Alleged NASA -Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars

Originally posted by m0r1arty
No you are quite right Wookiep, I expect this, like every prior attempt at truth within the UFO circuit, to fall flat on its arse.

I would like some 'true' stuff to come to the front - but with people selling their thoughts in books and those thoughts not being worth the paper they're written on - well it just gets to my core how many people buy into it.

Sure it comes across as aggressive at my end but those with proof don't even notice it.

-m0r

This is certainly understandable, and I trust you would believe me when I say this stuff is out-right frustrating...we cannot take all the negative BS we have seen here on ATS and elsewhere and apply it to each individual case preceeding it.

If we do this, then we are decapitating the possibilities of this "truth" being revealed in the future. Take this case for example...if it turns out to be a hoax by "judy" are we going to take this out on cases presented in the future and make accusations as such have been made against Wayne and Judy?

All I'm saying is lets remain respectful to the OP and to Wayne, and not fly off the handle just because ATS has seen similar BS in the past and prolly will in the future.

If the past of others hurts you beyond the point of no return.. for all future cases, then perhaps this is a read that you shouldn't read.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Wookiep]

reply to post by Wookiep


I'm with you man.

I do have a disposition though towards those who would profit from their words though.

Taking each case and inspecting it afresh and with an open mind is vital to keeping a sharp mind and allowing each case to be valued on it's own merits and failings. Presuming things to be false without even reading it is as bad as presuming each thing to be true without scrutiny.

But people who withhold information because they are likely to profit from it - well that just allows for corruption which, in my opinion, is a factor which can be taken as fact prior to an investigation.

If this missing 'astronomer' keeps enough interest that when she shows up has to validate her disappearance I'm pretty sure we'll get a hookum story.

Just because someone writes books doesn't mean they are any more of less capable of research and/or free thought than someone who doesn't.

History is corrupt because of people being bought out and writing it askew, give me free information and you'll see that it holds its own.

Star for you because I've enjoyed our conversation here and I do hope that this case is worthy of note. We sure need something interesting to keep us going.

-m0r

reply to post by Netties Hermit


Hello.

Actually I was listening to most of her interview, so it could have been " Karne" instead of " Carn". I do believe that she mentioned Aenstria at that time also.

She talked of another Alien named " hillerick " (sp), once again it was audio and not in writing.

All of her abduction stories were the classic:

1. Medical exam
2. Telepathic communication
3. Silvery craft
4. Walls and floors were like one ( no seams)
5. They would be in touch
6. and...... The Star Chart

Nothing new and nothing that hasn't been published before.

Oh, and the best was that she received universal knowledge, her every question was answered.

I will ret to paste a link:

www.blogtalkradio.com...

Originally posted by Hivethink
Guys,

That's not Wayne Herschel. It's a fake. You'd think a writer would be a bit more conscience of typo errors, grammar, basic sentence structure, etc.

You've been had!


Love,

Hivethink

Ok, let's put this one to BED.

Wayne Herschel IS posting on ATS. here is a screenshot to prove it. I've been talking to Wayne for some time on FB, and he IS talking to us here on ATS. Again, here is a very recent FB confirmation message to prove it!!

After this, I don't wan't any more claims that we have a "fake" Wayne here. LOL





Edit (I edited my last name out)

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Wookiep]

Originally posted by dcmb1490
I just Listened to Judy Faltskog on Blogradio. This is prior to the big news and she has a picture and bio on the broadcast page.

There is no mention of her having any skills in astronomy or sciences.

Hope this helps.

DC

Hi dcmb1490, I posted about this same interview earlier in the thread and it is strange that she mentions nothing that would pertain to having technical/scientific knowledge at all. When she mentions NASA knowing about Nibiru why wouldn't she elaborate since she works for them?

podcast.com...

My main observation about her is that she sounds way older than 44! As for the books she claims to have written on aenstreanrealm.spaces.live.com... where are they? Certainly not available from any online retailer.

Favourite books:
The Aenstrean Revelations My autobiography concerning the abduction of me and my family when I was 12 years old.

The Gods of Valhalla by Judy Faltskog I wrote this book about the Kalahari Incident. However it was published in South Africa and has since gone out of print. Istill have a copy though.

She is conveniently the only person in the world that has a copy of the last book! It's been pointed out that the Kalahari incident was a hoax perpetrated by a James or Jimmy Faltskog, that can't be a coincidence.

I see that Wayne Herschel responded (vaguely) to questions about Paul Vigay and his claim that he was special Ops. This together with the name dropping of a known scientist 'Seth Shostak' into the account of how he was refered to Judy by a scientist friend. Of course Wayne can't mention the name of the astronomer he knows. Another question to Wayne is why couldn't your original astronomer friend do the work (looking specifically at the stars mentioned in the original FB leak) you wanted?

