NYPD Officer says Quotas used for arrests

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Hahahaha!
That was just too funny.
Maybe they'll start enforcing 'mandatory donations.'

reply to post by v3_exceed


are you saying the swat team doesn't get more money than your average cop? i coulnd't say for sure but i'd imagine they do. you can't ask cops to storm crack houses and get paid 40k a year. it's just not gonna happen. i dunno what other alternatives you're presenting but at least i'm stepping out of the "point your finger and hope for a better world" mentality.

reply to post by gheybayten


As far as I know, cops are not paid more to be on the SWAT team. My nephew is a cop, on the SWAT team, and it seems to be more of a prestige thing, because one must be highly skilled, and pass tests in a variety of areas. Even things like rapelling off buildings. However, he does have opportunity to make more money, due to additional hours worked.

This group went to New Orleans to volunteer after Katrina, for example, and they were "on the clock" from the time they left, until their return. They were not just paid for eight hours a day while they were there.

Of course, it might be different in other areas. They are paid differently according to rank. Patrol officers are on the bottom rung, but even they have a chain of command, which also varies in pay scale.

This proves what i say about police. A person who becomes a police person is literally mental. You have to be stark raving mad to be in the. To want to destroy and murder peoples lifes for no reason what so ever.

Police = psychos of society.

reply to post by andy1033


Actually, my nephew has two college degrees, and considers law enforcement as a "helping profession", as do I.

Perhaps you would like to give it a little more thought.

what if every single one of us joined the force.

what the hell would they do then?

Star and Flag this everyone.

A friend of mine was arrested in Florida. Did absolutely nothing. 100% clean record. He was put in handcuffs for six hours, charged with "resist w/o violence."

Something needs to change and it needs to happen fast. America is becoming a police state.

I know there are some cops on here who have denied this before, and I would really like to hear their input.

Originally posted by calstorm
I know there are some cops on here who have denied this before, and I would really like to hear their input.

It's funny, the cops on this forum are usually all over stories like this but, it looks like they don't want to touch this one with a ten foot pole.


Could this be proof that there really IS something to this story and that this is happening all over the country?

Well as many know I am a LEO and will say this. I cannot speak for the NYPD as I do not work there and don't know whats all going on within that department.

If it IS going on in the NYPD, then the NYPD needs to address it. 9 years as a LEO I have never been ordered to meet a quota. I worked in PA and now in GA and no department that I worked near ever MADE their officers go out do what these guys are saying had to be done.

Now lets keep some rational thought to this as well. When they are being told to meet quota's are they being asked to "make up stuff" or are they being told to NOT use officer discretion and arrest even for the most minor offenses. Reason is, obviously "making up" charges to meet stats is something I find sickning and the command staff of any department forcing their guys to do that SHOULD face criminal charges. If they are saying DON'T cut anyone a break, arrest or cite for anything and everything, then (even know its stupid), it is 100% legal, since the laws are on the books.

I think that is what needs to be determined. If they are writing tickets for j-walking and other BS charges, they are still within the parameters of the law and it just sucks for the citizens. If they are walking up to guys and citing for disorderly conduct because the guy was sitting on some steps and someone had to step over him or something, then this is a MAJOR issue.

You may not like it, hell I don't like it, but again whats really going on up there is the argument. Reading the article it sounds like the command staff of the NYPD are a bunch of Aholes who probably have less street experiance then most officers, are good at taking tests, and think their way is the only way....I promise you this, the day I am ORDERED to meet a 35&1 quota, is the day I walk away from that department.

I hope if they are out "making up" charges the officers and people go to the mayor and have that command staff removed.....its NYC for goodness sakes, a good officer can go find someone committing a crime without looking to hard I would think....just my opinion...lol

reply to post by LurkerMan


Lurker, I'll put in my two cents for the cops, although I'm a FED and I don't have to worry about writing tickets. The idea of a quota system is flawed on every level. I can personally vouch for my agency and state that we have NO QUOTAS. However, it is painfully obvious that that is not the case with local or even some state agencies. The reasonings behind the quotas varies; padding statistics, generating revenue or tying to battle laziness. Of all those reasons, as a manager I can sympathize with the last one. However, that is not a valid means of dealing with complacency. By imposing quotas, all you accomplish is to put excess pressure on the officers to meet their performance requirements. Rather than being able to observe their assigned areas and make note of things that are out of the ordinary, they have to take the time to go hunt out obscure, or worse, non-existent, violations of the law and pursue those.

So, to summarize, I don't agree with imposing quotas. It undermines the officers' ability to perform real, preventative police work.

reply to post by JWH44


I appreciate the cops. After all they are constantly putting their lives on the line for us to be safe. There is one thing that bothers me about your post however. You don't mention anything about how rough it must have been for the innocent people that have been arrested simply for quota reasons. Now those people have records....some may have already had and some may not have had. The point is they do now. Good luck to them getting that job they may have needed to feed their family.See what I mean.


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Your point is well-taken. I am not ignorant to the fact that many lives have been ruined by false accusations and arrests. I have no doubt that there are innocent people on death row. I also have no doubt that a number ten-fold higher than that have walked free for crimes that they are guilty of. It is a system that has many flaws and it is a never ending battle to find a perfect solution.

The quota has been around for quite a few years, aat least since ive had my drivers liscense, 17 in 1992. Around where i live, in southwest CT, he cops are pretty cool actually, but upstate CT, they have a reputaion for being like florida cops, racist and discriminatory. A friend at work, from bangledesh told me back around 2005, a greenwich CT cop puller her friend over...he is muslim and also from bangladesh. They asked him to get out of the car...as far as i was told, his car was registered, legal paper work, liscense, insurance ect...and they beat him becuase he got a little feisty in wanting to know why he was pulled over and asked to step out of the car. He ended up with some bad nightstick bruises on his arm.
I asked her "why didny he sue, go to mayor, senator report this" her answer, he was afraid they would rememebr him real good if reported, and he did in fact, email and call CT senator and governor....NO response emails or phone calls. They dont care, in fact thier prob in on it too. Too busy electing who gets the biggest raises and tax breaks than being concerned over a vicitim of the city and state police.
I kinda think, we do have quotas around here yearly, but its usualy in summer time, when they set up DUI checkpoints...last year a street off route 1 i use to go to work, was set up late afternoon time. The thing is...the officers were NOT dressed up as officers...their were 2 guys with vietnam style boots on, black shirts, and black co op like pants on, kinda like military pants but without the camoflauge. and they had shades on...sungalsses. I suppose to hide their identy.
A guy at work who knows cops, told me a cop thats been hanging around our parking lot( i know his name) told him a story of how slightly uncommon it is, police plant crack, coc aine on people to make an arrest. and no one cares...becasue now your in the system,....it takes lots of money and one damn good lawyer, which prob wont save you. as far as the law is concerned, iff yuor found with drugs, but it isnt yuors, yuor screwed....that seems to be the consensus of local cops.