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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by trueperspective
reply to post by SaturnFX
Not only is this probable, but the most logical explaination of a common history of the flood story.
[edit on 4-3-2010 by trueperspective]
Really...really...
ok, most logical explanation then =
if we build a tower, we can become godlike in power, threatening the very power of the one true creator...how high must said structure be before we get superpowers?
And if we build it too high, God will freak out and split us up again and once again corrupt our language...just come right down from cloud city and start shifting people around...
So, the concept of a flash global warming flooding many areas of the world makes no sense to you...which is basically forcasted to happen yet again, but somehow a diety becoming scared about a big building makes logical sense...
ok...sure...
incidently, do "bible people" also believe in mole people on the moon due to the holes here and there?
4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.” 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built. 6 And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.”
Originally posted by CHA0S
Well...it is possible it was once a ship...it's like a "fossilized" ship...but there's no reason it has to be Noah's Ark...who knows who might have built it...but others have said, it certainty would come close to holding two of every species...
Originally posted by trueperspective
He is talking about their abundance of idolatry and immorality.
How do you know anything is true past 150 years ago? You read about it in books, and you place blind faith that whomever wrote those books told the truth
So my point is, you have blind faith in all of history as it is told.
However, as it relates to religion most agree you have only one shot to get it right. Because when your dead your either dead, or your something else, I really hope you are correct whichever way you chose.
and let us make a name for ourselves
lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth
Originally posted by Schmidt1989
Haha this is a joke. Assuming that natural formation were a ship, surely it's too small to fit every living and ever-have-lived creature.
Edit to add: You want a solemn moment? Lie on your back this summer and look at the stars. Nothing calms the mind more. (nor boggles it for that matter! )
[edit on 3/3/2010 by Schmidt1989]
Originally posted by Schmidt1989
Haha this is a joke. Assuming that natural formation were a ship, surely it's too small to fit every living and ever-have-lived creature.
[edit on 3/3/2010 by Schmidt1989]
Originally posted by shagreen heart
Originally posted by Schmidt1989
Haha this is a joke. Assuming that natural formation were a ship, surely it's too small to fit every living and ever-have-lived creature.
Edit to add: You want a solemn moment? Lie on your back this summer and look at the stars. Nothing calms the mind more. (nor boggles it for that matter! )
[edit on 3/3/2010 by Schmidt1989]
a weak and unneccessary comment. your sunday school would like you to believe all the world's animals didn't drown in the flood, but the flood only affected this region of the world and the epic didn't ask anyone to save them either.
if you don't know there is a huge suppression and willed ignorance of all these sumerian tablets and stories. things get too real for people and with their council of nicea, supremely edited and watered down god fearing beliefs. scientific minds my ass.
Originally posted by sphinx551
Seriously?
People really think that the Noah's Ark existed and the story of Noah's Flood is true?
[edit on 3-3-2010 by sphinx551]
The earliest extant flood legend is contained in the fragmentary Sumerian Eridu Genesis, datable by its script to the 17th century BCE.[citation needed] The story tells how the god Enki warns Ziusudra (meaning "he saw life," in reference to the gift of immortality given him by the gods), of the gods' decision to destroy mankind in a flood—the passage describing why the gods have decided this is lost. Enki instructs Ziusudra (also known as Atrahasis) to build a large boat—the text describing the instructions is also lost. After which he is left to repopulate the earth, as in many other flood legends.
After a flood of seven days, Zi-ud-sura makes appropriate sacrifices and prostrations to An (sky-god) and Enlil (chief of the gods), and is given eternal life in Dilmun (the Sumerian Eden) by An and Enlil.
[edit] Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)
Further information: Epic of Gilgamesh
The "Deluge tablet" (tablet 11) of the Epic of Gilgamesh in Akkadian.
In the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, toward the end of the He who saw the deep version by Sin-liqe-unninni, there are references to the great flood (tablet 11). This was a late addition to the Gilgamesh cycle, largely paraphrased or copied verbatim from the Epic of Atrahasis[citation needed] (see above).
The hero Gilgamesh, seeking immortality, searches out Utnapishtim in Dilmun, a kind of paradise on earth. Utnapishtim tells how Ea (equivalent of the Sumerian Enki) warned him of the gods' plan to destroy all life through a great flood and instructed him to build a vessel in which he could save his family, his friends, and his wealth and cattle. After the Deluge the gods repented their action and made Utnapishtim immortal.
