Shouldnt food be a "basic human right"???

Originally posted by Smell The Roses
reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

 

Food is a basic human right because you can walk outside your house and eat an insect, a plant, some fruit, whatever...or go fishing or hunting for that matter. People have the ability to make their own food or go get it for free. Health care needs doctors, insurance agencies, and so many other people involved for it to work.

Apples and oranges.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by Smell The Roses]

Your response is a fallacy, that itself represents the "apples and oranges".

Here's why. Most people on the planet are city-dwellers. As such, they do not individually own or have control of enough land required to produce enough food (even insects) to survive on.

That fact makes most people on the planet dependent on farmers, truck drivers, etc. to produce their food for them and get it to them.

Therefore the farmers and truck drivers are totally analogous to the doctors and insurance agencies you tried to use in your argument.

Which takes us back to the original premise, that if healthcare is a basic human right, then free food - being a more basic need than healthcare - should be provided for first - before free healthcare. And so all farmers, truckers, and groceries should be taken over by the government in order to provide this basic need.

Sound good? But wait! Didn't the soviet russians try this exact same thing with their giant collective farms and food distributions systems? And didn't those result in mass famines and starvations?

And so what if government owned and run healthcare ends up the same way - with people dying due to lack of the very healthcare the government takeover was supposed to provide for everyone?

It's all very clear to me now. Hopefully, to you as well.

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
reply to post by blupblup

 

I was being sarcastic in the OP. Read it more closely.

I would say facetious but meh.... either way.

Since youre from the UK, can you tell us all about "N.I.C.E."?

As an official representative of the UK, i have been ordered to refer you to the website and use the contact us section

www.nice.org.uk...

reply to post by centurion1211


You seem to not realize that food is already produced at great subsidy. You get paid for every acre planted!

www.esoterictube.com...

Try this one out.

And don't forget price fixing on futures of commodities by these huge SUBSIDIZED corporate conglomerates.

Cargill was started by a Freemason who got a Freemason deal with a bank and then later Rockefeller promoted Cargill move into Brazil -- where Cargill is now one of the leading sources for destroying the

Amazon -- providing 20% of the world's freshwater and oxygen supply!!

The brain of the planet is the Amazon with numerous sources of medicine!!

But no -- lets replace the Amazon with soybeans funded by the World Bank and the heavily subsidized Cargill!!

Yeah free market has always been a joke

where you do think food went in the U.S. -- exported to Europe BECAUSE OF THE WORLD WARS.

The U.S. only made money off mass food production because Europe had killed of its food production and population.

It doesn't take the Soviet Union or China to destroy the food supply.

And guess what - Cuba has survived the capitalist blockage by moving to organic food production!!

www.corpwatch.org...

Many small U.S. farmers are also unable to make ends meet and are being driven out of business at the rate of 330 farms every week "due mainly to industrial agriculture's expansion, urban development, and other economic shifts in agriculture," according to a campaign by Ben and Jerry's ice cream company to save America’s family farms. Their ranks include many of small cotton farmers, some of whom are forced to sell their crops at roughly half their cost of production. Meanwhile, the big producers who know how to tap government subsidies and have access to global markets are thriving. Allenburg Cotton’s domestic sales topped 3 million bales of cotton last year. The company is privately held so exact profits or losses are not disclosed.

[edit on 25-3-2010 by drew hempel]

Originally posted by Smell The Roses
reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

 

Go fishing or hunting for that matter. [edit on 22-3-2010 by Smell The Roses]

Try that in California and see how free it is when they catch you hunting/fishing without a license or when that bug you just ate was the last if the deadly los angeles tse tse fly.

I figure the punishment wouls be along the lines of fines a half million and more plus ten years in slave labor- opps I man prison.

Corporate Welfare Socialism in the U.S. is Agribusiness!!


www.corpwatch.org...

But the subsidies for corporations like Cargill have doubled in the US since the closure of the Uruguay round in the last 5 years. Rich countries are subsidizing agribusiness by up to $343 billion a year. While in a country like India, agriculture is negatively subsidized up to minus 23 million dollars a year. This is not about competition. This is about monopolies.