##ATTENTION ALL 9/11 POSTERS- FORUM REJUVENATION##

Ahh, you know there's something a bit magical about a ban early in the morning isn't there?

I'm just amazed at how many people on here think they can just get away with whatever they want, and that nobody takes notice.

Just look at all the bans from this thread, incredible.

In any case, thanks for the increased scrutiny and re-hashing of the rules. It was much needed.

I might now venture back into 9/11 discussion, but with a very fine tooth comb and the alert button at my side.

You can count on my help in alerting for this new set of standards.

~Keeper

Can someone have a look at the question I posted before the spam artist took over?

I'd be interested to see what evidence we have about the issue I mentioned.

Parallex.

Nice to see this happen, I was getting really annoyed with all the name calling and bashing and posts put up called "Truthers are Dangerous" it was getting rediculous and somewhat annoying coming here because thats what the posts were becoming were attacks on truthers and sometimes opposite, anywho, glad to see there are strict rules coming!

Now I may start to study up on the conspiracy aspect of 9/11. The very reason why I didn't, was because I was afraid to post most of the time. Or, when I actually did post, I would generally ask questions, and nobody would answer them, because they were to involved over their little feuds with other members.

For me, this is a GOOD thing.

[edit on 14-3-2010 by TravisT]

Way to go mods!

I dont mind a civil argument. I actually kinda like it . We just had a long discussion on creationism/evolutionism/ both the other day. Both sides put forth opinions and experiences. Both sides attempted to shoot the other one down.

EVERYONE REMAINED CIVIL!!!!

Unreal isnt it?

This is going to clean up a ton of trolls that do nothing but "anti-post" after everyione. That gets old.

Personally, I've always figured these were a higher percentage of Feds than common folk (I could be wrong).

Regardless, thanks for your efforts and givem hell!

So as a person who has been warned for my insulting language in the past,I am careful to try to have what I write be educational and try to make it funny,way I roll.

My question has to do with alleged paid disinfo posters.I'd like to come up with a shorthand non insulting 'handle' for 'em,like Truthers,Trusters and...?APDIP?DIP?(AllegedPaidDisInfoPoster)The word'alleged'covers a lot of a** but is it enough?Calling 'em "you'se guys" works but is too non-specific.Is it the 'paid'part that is the issue?

Not mentioning them at all is an option,I suppose.Similarly,I now have no less than the top five of these guys on ignore,but as long as this 'shunning'is incomplete,not everyone having 'em on ignore,it just cuts me off.Seems like more of that.Ignorance on my part.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by intrepid

 

Wasted my time reading this, why did this make the front page I still don't get. I get it, I get it, but couldn't you send this U2U wise?

Because alot of the 12,000 u2us it would go to only a few hundred would need it.
It being on the front page the people who are intimately involved with the 9/11 forum would see it.

So u2u'ing everyone would be senseless and i would consider it spam..

I am sure this is hitting the right people.. The whole team from both sides seem to be converging on this post here. which is a good thing if you ask me.

Alot of the main hitters like True American, and BsBray, Myself, Dereks.. all of the rest.. So everyone is seeing it even though they are not being vocal about it.

Anyway I guess its cool this is going on again.. I remember the last time though it went hot for a bit and whined down..

I am one who never visits this forum.

I am very glad at the direction taking place. And to clarify, I do not stay away from this forum for fear of being called names. I stay away because when I first started reading threads - it seemed the focus of the threads were each other and NOT the topic. This is extremely annoying for a person who would like to come to this forum to LEARN about the 911 conspiracy. I don't care who thinks so and so is a disinfo agent or what they do outside of ATS. I care about mature thoughts and ideas and theories and of course facts, if they can be presented. It is up to each of us to decide what we believe is truth based on information made available. And if what one deems is truth and doesn't coincide with what another deems as truth, so be it. That is everyone's prerogative. And all of this is impossible when members continue to focus on each other and not the topic of the forum.

Though it may not bother me or someone else, being called names for voicing an opinion that goes against the name caller - fact is, it bothers others. And this should never be allowed on ATS anywhere. People should never be afraid to voice their opinion for fear of being attacked and called names. This is NOT the environment that ATS is about.

I look forward to now taking a peak inside this forum and maybe start learning about one of the biggest conspiracies in my life time.

reply to post by Parallex

Does this have anything to do with the CIA department that was set up to specifically combat proliferation of 9/11 theories and gathering of evidence to support said theories?

As noted in the OP, this has to do with:

We have gotten many complaints and observations from members that they would like to post in this forum but don't because of fear of being attacked by either side of this issue or both.

To accomplish this the staff is going to implement a ZERO TOLERANCE policy towards anything insulting or derisive.

Not much more to it. Pretty cut and dry.
People can post whatever opinon on the topic they wish. Just stop the attacks of other members. Debunk the response, not the person who responded. This is not a witch hunt to find out who could be this or that outside of ATS or why they are here. Discuss the topic, and the topic only.

[edit on March 14th 2010 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by Parallex

Does this have anything to do with the CIA department that was set up to specifically combat proliferation of 9/11 theories and gathering of evidence to support said theories?

 

As noted in the OP, this has to do with:

We have gotten many complaints and observations from members that they would like to post in this forum but don't because of fear of being attacked by either side of this issue or both.

To accomplish this the staff is going to implement a ZERO TOLERANCE policy towards anything insulting or derisive.

Not much more to it. Pretty cut and dry.
People can post whatever opinon on the topic they wish. Just stop the attacks of other members. Debunk the response, not the person who responded. This is not a witch hunt to find out who could be this or that outside of ATS or why they are here. Discuss the topic, and the topic only.