[edit] Jewish
Main article: Noah's Ark
The best-known version of the Jewish deluge legend is contained in the Book of Genesis (Genesis 6–9). Its date of writing is unknown, somewhere between 1450BC and 450BC. Two non-canonical books, the Enoch and Jubilees, both later than Genesis, contain elaborations on the Genesis story.
Genesis tells how "...the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, 'I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am grieved that I have made them.'"[1]
God selects Noah, a man who "found favor in the eyes of the Lord"[2] and commands him to build an ark[3] to save Noah, his family, and the Earth's animals and birds. After Noah builds the ark, "all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened"[4]. Rain falls for 40 days, the water rises 150 days, and all the high mountains are covered.[5] On the 27th of Cheshvan of the year 1657 from Creation, "the earth dried" (Genesis 8:14) completing the 365-day duration of the Great Flood. The ark rests on the mountains, the water recedes for 150 days, until the waters are gone and Noah opens up the ark. At this point Noah sends out a raven and then a dove to see if the flood waters have receded. Noah and the animals leave the ark, Noah offers a sacrifice to God, and God places a rainbow in the clouds as a sign that he will never again destroy the Earth by water.
The apocryphal 2nd century BCE 1st Book of Enoch adds to the Genesis flood story by saying that God sent the Great Flood to rid the earth of the Nephilim, the titanic children of the Grigori, the "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis, and of human females. The book of Jubilees is an elaboration of the Genesis account obsessed with chronology (it promotes the idea that history is based on a 49-year cycle, the biblical "jubilee".)
[edit] Islamic
The Quran tells a story similar to the Judeo-Christian Genesis flood story, the major differences being that only Noah and few believers from the laity enter the ark. Noah's son (one of four) and his wife refused to enter the ark thinking they will manage the flood by themselves. The Quranic ark comes to rest on Mount Judi, traditionally identified with a mountain near Mosul in modern Iraq; the name appears to derive from the local name of the Kurdish people, although this is not certain.
[edit] Asia-Pacific
[edit] China
There are many sources of flood legends in ancient Chinese literature. Some appear to refer to a worldwide deluge but most versions record only a regional flood - a number of them have a theme of men taming floods caused by hostile nature gods, some based on historical events.[6]
* Shujing, or "Book of History", probably written around 500 BCE or earlier, states in the opening chapters that Emperor Yao is facing the problem of flood waters that "reach to the Heavens". This is the backdrop for the intervention of the famous Da Yu, who succeeded in controlling the floods. He went on to found the first Chinese dynasty.[7] The translator of the 1904 edition dated the Chinese deluge to 2348 BCE, calculating that this was the same year as the biblical flood[8]. In fact, the Mideast flood legend (including the biblical flood) was erroneously linked to a flood mentioned in the Sumerian king list, which was actually dated to 2900 BCE.
* Shanhaijing, "Classic of the Mountain & Seas", ends with the Chinese ruler Da Yu spending ten years to control a deluge whose "floodwaters overflowed [to] heaven".[9]
* Chuci, Liezi, Huainanzi, Shuowen Jiezi, Siku Quanshu, Songsi Dashu, and others, as well as many folk legends, all contain references to a woman named Nüwa. Nüwa repairs the broken heavens after a great flood or calamity, and repopulates the world with people. There are many versions of this legend.[10]
The ancient Chinese civilization concentrated at the bank of Yellow River near present day Xian also believed that the severe flooding along the river bank was caused by dragons (representing gods) living in the river being angered by the mistakes of the people.
[edit] Lao (Indochina)
Legend of Khun Borom.
[edit] India
Incarnation of Vishnu as a Fish, from a devotional text.
Matsya (Fish in Sanskrit) was the first Avatara of Vishnu.
According to the Matsya Purana and Shatapatha Brahmana (I-8, 1-6), the mantri to the king of pre-ancient Dravida, Satyavata who later becomes known as Manu was washing his hands in a river when a little fish swam into his hands and begged him to save its life. He put it in a jar, which it soon outgrew; he successively moved it to a tank, a river and then the ocean. The fish then warned him that a deluge would occur in a week that would destroy all life. Manu therefore built a boat which the fish towed to a mountaintop when the flood came, and thus he survived along with some "seeds of life" to re-establish life on earth. Hindu religious tradition holds the Bhagavata Purana to be one of the works of Vyasa written at the beginning of Kali Yuga (about c.3100 BCE).
