Joseph Farrell - Roswell & The Nazi Connection

Joseph Farrell was on Coast to Coast Am this past March 14th for Roswell and the Nazi Connection.. Does anyone have this anywhere, maybe on youtube or another site like it? I missed it I am so mad and I do not have a subscription to Coast and honestly can't afford to get one at the moment.

If anyone has the full airying can you please message me! He is promoting his new book Roswell and the Reich.

Thanks...this was all I could find


www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...



[edit on 3/19/2010 by onepissedoffsaint]

reply to post by onepissedoffsaint


Yeah here's his new Roswell and Reich podcast interview:

www.thebyteshow.com...

reply to post by drew hempel


oh my goodness thank you!! It is 3am and I am poppin some corn and getting into bed! heh Thank you!!!!

Thank you again for the link .. guys everyone pick up Joseph Farrells new book! I had no clue about it.

Roswell and the Reich!

Also I found the Coast airing... here is #1 to get you started if your clueless to youtube check out the right pane lfor the other parts.

www.youtube.com...



[edit on 3/20/2010 by onepissedoffsaint]

(Sorry Mods a wee-bit off topic) Wow, it's really great to have such an appreciative ATS Member asking for and receiving some help, then twice saying thanks. As after another sincerely helpful Member, helped !!! Kudos to both.

Heres the torrent for it

www.demonoid.com...

reply to post by Decoy


sarcasm?

I'm not familiar with Joseph Farrell, nor am I a UFO guy, but my former boss once told me an intriguing experience he had with Werner Von Braun.

I was reminded of it over Christmas when my older son (home from college) asked, "Were there really Nazis in NASA?" The question came out of nowhere. Unprepared, I reacted by asking him where he got that idea? He said he heard someone named Richard Hoagland talking about it on Youtube. I'd actually met Dick back in the early nineties at the GRC when he put on a presentation about the Mars face. A colleague of mine, who was helping put on the event, introduced us. I found Dick's information interesting, but I wasn't prepared to give any unusual ideas much thought or attention back then. So the name was familiar to me, and I instantly assumed that Hoagland's discussion had not been light and airy. At any rate, my son dropped the question, sensing my non-responsive reaction implied, "No." But, it wasn't that simple. I felt badly about not answering his question. A few days later I gave him an answer closer to the one he deserved. A week or two ago I actually emailed Dick to relate to him what I told my son, what I'm posting here. As I reflected back I felt badly for not giving his ideas more attention. I've spent most of my life dismissing without serious consideration those ideas which didn't fit with my own. I read about a study recently which confirmed that humans are far more likely to believe evidence which supports what they already believe, and far less likely to believe equally sound evidence which doesn't. I don't know if Hoagland's ideas then or any he's had since are valid, I'm not familiar enough with them to say. But I felt a somewhat melodramatic need to apologize for my dismissive attitude. Perhaps this is an attempt to make amends, step 9 in a program of my recovery from being far too sure about the governance of the universe.

What I'm posting below is in large part cut and pasted from that email to Dick Hoagland, which in and of itself was cut and pasted in large part from something I'd written for myself last month. I began the process late last year of going through my old journals and converting notes into something I could share. I haven't gotten much down yet, but the exercise is therapeutic, and mostly enjoyable.

So, here is roughly what I told my son:

There were Nazis in NASA's early days, and I've learned things that make me suspect there still are.  They got us into orbit, and onto the moon.  I want to believe that's where it ended. I just hope they're not the ones taking us back to the moon, or driving us on to Mars.  The early influential rocket scientists within NASA were all former Nazis.  The official position was that they were only playing the game of politics in Germany to move their scientific research forward.  But some initially wondered if it was more than that, some worried the interest in that ideology lingered.  By the time the rocket program was in full swing, those doubts were pretty well forgotten.  I should say that Nazism is about a lot more than persecuting and killing jews, homosexuals, and the handicapped.  Nazism was a much larger political philosophy, and the persecutions weren't a universally supported part of those politics. Soon after I started at Lewis, my boss took me out for drinks to welcome me to Ohio.  At some point he asked how I got interested in space and I told him my dad had given me a copy of Von Braun's The Rocket's Red Glare and reading it I knew I wanted to build rockets.  My boss snarled, "Lousy kraut."  I was stunned to say the least, to hear the father of our rocket program and a near idol of mine so insulted.  "Do you want to hear a story about Von Braun?" Without waiting for my reply he started in... 

