Two VERY Strange NUFORC Reports

reply to post by Wide-Eyes


Wide-Eyes.....

That's a good point to make.....

.....there perception of time could have been altered, if the event was real.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by samureyed


Samureyed.....

Thanks again for posting this interesting case.

Could they simply have confused the names of the 2 locations when they submitted the report to NUFORC?

Once again, without meeting the witnesses face to face, inspecting the site & vehicle personally, etc... it's extremely difficult to ultimately "know" in one's own mind what happened.

Whilst I reside on the "critical" side of the UFO debate, that is not to say I'm an "unbeliever".

Our default position shouldn't be to instantly write off every single account such as this, but with all the hoaxing, wild imaginations, rabid believers, etc... it's hard not to.

However by doing that, we will write off that "1 in a million" event that might really happen.

So what do I currently think about this particular case?

I think that on balance it's a hoax, but I will continue to hope that some sort of other evidence, witness testimony from a 3rd party, etc... will be forthcoming.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 16-4-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by samureyed

 

It's very important that significant reports, such as these, are brought to the attention of a wider audience. All too often there is a lack of detail...not the case here. Even more so, the human element of emotion is absent...again, not the case here. The moment when he describes the 'boogers coming out of her nose'...well...what can I say? That's human drama right there.

Many who read this traumatic account will be sleeping with the lights on tonight. A chilling case indeed...

Edit: Dry humour alert!

[edit on 15-4-2010 by Kandinsky]

I was reading away already with the feeling of BS and then like you saw the fantastic "she had boogers coming out of her nose" and I just chuckled and at that point just gave up on the reports

Just a thought for you:

The damage described sounds like the car did fall from a height and that would set the airbags off.

Is there anywhere in the vicinity that they could have driven off the edge of something, like a builders mound of dirt or somthing?

Perhaps they were being idiots and drove off a ramp of some sort, sounds like fun until you get too much air and come down with a thump

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reply to post by PennyQ


That's what I was thinking:

This kid is trying to hot shot it, jumps a ramp, bottoms out, would cause the windshield to crack and the airbags to deploy, the girl hangs on for dear life and leaves the her thumb print.

But here's hoping it was Aliens.

to me it sounds like a made up story to hide
the fact that somebody wrecked the car
and then blamed it on Aliens.

I think they probably used aliens as an excuse for wrecking the car. The two reports are totally inconsistent. "D" says that the windshield cracked from the one side to the other, and then popped out. "E" said the windshield cracked, but ONLY on one side (and does not mention it popping out). Also, as mentioned, "E" says they were driving around first but "D" says they couldn't get anywhere. "E" even says she got pulled up against the windshield and i think "D" said they got pulled out through it.

The only question is why the *beep* they chose to blame aliens for their bad driving skills

reply to post by samureyed


My impression is that these were written by the same person. They definitely read that way. For example, they both use well constructed sentences that end in a period (almost never an exclamation point or anything else). They both spell "OK" in all capitals. They both use about the same number of words to describe the incident. They both use paragraphs of roughly the same size. While grammatical mistakes are rare, those mistakes which are present are basically the same types of mistakes in both of them. They both end with a short "clincher." They both use hyphens - like this - to describe things, with a space before and after it. And the list goes on. Also, a previous replier's point that the moon was not actually out that night seems like a pretty good point to make.

If you ask me, two teenagers drove out to some place (probably in Laconia), had a little too much fun, did something stupid and crashed the car. When they brought the car back, the parents naturally got upset, and called the police. The teens then tried to cover for what they did by coming up with a UFO abduction story. One of them, either the boyfriend or the girlfriend, quickly went to nuforc.org and typed up these accounts, so that they could show them to the police / parents / friends in order to try to convince them that the stories were true.

That's my best guess, anyway. Interesting reports in any case.

[edit on 16-4-2010 by Magnus47]

Twenty-two years ago, some very strange and frightening things happened in Australia, according to Associated Press reports emanating from Sydney, and -- to my knowledge -- the integrity of these events was never discredited. Based solely upon AP reports, the story developed as follows. . .