[edit] Andaman Islands
In legends of the aboriginal tribes inhabiting the Andaman Islands people became remiss of the commands given to them at the creation. Puluga, the god creator, ceased to visit them and then without further warning sent a devastating flood. Only four people survived this flood: two men, Loralola and Poilola, and two women, Kalola and Rimalola. When they landed they found they had lost their fire and all living things had perished. Puluga then recreated the animals and plants but does not seem to have given any further instructions, nor did he return the fire to the survivors[11].
[edit] Indonesia
In Batak traditions, the earth rests on a giant snake, Naga-Padoha. One day, the snake tired of its burden and shook the Earth off into the sea. However, the God Batara-Guru saved his daughter by sending a mountain into the sea, and the entire human race descended from her. The Earth was later placed back onto the head of the snake.
[edit] Australia
According to some Aboriginal Australians, in the Dreamtime a huge frog drank all the water in the world and a drought swept across the land. (Tidalik — this story originates from the Murray-Darling riverina of New South Wales and Victoria. The Murray-Darling frequently experiences drought-flood cycles lasting up to years at a time, linked to El Niño/La Niña events in the Pacific) The only way to finish the drought was to make the frog laugh. Animals from all over Australia gathered together and one by one attempted to make the frog laugh. When finally the eel succeeded, the frog opened his sleepy eyes, his big body quivered, his face relaxed, and, at last, he burst into a laugh that sounded like rolling thunder. The water poured from his mouth in a flood. It filled the deepest rivers and covered the land. Only the highest mountain peaks were visible, like islands in the sea. Many men and animals were drowned. The pelican who was blackfella at that time painted himself with white clay and went from island to island in a great canoe, rescuing other blackfellas. Since that time pelicans have been black and white in remembrance of the Great Flood[12].
Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
The ARK has been in front of you the whole time. It's not in turkey. Mt ararat was the last mountain to explode, so everything rested when it did or that is to say upon it.
The problem is, they slipped in the word wood in the early 1700's because of a translational error. In hebrew a G and a K look almost Identical.
Gopher, should of read Kopher which is Limestone. Gopher Wood doesn't exist and the word is only used once in the bible.
Because they couldn't figure this out, they used a Greek word that looked close to the Hebrew (makes no sense) and added WOOD to it, turning it from just Kopher to Gopher Wood with the greek meaning Ceder, hence the addition of wood.
Moses, who wrote the Pentateuch, was an Egyptian. His stories are Egyptian including the "Ark".
The building instructions to noah follow.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ca720ecb1fed.jpg[/atsimg]
Peace
PS When read in the Hebrew it is not 300 cubits, rather 3 each of 100 cubits, by 50 cubits to 1 cubit above with a rise of 30.
These are not actual lengths rather God is using a just scale...RATIO, so that the dimensions transfer equally.
Noah (rest) and his sons were charged with building an ark and that is why you find them all around the world only with different motifs, but the same basic structure...Pyramid or ARC.
Peace
[edit on 3-3-2010 by letthereaderunderstand]
Almost all the other Bible translations use the word cypress, cedar, or gopherwood in describing the wood used in the construction of the Ark. Although cypress wood is often used in the place of gopherwood the two terms are not equivalent. The Hebrew word for cypress is Tirzah, #8645. If the translators of the Bible wanted to say cypress they would have used the word cypress just as they did in the book of Isaiah 44:14 (NKJV). He cuts down cedars for himself, and takes the cypress (Tirzah) and the oak; he secures it for himself among the trees of the forest. He plants a pine, and the rain nourishes it.
Another common word that is used in the place of gopherwood is the word cedar. Once again there is a Hebrew word for cedar erez, #730) that could have been used by the translators. This word is used more than 67 times in the Old Testament where it is translated cedar tree, cedar timber, and cedar wood. A good example is found in the book of I Kings 6:9 (NKJV). So he built the house, and finished it; and covered the house with beams and boards of cedar [�erez
Obviously, the word gopherwood used in Genesis 6:14 cannot be interpreted or translated as cedar, cypress, or any other type of modern-day wood. Thus one can see that Biblical scholarship is silent on the meaning of this word.
Similarity to Other Hebrew Words
Although the word gopher (#1613) only appears once in the Bible, there are some Biblical words that are very similar to the word used for gopher. The word for pitch that is used twice in Genesis 6:14 (KJV) is translated from two closely related Hebrew words. Make thee an ark of gopher [#1613] wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch [#3722] it within and without with pitch [#3724].
These Hebrew words are shown in Table 1. Notice that the words for gopher, kaphar, and kopher are all very similar in their English translation, in their Hebrew spelling, and in their pronunciation.
