Can we intentionally bankrupt the U.S. government?

Originally posted by Longtimegone
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

You have a dark view on reality. I own my life as well as 300,000,000 others do. There is no prison built for 300,000,000 people.

[edit on 22-3-2010 by Longtimegone]

no you don't

go walk up to some cops and blow a rail of coke once.

See how far you get.

You don't own your life.

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I dont think we need to attempt, they do a very good job at it themselves, just stock up on whatever you can beofre the ride ends and our new masters come for us.

Sorry, it's already being done. Look up the Cloward-Piven Strategy. The idea is to overwhelm the government system creating a breakdown.

cloward-piven.com...

Cloward-Piven is a strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The strategy was first proposed in 1966 by Columbia University political scientists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven as a plan to bankrupt the welfare system and produce radical change. Sometimes known as the "crisis strategy" or the the "flood-the-rolls, bankrupt-the-cities strategy," the Cloward-Piven approach called for swamping the welfare rolls with new applicants - more than the system could bear. It was hoped that the resulting economic collapse would lead to political turmoil and ultimately socialism.

They're already doing a pretty good job of moving people from working jobs to the unemployment benefit line. Relaxing rules on food stamps increases expense. Now they're going to pile on health care expenses over the next few years.

Oh yeah. By ignoring any warnings about the US credit rating and continuing to spend money like drunken frat boys with daddy's credit card, they may manage to decrease our rating. That would increase the cost of servicing our existing debt to an unsustainable amount.



[edit on 22-3-2010 by Mountainmeg]

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Drunken frat boys with daddy's credit card?

A few shrewd investors “shorted” the sub-prime mortgage bond market. Realising that the odds were in their favour, they gambled on the inevitable collapse of the multi-trillion-dollar bond market built on mortgages taken out by poor Americans. They reaped millions, even billions. The people on the other side —the entire financial system, essentially — failed to realise they were betting with the odds against them. The CEOs of every major Wall Street firm either ran their public corporations into bankruptcy or were saved from bankruptcy by the US government. Yet they all got rich, too.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Originally posted by Longtimegone
Can we intentionally bankrupt the U.S. government?

Putting aside the argument that the U.S. government is already in the red and unsustainable, can we bring about the end of the U.S. government very soon by using so much government assisted programs that it just collapses?

What do you thinlk of the following?

1) Everybody in the U.S. change your tax status with your employers payroll so that you don't pay taxes or pay a small amount of taxes untill next year when taxes are due again. (Usually I overpay and get money back..lets not give the government interest-free loans anymore.)

2) Abuse the system. Use tax credits, government programs that help support your food, utilities, education etc.

3) With the passage of the Health Care Bill, the U.S. government will be burdened by huge health related costs. Scrape your knee and go to the Emergency room. Get the sniffles and see a doctor. Get perscriptions from you doctor for ADD or restless leg syndrome (or some other made up condition) and don't take the pills.

In other words, let all 300,000,000 USE and ABUSE government programs that it goes bankrupt. Then we elect a new George Washington, declare our debts to other nations void, and start over with a small federal government with stronger State governments.

What do you think?

[edit on 22-3-2010 by Longtimegone]

Some of the things you are advocated would be HURTING PEOPLE. If you scrape your knee on purpose and see a doctor, you are raising the price of medical care for the poor people by artificially increasing demand. You could even get someone killed by for example overwhelming an emergency room in a way that a critical case misses the care they need to live.

What you could do that I would support would be to grab every penny of the US government's money in whatever non-violent ways possible. But, if you didn't give every penny of that money to charity you'd be nothing but a scam artist from my perspective.

From my perspective the best possible solution to what concerns you is the Free State Project, so I advise you to look at that. In New Hamshire the FSP does things including civil disobedience (just about all members may refuse health insurance for example), starting pro-liberty businesses such as promoting alternatives to the US dollar, and has also been heavily successful in influencing state politics. Four free-state members are now in the state senate, and the state senators in New Hampshire tend to be very approachable and will hear what you've got to say.