FINALLY - Firefighters for 9/11 Truth - powerful reasons for new investigation!

FINALLY - Firefighters for 9/11 Truth - powerful reasons for new investigation!

In the spirit of the new direction in the 9/11 forum, I would like to put forth this excellent short video by the founder of the relatively new "Firefighters for 9/11 Truth" organization:



What I found quite interesting was the direct quotes that Eric Lawyer makes from the official guide for fire investigations. If for no other reason, a new investigation is really quite mandatory, since the official rules for fire investigation were drastically broken, thereby invalidating the investigation. Since nearly all the evidence was destroyed, it will be harder to do the investigation, but in this case, those who destroyed the evidence should be brought forward to give account of why they did it, who told them to do it, and so on.

Also, from what we saw on the Jesse Ventura Conspiracies show, they are indeed keeping some of the steel in a hangar there in New York, so it may still be possible to analyze some of it.

Anyhow, here is a link to the site. They have lots of good information there, all from the perspective of firefighters, whose job it is to look at these kinds of things, particularly since it is claimed that the buildings came down because of fire.

Firefighters for 9/11 Truth Website

I look forward to seeing all the civil and respectful comments, regardless of whether you are an official story believer, agnostic, or atheist.


[edit on 14-3-2010 by downisreallyup]

And it really is a great thing that this forum will now become a place where reasonable people can discuss this extremely important topic... probably the single most important topic in our lifetime.

My compliments again to the ATS staff!

This has really already been covered in the " Eric Lawyer - Firefighter - 911 was a Criminal Coverup " thread.

So far as I remember, it was not established that the guidlines had been broken.

Can anyone list anycurrent FDNY members in this group?

Can anyone list any members of this group that was at Ground Zero on 9/11?

I didn't think so

Originally posted by downisreallyup

FINALLY - Firefighters for 9/11 Truth - powerful reasons for new investigation!

they are indeed keeping some of the steel in a hangar there in New York, so it may still be possible to analyze some of it.

Indeed - Powerful Reasons For A Real 9-11 Investigation!!!

The Sooner The Better!!!

Listen to real firemen - not the anonymous firemen wannabes who have a personal stake in covering 9-11 and the WTC demolitions up and hiding and censoring the truth and creating confusion.

Yes the stored WTC steel pieces are at Hanger 17 at Kennedy International Airport, and here is a rotating panoramic view with narration, which a person can control with three different areas to see and go to a full screen view.

Hanger 17 Panoramic Views

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Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Again you run your keyboard without looking at something first, just like you didn't look at my video before you wasted bandwidth by responding to it before watching it.

I'll take this one at a time... since you appear not to pay attention.

Let's look at Jim Osorio

LFD Rescue 1 - Acting Rescue 5 FDNY N/A
"I responded to this horrific incident with my fellow firefighters, and will always remember this and will never forget my brother and sister firefighters who responded and paid the ultimate sacrifice."

Did you bother to see how he responded? Well, I did. He was not and is not a member of the FDNY. He is a member of the Livingston Fire Department. What did they have to do with 9/11?

Just prior to September 11, 2001, the department took delivery of its' second aerial piece, a 93-foot American LaFrance Ladder Tower. Just days after the wet-down, the terrorist attacks of 9/11 shocked the world. In the aftermath that followed, the department's rescue truck covered mutual-aid assignments for FDNY's Rescue 5, based at the Clove Street Station on Staten Island. Rescue 5 had responded to the World Trade Center, losing 11 of 12 men that rode that day. Engine 5 from the Circle Station also covered for FDNY as they worked at Ground Zero, answering calls from the Watkins Street Station in the Brownsville Section of Brooklyn.

www.livingstonfire.org...



[edit on 14-3-2010 by ImAPepper]

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Jim Lundberg (was at ground zero)

Jim Lundberg

"I saw the dust and smelled the sulfur. There is no way that was a natural collapse."

Where does it say he was at Ground Zero? He could have been anywhere in Mahattan.

Anton Vodvarka New York City Fire Dept. (Retired) 15+ Years

John Keenan FDNY retired N/A

[edit on 14-3-2010 by ImAPepper]

Originally posted by _BoneZ_


Monica Perez Jimenez, ladder 3 FDNY




.....What a disgrace...

Bonez.... you called me a disgrace? Are you intentionally leaving out information:

"Monica" is listed on the "Other Signatories" and not a firefighter:

Monica Perez Jimenez, ladder 3
"In memory of FDNY Michael Carroll"

firefightersfor911truth.org...

[edit on 14-3-2010 by ImAPepper]

Originally posted by ImAPepper
Can anyone list anycurrent FDNY members in this group?