(continued from previous post)

[Obviously these won't be his exact words, but in feel and fact they aren't terribly far off. I took the liberty of making up the name of a magazine article below. My memory is keen and aided by my journal from that period, but both have limits.]

"Von Braun wore the meatball pin [NASA's logo] on his lapel for every launch, and at many PR and press events.  It was his good luck charm.  A member of his transplanted Peenemunde team had given it to him the morning of the first Mercury flight, and he wore it for the launch.  Mission successful, the ritual stuck.  Much too much was riding on each flight not to seek ridiculous comfort in rituals.  All of us were superstitious in those days.  Damned if I didn't wear the same Bulova watch for every flight, even after it broke and I had to wear a second watch on the other wrist.  Early the morning of one of the later manned Mercury launches I went to help Von Braun with a press event, to answer anything that came up related to my systems.  Technical problems with the PA system forced a slight delay, and we were waiting in an adjoining lounge for the event to start, just him and I. Only a few times had I been alone with him, and I always found the experience discomfiting. Luckily Von Braun sensed the awkwardness. He immediately took off his coat, put it on the back of his chair, and walked out of the room to get coffee.  An engineer came in a moment later to fetch us and lead us to the dais.  Trying to save time, I grabbed Von Braun's coat so he wouldn't have to come back for it. Running down the hall to find him, I accidentally dropped the coat.  Unconsciously I reached down, and as I picked it up a spur on the edge of the meatball pin hooked onto the carpet fibers, snagging the coat for a moment before the coat, but not the pin, pulled free. Stuck face down on the carpet, what stared up at me should have been the plain back of a dull silver pin. To my surprise, I was looking at a dull silver skull and crossbones fitting just inside the pin and roll clasp of the original pin.  With no time to waste on comprehension, and all my worry devoted to the press event and the subsequent launch, I just grabbed the pin, reattached it where I thought it had been, and continued down the hall.  On finding Von Braun, he seemed annoyed, grabbed the jacket, and we went to the press briefing.  Obviously I should have thought more about the pin incident, but it got lost among the seemingly more serious events. No more than a month later, though, I was at a bar reading a story in one of those men's adventure magazines that was popular at the time; "Escaped from the SS" was the title. I flipped the page and there in an illustrated scene of horror was an SS officer smiling charmingly, despoiled girl at his feet, his cap nonchalantly skewed, and upon that cap the skull and crossbones "death's head" logo of the SS. I felt sick.  How had I not understood it when I saw it on Von Braun's pin?  Out of context, in the commotion of my anxieties, I just didn't get it.  Now I did, and I began to consider what it meant that the head of our program wore this, wore it hidden in plain sight.  I had seen him meet with Eisenhower wearing that pin for Christ's sake, I had the photo to prove it.  I noticed later that he sometimes wore it more discretely pinned underneath his lapel flap; you wouldn't know the meatball pin was there unless you lifted up the flap. I considered the possibility that perhaps this was just another superstition. Perhaps this was his "lucky" death's head from his days launching V-2s. Perhaps some would have swallowed that story if he'd offered it, but no death's head ever brought luck to the slave labor at his Peenemunde, or to the Jews exterminated from the cities and towns throughout his Germany. If he still considered that a talisman of luck, then god help the man who has no luck at all.

(continued from previous post)

"It would take years before I knew for certain, before I could no longer deny his ongoing and active participation in Nazi ideologies.

"I stayed at the bar really late that night, and got really drunk.  I didn't know what to do, who to tell, who would care, or what would happen to them or to me.  By morning the alcohol had done its job and I had "forgotten" everything.  The memory of what I'd seen now felt fuzzy, the ominous meaning of what I realized now felt only like a nightmare from which I had awoken.  I must have been mistaken, somehow about something.  Over the years I saw many things which proved I wasn't.  But, I didn't tell anyone anything until years after Von Braun and all the other krauts were dead, retired, or both.  I waited until well into the shuttle years, and well into my last promotion.  When I finally did tell people, colleagues I trusted, nobody believed me.  So I stopped talking, if they weren't going to believe, then I could go back to not believing me, too.  So I don't care if you believe me now, but just don't ever mention him again."

I did mention Von Braun to him again.  I came to believe my boss.  I had discovered other things on my own.  And he told me things which fit too perfectly to be false.  And yet, I proved myself no better a steward of the truth than he.  Somehow I still refused to entirely believe it.  Cognitive dissonance got me through.