It seems that two irrelevent (but totally verifiable) characters appear in Wayne's account that has two totally unverifiable characters (The astronomer friend and Judy). Earlier in the thread he said that the Paul Vigay stuff was 'insignificant'. Then why mention it in regards to the 'missing' Judy Faltskog apart from trying to add a sense of drama to the story? I'm sorry Wayne but until you can provide some actual evidence to back up your account of how you came to know the 'scientist' Judy Faltskog this whole thing just remains a story.

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


Hello DrHammondStoat,

Nice to meet you. you have very valid points to consider.

Like many on here, I was just trying to research some to try to ascertain facts, in the hope that this might be true.

The goal is not to beat someone up and label them a liar. Really hoping that we get an eye opener one day and receive a signal, if they are there.

So my intent now is not to name-call but to ask Miss Judy:

If you have this universal knowledge, why not share it?

Surely you know how the craft flies and operates. End our dependence on coal and fossil fuels and tell us how they work.

universal knowledge should allow you to decipher the message.

Why won't you help to conquer new strains and primitive virus's that causes so much pain and suffering?

Why have our theories and models of physics and mathematics not been updated?


Where are the answers to clean water for the thirsty, food for the hungry, a stabilized world economy, advances in science and medicine?

What is universal knowledge if it is meant to be hoarded and kept secret ?

OK, I lied. I did do a little beating but I hope it was taken in a nice way.


cheers

Update for anyone interested in the *missing* Judy - all that follows is from people posting on Wayne's FB page then my comments in brackets:


Richard C. Hoagland -
Wayne,

Whomever has posted your friend's picture on "her" page ... has "flipped the NASA patch" -- a classic signal of distress!

This could get interesting yet ......

(I've asked Richard to explain what he means as I don't have a clue and sure many won't. )
___________________
Lorenzo ThePrince Silvestri ッ Hey guys just to confirm that Judy made another statement and its not her! What person would say that enough is enough and stop caring about me and that she will delete her profile and to leave her family alone? I challenged her to delete me and her profile as it would confirm 100% that it was'nt her and she just deleted me but not her profile...... See MoreAlso Jimmy Faltskog is now instigated in this so beware...I would definitely send the authorities round this guys house as it appears he has something to do with her dissapearance..Wayne if you need clarification of this I can pass this on to you. THIS IS NOT JUDY PEOPLE FOR SURE NOW!!! ( Björn Fältskog can clarify this ) I would continue as if she is missing until we know 100% she is ok! I have reported Judy's page as a FAKE PROFILE and I suggest people do the same.
about an hour ago

(Jimmy Faltskog is not related to Judy but has copied many of her sayings on his FB page. Don't know who Bjorn Faltskog is, awaiting an explanation)
_______________________
-Wayne Herschel- Update... Judy/impersonator wrote...

"Folks I am OK, and this whole situation is starting to annoy the Sh*t out of me!!!!!
If this conspiracy theories keeps flying, I will have no choice but to delete my FB prifile PERMANENTLY! Please leave my family alone! I appreciate everyones concern, but this is now REALLYY being blown out of proportion!"
... See more... See More
I responded...

Okay... lets just say our concerns are REAL and Judy's page has been taken over by the same people we fear have detained her.

would we expect this reply... yes
we would expect the porn virus not to be deleted... yes
we would expect no statement from you... yes
we would expect an attack at those who care... yes
we expect this facebook to delete... will you do that?

NOW IF YOU ARE THE REAL ASTRONOMER FOR HEAVENS SAKE DO THE RIGHT THING FOR YOURSELF AND THOSE THAT CARE ABOUT YOU.
I honour your nature, your personality and even if it is hoax that wasnt thought through carefully its time to heal and do what follows

there is a way you can heal fast through this Judy...

1) A statement as an astronomer explaining the misinterpretation if there was an error in scientific terms also to show you are a pro in this field. If it was a hoax... a little reasoning there too is needed.

2) Involve a family member PROVING you are okay in a public place because there are thousands now thinking you are detained by authorities. That proof is critical for most of us.

3) Somehow a way or reputable reference to show you are an astronomer hands on researcher professional or what ever you have.

I really hope you can do all 3 things as soon as possible then the healing will begin...

I followed with...

Know this Judy/impersonator ... there are many close friends of yours ready to involve authorities to open up an investigation case and take it to the media because they are not convinced you will do what the real Astronomer Judy would do as mentioned above.

Its now in your hands... do the right thing or face the shocking media frenzy that is waiting to feed on you.
25 minutes ago
_________________________
Wayne Herschel- Conclusion of status:

Its in the hands of the real Judy or impersonator now to do what is expected from a real astronomer scholar...

If she does the right thing and proves ALL 3 things needed then fine... mystery over and worries of her safety are over and she can heal recover get back to normal life.... See More

BUT... if she does not... then there are two possibilities...

(1) Judy is missing and in terrible danger
(2) Judy is a fraud in every single possible way

Right now my hunch is heading towards (1)
20 minutes ago
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[edit on 7/5/10 by cosmicpixie]

Wow! this is getting very serious, I had no idea that
all this maybe an elaborate hoax that will possibly leave
innocent people with egg on their face.