At about 2:45 a.m. on a Wednesday in January, 1988 Faye Knowles, driving, and her three sons (brothers Sean and Wayne are pictured here, both having confirmed their mother's story) were proceeding on a lonely outback highway through the Nullabor Plain from Perth in western Australia, when she spotted a glowing object through her rear window.

In an attempt to escape pursuit by what seemed an egg-shaped object, Knowles accelerated to speeds approaching 120 m.p.h. However, the UFO easily paced the automobile and ultimately, according to Sgt. Jim Furnell of the Ceduna Police, "apparently picked the car up off the road, shook it quite violently and forced the car back with such pressure that one of the tires was blown." Knowles' vehicle was left facing the direction from which it had come.

Apparently associated with the incident was a layer of a black powdery ashen substance found inside and outside of the car, and forensic scientists were scheduled to take samples. But, as in the best detective thrillers, there was more to the story.

First, a tuna boat crew 50 miles away in a water area known as the Great Australia Bight -- a crew whose members had absolutely no contact with the Knowles family -- reported being buzzed by a bright object just minutes after the Knowles incident. "We were a little bit skeptical at first," continued Furnell, "but after investigating, we are treating the reports very seriously."

Second, and this was a particular point of interest to me because sound was involved, both the Knowles family and tuna fishermen noted similarly bizarre effects in the presence of a strange object. Explained Furnell, "While this was happening, the (Knowles) family said their voices were distorted and it was as if they were talking in slow motion." In the tuna boat, crew members' voices became "unintelligible" during the object's presence.

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The debunkers went into overdrive on this case in short order. In fact, the Knowles family were ridiculed and openly described as 'retarded' by a number of radio-hosts and journalists

Yet police who examined the car and its occupants treated the matter in utmost seriousness

That there was a concerted campaign to discredit the family is beyond doubt

Getting back to the Australian events: A Royal Australian Air Force base representative in Edinburgh claimed he wasn't aware of any military aircraft in the area during the encounters. Still, instant explanations weren't to be avoided because the media, as usual, went running to the nearest skeptical astronomer for a feel-good moment and, as usual, this expert was more than happy to oblige, with his version of events anxiously lapped up by the media a week later.

Charles Morgan of the Sydney Observatory postulated a "carbonous meteorite shower" as the culprit (!) which would explain the ash and the Knowles' report of a "smell of dead bodies" inside the car. He also indicated the possibility of a sonic boom associated with such an event, which might explain the hearing difficulties. Acknowledging that some "unexplained phenomenon" might instead be responsible, Morgan nevertheless went on to suggest that the tire blew because the driver became frightened, drove off the road, hit a bump and became airborne.

(sound familiar ?)

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I'll have a scout around and see if I can find a fuller account than this, from the perspective of the Knowles family. For instance, in the newspaper reports at the time, the family said their dogs reacted very strongly to the object which pursued and lifted the car

Meanwhile, to read the full article, please refer to link

Link to Los Angeles Times article, dated 1988

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Associated Press article, dated 1988

www.mimicmedia.com...

Both above articles are brief, but confirm that the incident was reported across the globe

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Here's a snippit which illustrates how the Knowles were discredited and very swiftly silenced

EXAMPLES OF RIDICULE:

A famous UFO case here in Australia: 1978, the Knowles family are driving across the Nullabor plain. They see a light, the object chases them, lands on the roof of the car, the car is lifted from the road, drops, tires blowout, vehicle is ditched.
A TERRIFYING EXPERIENCE.

Other witnesses were around, boats off the coast apparently saw lights too. People who saw it did not come forward. The case got huge media attention at first, some investigators from America came out as well. Part of the evidence was a fine powder all over the car.

Later, one TV show in particular had the Knowles family on, but the show turned it into a joke. The family were not laughing. That same host won an award for our most popular TV personality. You have a TV program in the USA called "SIGHTINGS" which used that interview in a story about the Knowles case, showing their mistreatment. It's a shame that our own media weren't as kind

ufosnmw.tripod.com...

UFO Terrorizes Australian Family

This is the only case suggestive of the sucking up of a vehicle by a UFO without it being a hoax. A little before sunrise on January 21, 1988 the Knowles family was driving along the Eyre Highway in southern Australia. After making a swerve so as to avoid colliding with a first UFO which was in position above the highway the Knowles passed a car over which was flying a second UFO.