But, yes, there were Nazis in NASA, and I believe there still are.  Hoagland was right.

John

reply to post by onepissedoffsaint


The Nazi connection has been done before, and the USAF would have admitted it by now. There is no reason to cover up the fact that Nazi scientists were brought into the USA as Project Paperclip is common knowledge now.

Still, it is an interesting idea and what the Nazis had on the drawing board was intriguing. They just did not have the resources to make these things a reality or the war would of come to a quite different conclusion.

reply to post by AstroEngineer


That is fascinating =) I am eagerly, yet patiently, awaiting some more of your stories of working at NASA. Also, it is great to have someone with not just theoretical, but practical working knowledge of rocket technology. If you hang out on ATS enough, you'll surely find that such expertise is relevant for a great many threads!

Back on topic, regarding Farrell, I think his latest appearance on C2C is already covered in a previous thread. If not two or three.

Cheers

reply to post by Son of Will


Thanks. I should clarify, my particular expertise isn't aerospace engineering, but software engineering for aerospace. There's overlap, but the distinction is important. I've worked on (and led) software projects developing flight control systems for vehicles, as well as software which modeled the flights/behaviors of vehicles. But, there's a difference between implementing the logic and math provided you by the science teams in functional requirement documents and functional specs and actually speaking the aerospace language natively. At best I can "get by" in that tongue. That said, hobby rocketry has been at times an avocation; I've been involved in various clubs, sadly not everywhere I've lived has been conducive to launching the larger variety of home built rockets. So I have at times had to do some of the basic computations of flight myself, as needed to alter our propellant formulas and correct vehicle design.

I'm working a bit this weekend, but am hoping I'll have time tomorrow morning to finish relating the experience which marked the beginning of the end, or perhaps the end of the beginning. I was at JPL when a colleague of mine was working the Spirit glitch of January last year. He showed me what certainly appeared very strong evidence of faster than light communication. (I hesitate to use the word "proof" here, since as a scientist that term demands independent verification that was not possible. But it was effectively proven to me, by its repeatability, by our exclusion of other explanations, and by evidence we found which suggested it was intended.) Before you get the wrong idea, I am not invoking aliens here! This was surely our "stuff". But the event was significant because my notion that I was part of a largely transparent organization was severely damaged. If this existed and was deployed under everyone's noses, what else was (out) there?

John

Yeah that SS pin story is fascinating -- of course would tie right in with the Skull and Bones Yale club -- since Skull and Bones through the Bush dynasty was the biggest Nazi front in the U.S.

Yes von Braun personally supervised slave labor -- the Smithsonian did an expose on it back around 1998 or so.... I published this when I was a paid op-ed columnist at the MN Daily -- my last column title: "Truth Repressed by Psychic Vampires" -- in 2000. I stated that a graduate program director had praised von Braun as the cover story for the graduate program newsletter -- how von Braun got him his first academic job and how great von Braun was, neglecting to mention he had been in the Nazi party, much less personally supervised slave labor as an SS Major. There were some 1200 Nazi scientists brought to the U.S. focused on rockets and mind control through the CIA. Oh yeah that professor was pissed -- emailed me only the following threat:

"I will personally make sure you are never published in the MN Daily again."

Nice intellectual exchange that was!

Here we go:

www.nasm.si.edu...

The Rocket and the Reich: Peenemünde and the Coming of the Ballistic Missile Era. New York: The Free Press, 1995. (Paperback edition, Harvard University Press, 1996; German translation, Brandenburgisches Verlagshaus, 1997, 2nd ed. Henschel Verlag, 1999). Winner of the 1995 AIAA History Manuscript Award and the 1997 SHOT Dexter Prize.

Oh and a new book:

Von Braun: Dreamer of Space, Engineer of War. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2007. (Winner of the 2008 OAH Leopold Prize, Smithsonian Secretary’s Research Prize and AAS Emme Award; finalist for the Los Angeles Times Book Award for biography.) Paperback: Vintage, 2008; Danish and German translations: Schønberg and Siedler, 2009.

“Wernher von Braun, the SS and Concentration Camp Labor: Questions of Moral, Political and Criminal Responsibility.” German Studies Review 25 (February 2002), 57-78; “Response to Dr. Ernst Stuhlinger” in “Wernher von Braun and Concentration Camp Labor: An Exchange,” German Studies Review 26 (February 2003), 122-26.

