"Climategate" Researchers Largely Cleared

"Climategate" Researchers Largely Cleared

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The House of Commons' Science and Technology Committee said Wednesday that they'd seen no evidence to support charges that the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit or its director, Phil Jones, had tampered with data or perverted the peer review process to exaggerate the threat of global warming two of the most serious criticisms levied against the climatologist and his colleagues.

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So here we have more evidence that the whole "Climategate" thing was just a deliberately manufactured controversy, engineered by those who want to derail the Global Warming issue because they stand to lose the most from regulations against it.

It'd be fun to discuss this side of the conspiracy for a change (instead of constantly lambasting science) but, meh, everybody's already made up their minds it seems.

I'm just sick of this topic always automatically devolving into complete myths and polarized opinions and egos and name-calling and other inane useless banter that ultimately does nothing to deny ignorance.

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Anyway I'll bet this thread will soon be flooded with comments about how climate change is natural (you know - because it's always been natural in the past, so that somehow "proves" humans can't cause it now) - or it's due to the Sun (even though - it's been - repeatedly - shown that it's not), or all those other junk-science "facts" that purposely obfuscate the truth about this absolutely critical issue.

But the fact is this - no matter how much certain denial blogs and right-wing think tanks want to tell you there is "no scientific consensus" over man-made global warming - THERE IS.:

Science:

13 of the World's leading national science academies

American Association for the Advancement of Science

American Meteorological Society

American Physical Society

American Geophysical Union


(just to name a few)

...And for anyone wondering if these "official" statements don't necessarily reflect the consensus opinion of the actual members - maybe have a look at this.


So yeah, if you don't want to believe the scientists - then so be it, that's your beef. But I'm going to stick with what the actual scientists say over all the profit-driven corporate BS propaganda trying to tell me the science is just a big complicated fraud.

Just because somebody's a hacker or posting on a conspiracy blog doesn't automatically mean they're fighting for your freedom. Everybody's got their own agenda to push - and it usually involves $$$.

So for the record -

Propaganda:

Conservative media hype misleading report suggesting CRU destroyed raw climate data

Major Global Warming Denial Movement Linked Directly to ExxonMobil: PROOF

Oh About Those 32,000 "Leading Scientists" Against Global Climate Change.

The Climate Killers



(etc)

There is proof Phil Jones interfered with the peer review system at least once.

The paper in question, had 3 referees, or reviewers.

Jones was the minority, the paper was published in the end with a 2-1 vote favorable to it.

If you want I can provide the source of this information.

[edit on 30-3-2010 by jjjtir]

it's a sad day when you can't go ten minutes anymore, without getting some kind of Propaganda shoved down your throat. We got Health Care shoved down us. Now we get to hear about how we have to save the planet or we are all going to die. We only have 50 days to save the world. Bla Bla Bla. Then we get to hear about how great Green technology is, and how many jobs it well create. Climate Change is just another reason to tax us. Nancy Pelosi has most of her money invested in green energy, you know she's gonna push for it, and she is an absolute ogre. why should She care if it's true or not.
I kinda feel sorry for all these zombie CC people, They are such sheep.

reply to post by Target Earth


How about the millions of dollars that companies like Exxon have invested in trying to make these scientists seem like frauds? There's a lot of money involved in the fight to make people believe that everything is just fine the way it is, you know.

Originally posted by mc_squared
Anyway I'll bet this thread will soon be flooded with comments about how climate change is natural (you know - because it's always been natural in the past, so that somehow "proves" humans can't cause it now) - or it's due to the Sun

(etc)

Follow the money!

You are so far away from truth. Unbelievable.

reply to post by Terrapop


Follow the money, indeed. The amount of money invested in fossil fuels and the status quo makes the cash invested in green tech look like a drop in the ocean.

The only way we're going to see green tech move forward is if it becomes profitable.

Originally posted by suicydking
Follow the money, indeed. The amount of money invested in fossil fuels and the status quo makes the cash invested in green tech look like a drop in the ocean.

Yup, here's a lead to follow. I'm sure the conspiracy theorists here will take on the cause and see where the rabbit hole leads:

In a must-read report, Greenpeace details how Koch Industries has “become a financial kingpin of climate science denial and clean energy opposition,” spending over $48.5 million since 1997 to fund the anti-science disinformation machine. Brad Johnson has the story.

linky

Might even find those who stole the emails from CRU.

Ready, steady, go...

More on topic. No surprises here, CRU and Jones have done little wrong. But the aim of the anti-science machine is to create noise, confuse, and obfuscate - which they achieved. They have nothing positive to offer.

[edit on 31-3-2010 by melatonin]

reply to post by mc_squared




I can not beleive they can lie and lie and get away with it in this world today. This world is built on lies. This is our legacy---we lie to ourselves and to others.

Originally posted by mc_squared

It'd be fun to discuss this side of the conspiracy for a change (instead of constantly lambasting science) but, meh, everybody's already made up their minds it seems.

I find it almost suspicious as to how, on a site where people will find conspiracies in the way an old lady will momentarily glance at them in a Post Office or how their cappuccino was slightly colder than normal when it was sold them this morning, that the only conspiracy - apparently - connected with any kind of climate change is that those who those in favour of man made climate change are making it up, it's a scam by this government or this cabal of fake scientists.

It seems fantastically strange to me that on a site where people are almost desperate to point their fingers at some massive corporation or other - whether it's Big Pharma, the Military-Industrial Complex, Big Oil, the Sugar Industry, the Tobacco Industry, the Fast Food Industry - that it couldn't possibly be that the real conspiracy lies in those that want to keep selling you expensive, energy inefficient life-styles and so on. Those that have even more to lose than the rest of us. How many times do I hear 'follow the money' on this site? And yet, people don't seem to want to apply that maxim to this scenario very often.