Return To View Unknown Not Wise Decision

The son, who was driving, decided to turn around and to begin a chase. Having caught up again with the vehicle, still with the UFO flying above it, he realised that this UFO was now flying in his direction, with the result that he turned round again and accelerated away. The Knowles were now travelling at more than 100 miles per hour in their attempt to escape from the UFO.

Escape Attempt Proves Futile

The UFO caught up with them and came down hard on top of the car with a dull thud. One can reasonably think that the UFO was exerting at that moment a magnetic field of sufficient intensity to magnetise the roof of the car and stick to it. Inside the vehicle the passengers seemed to be speaking in slow motion and one of the three sons had the impression that his brain was being removed from his head.

Efforts To Leave Highway Unsuccessful

The driver tried to leave the road but the steering seemed to be jammed, as if the UFO was forcing the magnetised vehicle to continue in a straight line. It was then that the car rose up before falling back down heavily.

Car Tire Becomes Casualty

The rear tire on the right hand side burst on impact with the asphalt. The driver then regained control of the steering and succeeded in stabilising the vehicle and bringing it to a standstill. There were no victims in this incident.

Family Member Actually Touches UFO

Faye Knowles had the time to lower her window and look at this shining white light, yellow at the centre, and to touch the underside, which felt like a hot sponge. After these events, a bump remained behind on the roof of the car.

Strange Dust Residue Undergoes Analysis

Analysis of the dust found there showed the presence of oxygen, carbon, calcium, silicon, potassium, and perhaps also of astate, a radioactive element of synthetic origin. The witnesses, who did not maintain their anonymity, were broadly ridiculed by the Australian media.

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The above is a fuller account (albeit different in some details than the initial and more brief accounts which whizzed around the world shortly after the news broke)

Those interested in viewing the Nullabor Plain will find two unremarkable photos by scrolling down at the above link

The Nullabor is vast (as in 'very') and virtually uninhabited. There have been numerous reports of UFO sightings by those who've travelled the Nullabor, particularly long-distance truck drivers, although I've read that they don't bother reporting their experiences to the media and particularly not after witnessing the way in which the Knowels family was treated (aka 'discredited and silenced')

I'll keep looking for more information, although it's suprisingly scant, online. Guess in a few more years, the entire story will disappear and be forgotten, as intended

Anyway, the Knowles family was comprised of the middle-aged mother and her three adult sons. I remember the family spoke about the way their dogs reacted to the incident but haven't come across it as yet. If I do, I'll post it

21 January 1988 04:30 - Nullabor Plain, Western Australia, Australia - Car levitated, dropped back to ground bursting one tire. When lifted mother rolled down window and touched UFO! It felt warm, spongy, possibly a suction pad. Bad smell, damage, dogs highly agitated.

www.ufodna.com...


At last we at least have mention here of the Knowles' family's dogs. Knew I hadn't imagined them

1988 - The four member Knowles family was driving on the Nullabor Plain west of Mundrabilla in Western Australia at around 4:30 a.m. when their car started being paced by a mysterious light. It followed them for nearly 90 minutes.

The close encounter took a dramatic turn when the UFO buzzed the car from behind and somehow lifted it from the road. The car was airborne a few feet above the ground for a short period, then was dropped back onto the highway surface, causing the tires to pop.

The UFO had a bright yellow light in the center and looked like the sketch below. The "egg-cup" shaped object then flew off. The car had dents and scratches on the roof, and their luggage that had been strapped to the roof was gone. An ash residue was also found inside the car. (Sources: Pat Delgado, FSR, June 1988, p. 1; Richard Hall, The UFO Evidence (Volume 2): A Thirty Year Report, pp. 30, 205, 276).

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So, little additional details to be found in various snippits online, if one's prepared to dig and enter various search-terms. Although considering the millions of words both printed and spoken about the incident at the time, you could be excused for wondering why it's so difficult now to find all the details in dozens of online sources. Not as if it happened a 100 years ago, is it ? I mean, there are most probably millions of online sources containing information about Paris Hilton



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[edit on 20-4-2010 by Dock9]