ANC planning Zimbabwe style land invasions after World Cup

ANC slams Malema's Zim comments

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reply to post by Mdv2


Well this looks great. Two known idiots at a love fest. What does Malema hope to achieve?? Perhaps important Zimbabwe style crises to SOuth Africa??

Again Why does the ANC allow such an idiot the time of day??

And I do not believe that the ANC is commnist at all. The cold war if definately over in Africa

Originally posted by Tiger5
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Again Why does the ANC allow such an idiot the time of day??

Because he is (was) a nice distraction. However, now I think he's becoming a bit too much for them to handle.

Originally posted by Comatose

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by Mdv2

 

Again Why does the ANC allow such an idiot the time of day??

Because he is (was) a nice distraction. However, now I think he's becoming a bit too much for them to handle.

I think they still using as a puppet to say the things their to scared to say

Mmmmm yes, it seems that the line in the sand has been reached.

Calm the situation down quickly. It always has been this easy to stop all the tension.

I don't like this ... it confirms that Malema IS leashed. It also confirms that the ANC desires a fair degree of destabilisation as "normal".

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by Mdv2

 

Well this looks great. Two known idiots at a love fest. What does Malema hope to achieve?? Perhaps important Zimbabwe style crises to SOuth Africa??

Malema is a racist who has one objective only: power to the black people. His hate for white people exceeds any rationality, because if he'd have any rationality, he would understand that these land invasions result in nothing but destruction as shown in the video that I posted. It wouldn't just affect the Afrikaners whom are primarily responsible for the great economic development that South Africa has seen, but also for the black population. Unemployment will rise and so will poverty.



[edit on 9-4-2010 by Mdv2]

Malema represents the exact kind of evil that gave us other African demagogues like Amin and Mugabe.

His recent heated exchange with a BBC correspondent (Jonah Fisher, 8 April 2010) shows exactly what type of person we are dealing with here. When he was called out by Fisher for living in South Africa's most affluent neighborhood (after having just criticised others for having their offices in the same wealthy area), he called Fisher a bastard and a white agent. Adding that he also had, quote, "rubbish in his trousers".

Oh yes, a return to the worst days of Africa beckon if this guy ever gets into power.

I'll dare to say it, Africa was a better place under white rule, rampant racism aside.

reply to post by Mdv2

Malema is a racist who has one objective only: power to the black people. His hate for white people exceeds any rationality, because if he'd have any rationality, he would understand that these land invasions result in nothing but destruction as shown in the video that I posted. It wouldn't just affect the Afrikaners whom are primarily responsible for the great economic development that South Africa has seen, but also for the black population. Unemployment will rise and so will poverty.

These land invasions would represent justice, don't twist and turn, white people are the minority, you are living in a Democracy which actually rhymes.

The suffering black people went through was sad, but something you can't forget, and something the black South African won't forgive..

Whether they forgive or not is up to them, you are in no position to judge them..

Originally posted by oozyism
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Whether they forgive or not is up to them, you are in no position to judge them..

Of course I and everyone else is in a position to judge.

I am a human being and a member of the human race, that alone gives me the right to watch and comment upon current events.

Two wrongs do not make a right!

If South Africa is to move forward, which I genuinely thought it was until relatively recently, it needs to learn the hard lessons from the past but move on in a positive and progressive manner.
Land siezures does not work; look at Zimbabwe.
And punishing orseeking retribution from the current white population for the crimes their ancestors committed is morally wrong.

Racism is wrong whatever shape or form it takes.

[edit on 10/4/10 by Freeborn]

Cut off all aide to Africa, our aide to those governments are just used to fund these radical groups that mutilate and enslave people.

Originally posted by yellowcard
Cut off all aide to Africa, our aide to those governments are just used to fund these radical groups that mutilate and enslave people.

Absolutely!!!

(just a pity the aid givers are the enslavers)

The problem as I see is that even if South Africa elected a leader who could help to heal such deep divisions that person would have to live long enough to do so . In that respect he/she would share a sort of similarity with Lincoln who tried to avoid harsh retribution against the Southern States in the after mouth of the American Civil War .

Living in a Parliamentary Democracy I never understood what or why the so called Founding Fathers or American Congregationalists feared democracy so much . * Well I understand now due to the fact that society was back then about as educated as it is a whole as it is in Africa today . Post Independence the theme of one vote one time was very much in evidence in most places in Africa .

* Speaking as a Kiwi I would take a Parliamentary Democracy over the US political system of a division of powers any day of the week . My point is still valid because the Founding Fathers could not have foreseen the masses becoming educated or the Westminster System becoming a successful system of governance . Yes I am aware that our system is based on who has the majority of seats not the most votes but I will have to further off topic discussion for another thread.

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It seems we are forgetting the fact that the injustice was in the Apartheid law and at the same time trying to change the topic, blaming the black against black violence.

This argument is so widespread now.. Like for example, Iraqi's kill more Iraqis than Americans.

Or Americans has killed way more Americans than all terrorist attacks combined..

etc..

We are talking about the unjust rule and inequality which existed racially in South Africa.. The perpetrator should have been punished.

I believe due to lack of punishment the ANC has the balls to bring the same Apartheid rule but this time in favour of blacks..

Punishments are used as lessons to future generations. That I thought would be obvious to any one and everyone..

The suffering black people went through was sad, but something you can't forget, and something the black South African won't forgive..