[edit on 20-3-2010 by drew hempel]

Originally posted by drew hempel
Yeah that SS pin story is fascinating - There were some 1200 Nazi scientists brought to the U.S. focused on rockets and mind control through the CIA. Oh yeah that professor was pissed -- emailed me only the following threat:

"I will personally make sure you are never published in the MN Daily again."

Nice intellectual exchange that was!

Here we go:

www.nasm.si.edu...


I did not know the scope of operation paperclip but 1200 scientists seems like a lot of people to me they were not only rocket experts were they?

Interesting thread... im coming back to read later!

Nazis and Roswell.
Well ex Nazis perhaps from Paperclip who landed there on the good ship Von Braun.
That is if Von Braun worked on secret UFO saucer ships as well as Army rockets.
I think the Roswell area or New Mexico was designated for the US saucer construction.
So anyway with so many saucers flying around and new German foreigners, people
started to put 2 and 2 to equal who was responsible. So the CIA Intel service newly
inducted with ex Nazi Intel master minded the ET visitation to take the heat off the
people working on saucers. So far so good for the ET and perhaps profitable in it own
right or supported by interested energy magnates to hide the super ships.

Hi ATS friends,


This story rings true, either because it is, or because it brings forth certain facts which are true in as of themselves, even if they are incorrectly associated with the Roswell crash. Here is a posting I made here at ATS several years ago, showing what were allegedly the "scientists" imported to the USA after WWII. Actually if you are able to stretch the blinders enough to look at their photos objectively, you will note that they are actually the top tier of the Nazi Regime secretly brought to New Mexico by the US Government after WWII.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


That photo displayed prominently in wall size in the offices of top NASA former NAZI directors, was reportedly taken right after WWII in the Fort Bliss Army Base a few miles to the Southeast of Alamagordo New Mexico, a Stone's throw from the White Sands proving grounds. Certainly this western location is both near Mexico as well as clear across the State from Roswell New Mexico on the eastern flank. Yet it is not so far as to preclude some connection to the Roswell incident.


Why, might you very legitimately ask? Simply because the Nazi regime was an offshoot of an international movement to advance certain ideologies, with National Socialism under Hitler being just one manifestation. Another one was the Bush dynasty in the USA destroying most components of the republic built painstakingly by the country's Founding Fathers. There are countless others in the world, with Globalist Corporatism being another.


So what have we here? Nazi transfuses from a conquered Germany, or unfortunate allies who met with a setback, helping afterwards to advance a similar agenda with all their might? Calling this a Nazi or Neo-Nazi continuum is a gross simplification. The network extends beyond the borders of Germany, goes far further than the Aryan ethnocentrism of Hitler, and has objectives which are yet worse than those publicized about the Third Reich.


There might be a FINAL SOLUTION, but it is probably closer to what can be guessed from the UN's Agenda 21 - an organization founded by the Rockefeller family and which was once headed by Kurt Waldheim known for his Nazi war crimes. That would leave most of the USA, as well as similar dispositions for the rest of the globe, devoid of human presence.





ARE THEY CLEARING THE SURFACE FOR ALIEN OCCUPATION?


Getsmart

After the war many industries set to rockets and jet and met with poor results.
White Sands was the missile proving grounds where Von Braun was supposed to be.
Of course parts can be made in various places but assembled by the launch site.
Never heard of German Jet engineers and assume Von Braun became head of Army
rocket effort. In one informative story presentation about the jet development the GE
effort was terrible. What were all the big shots and numerous technicians and pilots
we do not know about because they worked on saucers. We will not be told only
about Roswell and aliens whenever it pleases the Illuminati to send out more press
releases.
Ed: Lyne was able to scour around New Mexico and find enough stories that tell of
German saucer trainers for pilots were in the towns and going across the border
to Mexico to have fun weekends. Guess saucer were not a priority also they were
not that dutiful for American projects. American engineers had to survive the missile
gap by holding out on gyro construction as the Cap Canaveral missiles exploded
after launch after launch. Then as new gyros were ordered the engineers went on
strike for benefits which they got in time before the government took the drawings
to another company as a sort of Illuminati pay back. I saw the building years back
used as a vault for fur coats.
ED; some posted video links are gone, here
is a youtube search

on Roswell & The Nazi Connect

ED++: