Obamacare is a bailout for insurance companies.

The hospital treats a symptom. They always schedule more visits. They usually need more tests. Results are inconclusive.

Now, they drug and delay symptoms. Who knows what that creates...?

The health care industry is not a customer oriented industry. Its very military oriented. YOU, the patient, are on the need to know basis.

This health care bill will further decrease the care level of the patients. It will also make people more dependent on a hospital. This will also punish people who live a healthy lifestyle.

Natural remedies might become very limited. People, and probably lots of them, will be totally in constant contact with a hospital.

It is almost like making everyone sign up for social networking sites.

Originally posted by dfens
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The codex alimentarius? If you are interested< I can provide the link.

OK, Thank you.

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"This is a bigger bailout for the insurance industry than AIG," former Democratic National Committee chairman and medical doctor Howard Dean told "Good Morning America's" George Stephanopoulos today. "A very small number of people are going to get any insurance at all, until 2014, if the bill works.

"This is an insurance company's dream, this bill," Dean continued. "This is the Washington scramble, and I think it's ill-advised."

abcnews.go.com...

I wonder if Dean still feels the same way.

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"A very small number of people are going to get any insurance at all, until 2014, if the bill works.

If?

I feel like I am in the twilight zone.


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seems more like a bailout for poor people and deadbeats without jobs


geez those people dont deserve to live if they didnt bother to fight hard enough while alive to get their own healthcare.

im sick of these middle class americans trying to steel from me. If this passes im leaving this country before it sinks into turmoil from these lowlives trying to sponge of the rest of the population because they never bothered to work ahrrd in life.

Here's a good one,

Health-care legislation's insurance subsidies prompt questions of affordability

www.washingtonpost.com...

The final health-care legislation that House Democrats are striving to pass this weekend would give about 19 million Americans subsidies averaging $6,000 to help pay premiums and other insurance charges, an unprecedented government investment in private health policies that leaves lingering questions about whether coverage would truly become affordable.

In the final version Democrats produced, the subsidies would be part of a two-prong approach by the government to extend coverage to the vast majority of people who are uninsured. That effort is predicted to cost nearly $800 billion, more than $4 of every $5 of the legislation's total cost.

The private insurance subsidies would begin in 2014 and be intended for people eligible to buy coverage through insurance exchanges that would be created the same year.

OK my heads spinning

Cuts the deficit by 1 trillion by 2025!!! That's so awesome. But uh.... what about the other 120 trillion?

Hospitals are allowed to take you in, carve you up, drug you, whatever, even if better solutions exists. You are likely not going to hear about a lot of the safer, more natural alternatives. And, then they get to charge you out the rear end for their services.

Multi-thousand dollar surgeries for things like gastric bypass, when diet modification, and good ol' exercise would have done the trick. The bottom line is we allow criminals to get rich right in front of our face. Big Pharma, Psychiatrists, crooked doctors (not all doctors are crooked) and people like this, get to screw us over and get a fat paycheck as a bonus. Being a criminal pays, and we allow it to happen.

Truth be known, the true purpose of this health care crap is to move the world forward to more drugging and stupifying of the human race. "Take our medication and like it!"

"Stop being aware of what we are planning to do to you, now take your pills, sit in front of the TV and shut up!" We are supposed to be un-aware and docile. We won't fight back as much in this condition.

You want better and more affordable health care? The you take the criminal elements out of the system. You allow natural and safe alternatives to be discussed, and include them in their university studies. And Big Pharma could no longer then hold it's death grip on the health care system. Drugs would only be used where appropriate, and as really needed. (Anesthetics for surgery is an appropriate use of drugs.) Surgery would be used when appropriate, if a non-surgery method could be used to get a resolution, then that would be used.

Many of us don't really need insurance. Some people have lived most of their lives without needed to go to the doctor. That should be the real goal, make it so people are healthier so doctor visits are much less needed. We have been taught to rely too heavily on doctors and hospitals, as if we are somehow incapable of taking care of ourselves with asking a doctor every step we take.

My health insurance? Less than $100 worth of vitamins, good exercise, and pursuing a positive, abundant life. I would rather have a rainy day fund instead of insurance. Hey, if I didn't need the money for a doctor, then I can spend some of it on a new car or something. In other words, I'm not throwing my money into a hole where I may never see it again.

Troy

I wouldn't call this an insurance company bailout, it's more like an insurance bubble. Their stocks have gone up since December and if you think there's any validity to Obama verbally spanking them in public, you're just naive. It's no different than him chastising greedy bankers after voting to bail them out.

As far as the CBO drivel goes, they only produce figures based on data and projections that are laid in front of them. Their estimates assume that everything will work out exactly as expected, no amendments will be added, nothing will change, the revenue stream will be exactly as expected, etc, etc, and that limits their efficacy. They're basically a computer whose output is only as good as the data that is presented to them.

Beyond that, name one federal program that ended up costing what it was projected to and I doubt you'll come up with many. I remember reading that Medicare itself was originally projected to have a cost of around $10-12B in 1990. That projection was off by around $100B and it's cost doubled over expectations in only a few years after being passed. There was no CBO in those days but I'm sure they would have come to a similar conclusion if they used the same data that the House Ways and Means Committee used. Being nonpartisan only serves to make the data seem more legitimate. Sort of like saying "It was approved by the FDA, so it's safe" until it's recalled because of unforeseen side effects like, you know, death.

I read one oped piece in a Washington paper online that basically said "Hey, Medicare was unpopular at first, too and now it is" but what it failed to mention was that Medicare is basically unsustainable over the long run, no different than social security. It's very simple: When you're paying out more than you take in, sooner or later TSWHTF.

Our government is woefully inefficient and poorly managed at anything beyond throwing taxpayer's money around and there is no reason to believe that this will be some landmark law(And it will be a law) that changes everything for the better.

Too much faith in government can be a dangerous thing. It leads to complacency and I've seen plenty of it in the last 25, 30 years.

Meh this P.O.S. bill is exactly that! It is indeed just a bail out for the insurance companies. You need proof how about the fact that it forces people to be insured. Also, when people thought it would originally pass in congress and at each of the successful steps of this bill all the major insurance companies saw record great days for their stocks! That should tell you exactly who this bill will help! Look it up! It's a stinking rotten joke played on the sheeple of this country again.

Just got off the phone to my sister. She vociferously claims that the insurance companies were opposed to Obamacare and all this right wing opposition was just us misled idiots. It is people like her, crying for Single Payer that got that abomination passed. Who was deceived? the ptb really played us off each other on this one.



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She is very right,

Who got deceived? all those that were against the Public option because it was socialized health care.

The private insurance business did a great job misguiding people and lying to them infiltrating protesters to oppose anything that would not benefit them.

Now we are to be stuck with a mandatory HCR drafted by big insurance lawyers and still be gouged to cover for what Obama public option will be, Making Medicaid the biggest insurer for the poor and illegals at the expenses of states tax payers, so he can say that his HCR is covering every American in the nation.

What a joke.



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