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It is the West who will ultimately judge the result of ANC policy. Should it go the way of Zimbabwe the West and white liberals will leave the black people to their fate of starvation and brutal oppression. Unlike Zimbabwe there will be no neighboring country to flee to, so it will be much worse. South Africans cannot flee anymore south, or they'll be in the sea. I suppose the Western countries will be glad to take in the fleeing massess of South Africa - ha, ha.

reply to post by oozyism

Punish the perpetrtator, but who is the perpetrator? From the 1970s onward the CIA regarded South Africa as its pawn in the regional cold War conflict. In the 1980s Thatcher and Reagan followed a policy of "constructive engagement" with apartheid. What foriegn interests benefitted while local white kids were brainwashed to fight the Cubans in Angola? Punish all the Reagan supporters and their off-spring?
Well, Western tax-payers will soon find out if the Khulumani law-suit against a range of multi-national companies who benefitted from apartheid succeeds. Then they can take their "punishment" for exploiting blacks, but also safegaurding them from communism and giving them employment.

Originally posted by halfoldman
South Africans cannot flee anymore south, or they'll be in the sea. I suppose the Western countries will be glad to take in the fleeing massess of South Africa - ha, ha.

It is no surprise that so many Afrikaners move back to Europe, to Australia, Canada and many other Western countries, but then there's also a group of very brave people who will never ever leave their most precious lands out of fear. The boers are preparing for a fight and I am very much afraid that a genocide against the whites is a distinct possibility, if this land invasion really does happen.

Originally posted by yellowcard
Cut off all aide to Africa, our aide to those governments are just used to fund these radical groups that mutilate and enslave people.

That will not work. The world, including South Africa to a point cut off Zimbabwe, that did not stop Robert Mugabe's regime from continuing to murder their opposition, from killing and invading farms, from destroying one of the wealthiest countries in Africa.

The more economic pressure you put on them, the more their own people suffer, and the more they will turn to crime to stay alive.

The African leaders feel nothing for the people (often ignorant) that put them in power. They enrich themselves at the cost of the people, and sanctions will not prevent it. The only thing to do is to drag them to an international court (where they cannot bribe the judges) and to remove them from power.



[edit on 8-6-2010 by Old_RSA]

In support of the OP.

Keep in mind that when Eguene Terreblanch was murdered, the leader of the ANCYL (ANC Youth League), Julius Malema, was in Zimbabwe, praising Robert Mugabe for the brilliant way he did land reform. I will not bother to describe how Zimbabwe did land reform, you can google Zimbabwe land grabs.

Keep in mind the number of South African farmers that have been murdered and tortured. Again, google South Africa farm murders. The government claims the attacks are not politically motivated, and are just the result of crime. The authorities cannot explain why a family would be tortured, raped and murdered only to steal a mobile phone!

With that as the background, read this article that was published on 5 June in Zimbabwe.

www.thezimbabwemail.com...

A secret committee made up of ANC and government security agents is coordinating the country's post FIFA 2010 World Cup cleansing activities and it is already in full swing, identifying targets, and preparing use of hit squads, highly placed sources in South Africa and Zimbabwe said.

ANC's Youths who have been undergoing training in Zimbabwe, at the army's Staff College have completed their rigorous training and they will soon be deployed throughout the South African provinces ready to kickstart a State assisted land invasion which will be reported in the State media as spontaneous.

Controversial African National Congress Youth League (ANCYL) President, Julius Malema, has already visited Zimbabwe for a a briefing by Robert Mugabe and he had a series of meetings with Zanu PF and Zimbabwe government's security agents.


The italics and bold in the article is mine.


This is not media trying to inflame things. Zimbabwe (or the Zimbabwean media) has nothing to gain by trying to disrupt the World Cup.

We have had xenophobic violence here before, so it is not just the farmers that are in danger, but foreigners too. See this article...

www.thezimbabwemail.com...

I am not trying to inflame things with this post, however I want the world to know that when all hell breaks loose in our country and the government claims it was "spontaneous" or whatever, that it is not true. It would have been planned and executed by the government. The government will blame racism, etc. when things get out of hand, or they will blame crime, but if the world is still blind as to what is going on here, I invite them to come and see for themselves, interview people on the street, speak to farmers, speak to farm workers, most South Africans of all races get along very well as long as you keep the ruling party out of the picture.

www.thedailyma... verick.co.za/article/2010-06-08-then-what-the-economists-sa-correspondent-on-life-beyond-the-world-cup

This is the view of journalist Diana Geddes who has worked for the Economist for 18 months.

Near the end of the interview, Geddes quoted “the normally unflappable” UCT vice-chancellor Max Price, who she spoke to for her article in the report about crime. Another of Price’s colleagues at the university had just been murdered, and he said, “We no longer trust strangers and we hate what we have become.”

Said Geddes to The Daily Maverick: “I’m not willing to hate myself to that degree.” She doesn’t have to, of course, because after her posting is over she can return to Europe. But that doesn’t make her observations on the country any less meaningful. The Economist’s report on South Africa isn’t British tabloid journalism; Geddes spent months compiling her research and interviewing South Africans from all walks of life, her deep frustration at the intractability of our problems is palpable. Surely, for those of us who’ve become numb to the contents of our own media, there’s value in a foreigner’s startled, no-holds-barred assessment of the situation.

This is that bad. I'm trying to have a lense made for my telescope, something that 10 years ago was easy to source. Now, no chance. All the experts have left.