the proof that the Constitution does grant us rights.
That doesn't make a lot of sense does it? When you are born you have no background.
The whole race card thing getting played is getting very old, and no matter how much you try to deny it the facts speak for themselves.
Originally posted by Light of Night
reply to post by SpectreDC
Get it through your head Natural Law is a theory, nothing more and nothing less.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
As stated in my above post, the Constitution does not afford us with any rights. It protects rights that we, as humans find self-evident. Nor does it specifically and implicitly states that the rights are only limited to Citizens.
Preamble - US Constitution
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Originally posted by Light of Night
Okay, lets just let everybody into the country without any background checks or anything. Or better yet lets call everybody in the world American's and they are entitled to everything that we have. I'm sure we can figure out a way to send welfare checks and food stamps to all the poverty stricken people all over the world.
So I guess basically what you are trying to say is that, illegal immigrants should be allowed the same rights as American citizens? That what this rant screams to me.
Originally posted by tac109
I got into a huge thing with this guy who was American living in America. He hated this country with a passion. I offered him a real deal to buy him a one way ticket to any country he chose as long as he would never come back. He chose to stay here..... end of story. Point is, people who hate America sure love living here. I find the people who love this country most are people who were not born here, people who experienced life in another country.
They were rights that were held to be self-evident and true
I'm actually a left-libertarian/anarchist/minarchist/that ball park over yonder.
I see people on here have a really hard time understanding reading comprehension.
I'm not going to post anymore but I really hope people get the point by this point.
If you can't secede to this point when the proof is right there in front of your face then it is hopeless to even continue this debate.
It doesn't matter what you "think" it says, or what you have been "told" what it says, all that matters is what it says. It's that simple.
Originally posted by renegadeloser
The ideacy of most people quite trully astounds me. I have never posted anything on ATS before and created this account just so I could reply to this post.
First of all welfare checks and food stamps are not rights. They are not listed in the declaration of independents list of "inalienable rights", nor do they appear in the bill of rights. They are Privilages of American citizens (existing largely to keep the public dosile and subdued, much like the free bread given to all romans).
And yes, I am saying illegal immigrants, as well as all people of the world should be given certain inalienable rights. I'm not saying they should even get all the rights listed in the constitution, but there are certain rights which no one can take, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Think of it this way. You have the right to controll your body. No one can tell you whether or not you can breath. You should be able to create settlements and seek nourishmant regardless of where you are. If you don't think they deserve jobs here don't hire them, and don't support the businesses of those who do. But they have a right to fight for they're survival, to be free to live as they wish, and to try to be happy for the simple fact that they are alive. They will do these things regardless of whether or not you allow them to and nothing you can ever do will trully strip them of this right.
Originally posted by Light of Night
reply to post by ownbestenemy
They were rights that were held to be self-evident and true
No, those rights were held to be self-evident and true to the founders of the Nation. Not to everybody.
You guys are really trying to twist this around to make your point and you're failing horribly.