Hebrew
Pronunciation
Strongs #Lexicon Definition (Note [7])
Gopher
go-fer
1613
Cypress?, gopher, gopherwood, wood of which the ark was made, meaning and exact type unknown.
Kaphar
kaw-far
3722
To cover, purge, make an atonement, make reconciliation, cover over with pitch.
Kopher
ko-fer
3724
Price of a life, ransom, bribe, asphalt, pitch (as a covering), name of a plant.
Table 1. The similarity between the Hebrew words translated gopher, and pitch in Genesis 6:14. [The Hebrew word for brimstone (Genesis 19:24, etc.), gophreeth, #1614, is derived from gopher, #1613.]
The Hebrew Names Version of the World English Bible (Note [8]), which uses Hebrew names and words in the text for clarity, has an interesting translation of Genesis 6:14. Make a teivah of gofer wood. You shall make rooms in the teivah, and shall seal it inside and outside with kofer.
The word for gopherwood and the word for pitch are very similar. The word kopher comes from the root word kaphar (see Table 1), kaphar is often translated atonement (Leviticus 16:6). This was similar to the effect that pitch or kopher could have on the surface of the material it covered. It would have a covering or purging effect, which is what atonement, means in a spiritual sense. An Old Testament play on words is taking place in Genesis 6:14. The word kopher meant to cover, protect, purge, and atone for sin. The very similar word gopher, which was wood covered with pitch, would imply the same in a physical sense. The gopher wood (pitch covered wood) would cover, protect, and purge any harm directed toward the family of Noah by the rising floodwaters. The gopherwood was a type of atonement barrier. It pictured the protection and salvation of Jesus Christ through his payment of his life as a ransom and atonement for humanities sins.
This atonement scenario and the similarities between the Hebrew words in Genesis 6:14 seem to indicate that the word gopher and gopherwood are closely related to the word for pitch. In other words, the word gopher wood is not a type of wood but a wood process. Specifically the process of using pitch or bitumen combined with wood. It has often been assumed that the pitch process applied to the wood may have been only on the sides, that is the inside surface and the outside surface of the ark. In actuality, the pitch process would have been internal as well as external. Since atonement must take place not only in the outward actions of a person but also in the heart, the analogy would be complete with gopherwood having an internal coating of pitch.
Originally posted by liveandletlive
Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
The ARK has been in front of you the whole time. It's not in turkey. Mt ararat was the last mountain to explode, so everything rested when it did or that is to say upon it.
The problem is, they slipped in the word wood in the early 1700's because of a translational error. In hebrew a G and a K look almost Identical.
Gopher, should of read Kopher which is Limestone. Gopher Wood doesn't exist and the word is only used once in the bible.
Because they couldn't figure this out, they used a Greek word that looked close to the Hebrew (makes no sense) and added WOOD to it, turning it from just Kopher to Gopher Wood with the greek meaning Ceder, hence the addition of wood.
Moses, who wrote the Pentateuch, was an Egyptian. His stories are Egyptian including the "Ark".
The building instructions to noah follow.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ca720ecb1fed.jpg[/atsimg]
Peace
PS When read in the Hebrew it is not 300 cubits, rather 3 each of 100 cubits, by 50 cubits to 1 cubit above with a rise of 30.
These are not actual lengths rather God is using a just scale...RATIO, so that the dimensions transfer equally.
Noah (rest) and his sons were charged with building an ark and that is why you find them all around the world only with different motifs, but the same basic structure...Pyramid or ARC.
Peace
[edit on 3-3-2010 by letthereaderunderstand]
I’m interested in more information on this subject. I have never heard this and I thought I was well versed on the subject.
Originally posted by franspeakfree
reply to post by DarkspARCS
Wow, where do I start?
If Noahs ark does infact exist and indeed that 'they' have found it then we have to assume that there maybe something to the 'holy bible' after all. However, until we know for absolute certain that it does exist, and can be proved as such, I will remain an atheist and reitterate my opinon that the religions that exist on this earth in our time are nothing but a tool in order to control a large amount of people..
Originally posted by vonholland
Originally posted by Schmidt1989
Haha this is a joke. Assuming that natural formation were a ship, surely it's too small to fit every living and ever-have-lived creature.
[edit on 3/3/2010 by Schmidt1989]
Well sir, the bible says two of every kind, not two of every animal. Im no expert, but I believe that means two for dog, two for cat (not species of cat or species of dog), and that, in modern classification (which could have been different than past classification) this could mean up to the "family" level of the classification.
Thanks for listening and considering this