Perhaps it's a responsibility thing, I don't know. Maybe on a predominantly American site where even healthcare for their fellow Americans is such a divisive and angry topic that something like climate change (man made or not) - which is already affecting other countries - is too much like someone's problem. As I said, I don't know, but reading this board sometimes, it honestly does make me wonder.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


Excellent points.

Regardless of whether climate change is man-made, we should have switched to renewable energies decades ago for a plethora of reasons.

I liken America's oil dependence on oil to a drug addiction. We need more and more, so we start stealing from Grandma's purse or rob someone else to get it.

I find the solutions to our problems are obvious, the problem comes when we consider the needs of "artificial persons" along with real people. Our country has become so dependent on these large corporations that if their needs aren't met our country might collapse in on itself, unable to compete in the global market. Or so the fear mongers would have us believe.

As for Phil Jones, the man had a goal in mind, proving to people MMGW exists. He wasn't a scientist looking for the truth. He had a point to make and needed the data to back it up.

Man-made or not, climate change is coming and it's gonna hurt.

Originally posted by The Savage Khan
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

Excellent points.

Regardless of whether climate change is man-made, we should have switched to renewable energies decades ago for a plethora of reasons.

I liken America's oil dependence on oil to a drug addiction. We need more and more, so we start stealing from Grandma's purse or rob someone else to get it.

One thing that I've never understood about America is their car industry's approach to oil. Yes, I appreciate it's nothing like England and that for anyone living outside a city, a car is a necessity. Yes, I appreciate that people often travel considerable distances by car in America - it's been said that the difference between America and Britain is that America thinks 200 years is a long time whereas Britain thinks 200 miles is a long way - and so on. However, it seems to me the answer should have been, right from the start, that if you need a car, and you need to travel large distances and you therefore need fuel to do so, why not make more efficient cars? Why not more efficient cars rather than just concentrating on size and comfort and so on and other ways to generally make the car even less-efficient?

Yes, I realise that this is something that's being done now, but what about the last 80 years or so?

Man-made or not, climate change is coming and it's gonna hurt.

That's the view I've taken since I was first made aware of climate change, or rather the potential of it, 30 years ago. To me, too many people seem to have a view that all that matters is whether it's man made or not and, beyond that, it's not really happening.

Government bureaucrats in UK announce opinion that amazingly supports al gumps proxy propaganda war... what a shocker.

Anything from the US / UK govts regarding global warming is meaningless... their banker gangster handlers are invested in the outcome, and they lie way too much about everything to be trusted at face value.

reply to post by melatonin

Of course, Greenpeace has no dog in this fight, right? Aren't they the ones who opposed the EU giving carbon credit for re-forestation because it didn't generate any cash income for them to sop up?

Koch Industries has “become a financial kingpin of climate science denial and clean energy opposition,” spending over $48.5 million since 1997

$48.5 million over several years? The AGW prophets and their government benefactors take more than that in a WEEK from citizens who no longer have a say in how their government spends tax money. And want even MORE!

Phil Jones and CRU can't turn on the lights for "$48.5 million."

You willfully ignore that the Copenhagen signatories agreed to spend $100 BILLION to "assist" developing economies to reach their (make-believe) CO2 reduction targets!

Not one of the signatories HAS that much money; it comes from taxing and raising costs and levies on their respective citizenry.

At least the "deniers" are spending their own money.

If the AGW faithful are so convinced, why don't THEY pay for their studies and projections themselves?

Maybe, because they're not worth the paper/discs they're written on.

deny ignorance

jw

The overwhelming power/money is behind MMGW which has been slowly switched to 'climate change' recently. There has been no significant 'global warming' since 1895.
source

Do you really think all of these governments and think tanks that will not hesitate to put depleted uranium bullets in any 3rd world nation and who poison their own people give a rats a** about the environment? Here are a few more links I've put on here before.
35 inconvenient truths
Of Rainforests and Polar Bears
Ice is melting! ... NOT!
NASA bad data

Cap and Trade is just the new derivatives market, except slightly more unethical and fraudulent:
90% of carbon credit trades fraudulent

This is all about control and profit, not the environment.

WOW!

A Government with a vested interest in backing its own studies decides that the scientists caught with their hands in the till did nothing wrong!

Earth shattering news indeed!

Shall I turn off sarcasm mode, or didn't you get the point?

Weren't we supposed to be dead by now from global warming, according to Al Gore? We had 10 years to stop it or the universe was going to implode?

Follow the money. And there is PLENTY of it to be made regarding "global warming".



[edit on 20-4-2010 by Darkrunner]

Originally posted by budski
WOW!

A Government with a vested interest in backing its own studies decides that the scientists caught with their hands in the till did nothing wrong!

The same government which completely ignores scientists and their studies on drug harm and legislation leading them to resign in protest from their government advisory positions?

And the 'hands in the till' comment is little more than your fantasy. But, hey, colour me surprised.

reply to post by melatonin

the 'hands in the till' comment is little more than your fantasy. But, hey, colour me surprised

The true colour is "hopelessly converted." The AGW sect and its converts have created their own "fantasy" which costs millions of pounds, dollars and euros to support:

... in its obsession with climate change, different branches of the UK Government have in recent years been pouring hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers' money into a bewildering array of "climate-related" projects, often throwing a veil of mystery over how much is being paid, to whom and why.

Climate makes money move in mysterious ways: The British Government has been pouring millions of pounds into 'climate-related' projects

Jones, et al do indeed have their "hands in the till," and their benefactors must now contrive to defend themselves and their profligacy.

deny ignorance

jw

"The personal attacks of any sufficiently disingenuous AGW acolyte will become indistinguishable from paranoia."