Can anyone list any members of this group that was at Ground Zero on 9/11?

I didn't think so

It not important if any of the group was at ground zero on 9/11. The topic of this thread is about how investigation workers believed the investigation was done poorly. To have improved credibility, the group should have at least one if not a few firefighters involved in the clean-up and investigation, not the 9/11 search & rescue operations.

ImAPepper, how important do you believe it was to the teams assigned to investigate the fire & collapse to do an exceptional investigation? Did they assign a fair level of importance to the investigation?

Originally posted by truthquest

It not important if any of the group was at ground zero on 9/11. The topic of this thread is about how investigation workers believed the investigation was done poorly. To have improved credibility, the group should have at least one if not a few firefighters involved in the clean-up and investigation, not the 9/11 search & rescue operations.

It is very telling that not a single current member of the FDNY has signed up for this group that has been around for a year now. The FDNY is concerned with getting appropriate health care for their injuries sustained from breathing the chemical soup. They do not care about conspiracy theories.

ImAPepper, how important do you believe it was to the teams assigned to investigate the fire & collapse to do an exceptional investigation? Did they assign a fair level of importance to the investigation?

There was an investigation. Sorry you don't believe it. Sorry it didn't suit your fantasy of DEW Weapons, Nano- Therm*te, or Mini-Nukes.

My point was that if those that were there thought it was a controlled demolition, they would have spoken up by now.

Originally posted by ImAPepper
Bonez.... you called me a disgrace? Are you intentionally leaving out information

In my defense, I copied the entire list and pasted it to notepad so that I could do a search. I didn't see her name was listed in the "other" catagory.


Further, it doesn't matter that those other FDNY firefighters are retired. You have no idea when they retired and they could've been firefighters on 9/11 and worked ground zero. Many firefighters and other first responders retired or resigned after 9/11.

It's too bad that I had to look at the list before you to get the names for you to find out who they are. I won't fall for that tactic again. Still a disgrace...

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

In my defense, I copied the entire list and pasted it to notepad so that I could do a search. I didn't see her name was listed in the "other" catagory.

Yet you omitted the "retired" words. You also omitted the words "In memory of."

You also FAILED to read into the New Jersey fireman that you claimed to have been FDNY.

It's too bad that I had to look at the list before you to get the names for you to find out who they are. I won't fall for that tactic again. Still a disgrace...

DO you want me to prove you wrong again, _bonez_? I actually did this research last night on another Forum.
forums.randi.org...

So... the disgrace here is that you were caught lying.



[edit on 14-3-2010 by ImAPepper]

It does not matter who is listed and what they used to do or still do.
What matters is that there are steps that need to be followed if you see certain things in a fire. Those things indicate that the fires were fueled by something else or that there were explosives involved(I'm talking about building #7 here). The point is that a proper investigation was not done, taking in mind that the signs of other things involved were there and the proper steps were 'ignored'.
Regardless of your belief in what happened that day you should be able to see that things were not done right and that people should be responsible for their actions or what they didn't do and were supposed to do.
I think that there are some people that just don't want to know the truth or don't want to see what will happen when it all comes out. I don't know why anyone would oppose another investigation, knowing that so many failed in doing their jobs and no one got in trouble for it.

Originally posted by ImAPepper
So... the disgrace here is that you were caught lying.

Firstly, omitting is not lying, that's why they're two different words. Secondly, I knew you'd go into your little tangent about them being retired yet you haven't the slightest clue when they retired. Just because they're retired now doesn't mean they were retired on 9/11. Therefore, their current retired status is irrelevant.

FDNY firefighters were still FDNY firefighters whether they worked on 9/11 or are working now. Retirement = irrelevant.

Originally posted by Elieser
It does not matter who is listed and what they used to do or still do.
What matters is that there are steps that need to be followed if you see certain things in a fire. Those things indicate that the fires were fueled by something else or that there were explosives involved(I'm talking about building #7 here). The point is that a proper investigation was not done, taking in mind that the signs of other things involved were there and the proper steps were 'ignored'.
Regardless of your belief in what happened that day you should be able to see that things were not done right and that people should be responsible for their actions or what they didn't do and were supposed to do.
I think that there are some people that just don't want to know the truth or don't want to see what will happen when it all comes out. I don't know why anyone would oppose another investigation, knowing that so many failed in doing their jobs and no one got in trouble for it.

What signs do you think were ignored please ?

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BoneZ, my question was directed to Elieser so I don't know why you are jumping in.

What makes you think I haven't considered the information you refer to ?

Judging by the tone of things here, I suggest people read this

##ATTENTION ALL 9/11 POSTERS- FORUM REJUVENATION##

Thanks for reading.

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