It's time the aliens stepped in to save Dr. Judy's
reputation... I hope she's okay.

Originally posted by cosmicpixie
Update for anyone interested in the *missing* Judy - all that follows is from people posting on Wayne's FB page then my comments in brackets:


Richard C. Hoagland -
Wayne,

Whomever has posted your friend's picture on "her" page ... has "flipped the NASA patch" -- a classic signal of distress!

This could get interesting yet ......

(I've asked Richard to explain what he means as I don't have a clue and sure many won't. )

While i like to keep an open mind, i cant help but feel that maybe she is enjoying all this attention she is getting, and is milking it at the moment. Im not saying this statement is true, but there are many out there who crave this sort of attention. I find it very unlikely that she has been silenced. I think this has gone a bit too far now, and im sure nothing will come out of this and it will be forgotten very soon.

If she is ok, then she is going around this completley the wrong way! which tells me its all about attention. I could be wrong, and i hope i am.

Well, a few things are coming to light that I have talked about until blue in the face.

The Oxygen, the frequencies and the use of night vision, infrared and of course ultraviolet.

In the future you will discover "white light" heals and that all diseases can be cured from the roots of plants.

This is all so slow moving

Well, in any event, if the NASA ninjas do assassinate Dr. Judy, we will all remember that it was all because of Wayne's recklessness and lack of judgement for letting the cat out of the bag. He was fully aware of the death squads lying in wait for people who expose the terrible secrets of crop circles and other high level information. Yep, if Dr. Judy really does disappear, her blood is on Wayne's hands.

reply to post by DJW001


Ya because the killers didn't do it.

Its not my fault, its yours!

These people are heroes!

reply to post by cosmicpixie


From: en.wikipedia.org...

Unusual or extraordinary appearance
When none of the above-described officially-sanctioned signals are available, attention for assistance can be attracted by anything that appears unusual or out of the ordinary, such as a jib sail hoisted upside down.

HMS Romney aground off the Texel in 1804. In Richard Corbould's print, Romney's blue ensign at the stern is shown inverted, as a sign of distress

I would not have noticed the nasa patch, but you can clearly see it HAS been photoshopped to appear reversed.

This would qualify as a "signal" of some sort.

The only conceivable scenario (other than total fraud) is that she is being held against her will, and despite what she is sayin on FB, wants to attract attention, and for someone to respond to her plight.

Since it is clear that something odd is afoot, and no-one can seem to produce Judy, what is required to lay a missing person's complaint by a third party? Although at this point i don't think anyone knows what country she was in? Something like a reversed patch falls well within international maritime practice, and is recognised as a valid distress signal.

Richard C Hoagland and Wayne Herschel are both internationally recognised authors of "arcane knowledge". Both are highy dependant on public perception, and would both suffer from being associated with a hoax. I imagine their interest would be as "neutral third parties"?

reply to post by harryhaller


i mean no offence, and i like your work but it makes no sense to me, surely if she was being held against her will for leaking important info should the scenario be true she would not be allowed anywhere near a computer to photoshop pictures and post them!. sorry but its just more fantasy!

thanks

rich

Everyones also missing another possible outcome...............She has been abducted by the said aliens the signal is from???.......
I will now wait for future news on this post and hopefully some form of clarification on the matter.
............................

[edit on 7-5-2010 by DreamerOracle]

What person would say that enough is enough and stop caring about me and that she will delete her profile and to leave her family alone?

The kind whose lie has gotten totally out of control?

I want it to be real too, I really do, but...

[edit on 7-5-2010 by Merigold]

reply to post by harryhaller


Interesting Harry, thanks
I don't know anything about photoshopping, can you explain why it is *so obvious* rather than it being a case of the negative creating the reversed image....?

Thinking about it though,pics of my son wearing t shirts with logos on come out so that you can read them when looking at the pic....ie not reversed

PS) I google NASA CAPS and every image of anyone wearing a NASA cap , the logo is readable, it is NOT reversed. Similarly when you check pics of people wearing t-shirts with any sort of writing on them, the words do not appear in reverse

It could be just me spending too much time overthinking this thing but the noticeable difference in use of grammar and spelling comparing Judy's initial posts to these 2 recent posts implying she's still around could ALSO be a signal ?

Maybe even her science lapses in those first few posts when her *news* broke were also a deliberate signal?

Or maybe I just need to get out more.....

[edit on 7/5/10 by cosmicpixie]

I'm not surpised by this story. I would expect to see a lot more of them in the future.

Has nobody seen the South Park episode on Facebook ? I watched a few weeks back and nearly cried at the end. What the hell is happening to this world.

I honestly don't think anything online can be taken seriously anymore.

Too many people are just trying to live out some sort of fantasy lives.

I don't get it. I really dont get it.

I'm gonna stay with this, it's still all very intriguing.
The 'flipped' logo on her cap is an interesting item,
but again -as said above, why let her put it out on
the internet.
It's all very strange indeed.

I just hope no one gets hurt out of all of this.
Her hair is nice in that pic too.