[edit on March 14th 2010 by greeneyedleo]

Perhaps the ugly atmosphere of the 9/11 forum and name-calling may very well have something to do with a “vigorous countermisinformation establishment*” . Cointelpro was used to "misdirect, discredit, disrupt and otherwise neutralize "specific individuals and groups.

Misdirection – check
Discrediting – check
Disruption – check

But, then I also know from personal experience, that people can become angry if confronted with information which contradicts their world view and core values. Instead of checking the information they become emotional and aggressive. Why someone would willingly expose himself to a forum, to become emotional and aggressive on a daily basis is beyond my understanding.

*a term used by Sunstein & Vermeule in their paper Conspiracy Theories
papers.ssrn.com...

I agree with this of coarse, BUT we still need the freedom of speech to call people out on their posts.

For example in one 9/11 thread somebody was making post after post discrediting actual fireman that were on the scene. I then looked up that posters post history, EVERY single post & created thread on ATS was on 9/11 topics.
And guess what they were doing? It really makes me wonder what their purpose posting at ATS, really is?
I called that person out, and then promptly put them on ignore.

That freedom MUST still exist in the 9/11 forum or ATS will have gone too far in censoring freedom of speech.



[edit on 14-3-2010 by Blue_Jay33]

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


No one is going to stop anyone from pointing out something that is wrong and civilly explaining why it is.

The key word there is civilly.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
I agree with this of coarse, BUT we still need the freedom of speech to call people out on their posts.

For example in one 9/11 thread somebody was making post after post discrediting actual fireman that were on the scene. I then looked up that posters post history, EVERY single post & created thread on ATS was on 9/11 topics.

What if the person is only interested in 9/11 conspiracy? Is it compulsory to get involved in other sections when you have no interest in them? Imo no, every person have their own views and preferences in subjects/ topics.

And guess what they were doing?
I called that person out, and then promptly put them on ignore.

That freedom MUST still exist in the 9/11 forum or ATS will have gone to far in censoring freedom of speech.

There is freedom to discredit the material but you are wrong to think you can discredit a person. Any statements against a person should not be allowed simple, if you have valid points present them and discredit the other persons statements. If you dont want to view a person's posts simply put on ignore.

It truly is amazing what a divide and conquer issue 9-11 has turned out to be.

Regardless of who perpetrated the crimes they no doubt have to be pretty pleased over the truly divisive outcome it has caused in dividing the populace into two often bitterly opposed camps.

Whether you believe in the Official Story or feel there is more or much more to the story debating and arguing your contentions in derisive and divisive fashion literally only serves to defeat us all in my humble opinion.

There was a time in the American internal political debate where people could agree to disagree. They could do it civilly and manners and decorum and a sense of propriety were individually and collectively more valued than simply being right.

Conversely it could be said America’s fortunes have steadily declined along with and at a similar pace as civility, manners, and decorum and propriety. It could be argued that these are the lynchpins that make a society functional and prosperous and that society degrades into being dysfunctional and impoverished with out them.

Good manners and politeness will open a lot of doors and a lot of ears, many more than any battering ram and it’s a proven fact people are more likely to strain to listen to a whisper and pay better attention to it than they will a shout.

It would seem to me none of us have all the answers as none of us has access to all the information.

Wanting to be right for the sake of simply being right is a pretty foolish endeavor in my humble opinion. It takes a pretty big person to admit when they are wrong, but the biggest people of all realize the more they know the less they understand and there is always room within them to learn and to want to learn more.

How does any society learn? Through one another, and ideally what they are learning is not bad manners, and the creation of counter productive chaos but how to learn through and from one another.

Like everything that’s important when we need manners, and decorum the most is during those most passionate moments and circumstances in life when we are least desirous of using them.

Using them then requires real self discipline and a real presence of mind and the kind of intellect that ultimately is going to serve one just as well if not better than a sound or fact based argument.

Its not always what you say but how you say it and ultimately what we are seeing here in this thread are people actually defeating themselves through attempts to reject manners and decorum. That certainly doesn’t say much for credibility or one’s arguments and one might wonder whether such things are born of a deep seeded insecurity or matched with an overwhelming need to dominate to hide those insecurities.

Sadly like so many other things in the left/right, and up/down and black/white divide 9-11 has been turned into a team sport.

It’s been turned into a team sport through some great Machiavellian contrivance and while emotions and base passions prevent most people from seeing that, perhaps it might be better for some to remember the age old adage of…

“It’s not whether you win or loose but how you play the game”

Play nicely with others and chances are they will always play nicely with you!

reply to post by December_Rain

There is freedom to discredit the material but you are wrong to think you can discredit a person. Any statements against a person should not be allowed simple, if you have valid points present them and discredit the other persons statements. If you dont want to view a person's posts simply put on ignore.

Yes, but I should have the freedom to say WHY in ONE post I feel the need to use the ignore button on a poster without name calling.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Yes, but I should have the freedom to say WHY in ONE post I feel the need to use the ignore button on a poster without name calling.

Why?

For the drama?

To feed your ego?

To make them feel small?

Why not just put them on ignore and move on with your life?

What difference does announcing to someone that you aren't going to see any more of their posts make to anyone else, or to them? Its not like they are going to stop posting or change their whole philosophy because you put them on ignore.

Drama announcments are needlessly confrontational, and pointless.

reply to post by neformore


...and off-topic.

Your opinion, evaluation, speculation, about another member is irrelevant. Address the topic, not the member.

WooHoo! Way to go! I'm happy to have read this post, it is nice to think that MAYBE we can ALL discuss things like adults. People should be happy to use their brain for thinking instead of shreiking insults for once. woohoo