A Strange Feeling as of Late...

A very symbolic journey indeed,

It is a personal story of a man using south american plant teachers as a means in which to heal.

You can see that in the beginning stages of his journey he steps into the middleworld consciousness from the vantage point of his body, eventually venturing entirely into the lower world (subconscious), to then merge simultaneously with lower and middle world where a spirit comes to him and shows the epiphany that allows him to heal his younger self and disarm his fears. Through this process, he then reaches the upper world (Super-consciousness) and as a full multi-conscious being he enters the road to source. leaving behind all memory and ego with a last thought before the mystical death "But...I dont want to die..." The road to awe beckons.

The makings of a very powerful shamanic journey, rich with symbolism, initiations and leaving behind that which no longer serves us.

The darkness of the worlds are merely a reflection of him, so I would be interested in hearing your opinions on the unsettling nature of the symbolism.

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Why is it nearly every spiritual new age videos on you tube make no sense what so ever? Theres never a message its always music and vague refferences to things.

Anyway off my box get, no new dreams my way everything quiet so far.

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After thinking about it for a bit, I still cannot find the proper words to express why the video left me unsettled. I understood that the imagery was a reflection of his inner workings, but perhaps the video resonated more deeply with me than I originally thought, and maybe that is the reason that it left me feeling unsettled. I wish I could explain it, but alas, I cannot, so I won't try. I wish I could send you the feelings I got from it over the internet, because, really, that is the only way that I can properly convey what I felt.

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Klain, I agree with you almost 100% Many of the New Age videos on the 'tube are nothing but fanciful, flowerchild-esque garbage. I saw something different with this one, however, and the song in the background was one I have used many times when doing my meditations, so I enjoy listening to it when I get into my personal Zen. I'm slowly working on all the data, and I'm really hoping that by sometime after Christmas, I'll have some charts and graphs to show for it. It is quite the daunting task that we're undertaking, but I'm glad that I have you to handle the web-data portion of it.




Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

Originally posted by truthseeker1984
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After thinking about it for a bit, I still cannot find the proper words to express why the video left me unsettled. I understood that the imagery was a reflection of his inner workings, but perhaps the video resonated more deeply with me than I originally thought, and maybe that is the reason that it left me feeling unsettled. I wish I could explain it, but alas, I cannot, so I won't try. I wish I could send you the feelings I got from it over the internet, because, really, that is the only way that I can properly convey what I felt.

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Klain, I agree with you almost 100% Many of the New Age videos on the 'tube are nothing but fanciful, flowerchild-esque garbage. I saw something different with this one, however, and the song in the background was one I have used many times when doing my meditations, so I enjoy listening to it when I get into my personal Zen. I'm slowly working on all the data, and I'm really hoping that by sometime after Christmas, I'll have some charts and graphs to show for it. It is quite the daunting task that we're undertaking, but I'm glad that I have you to handle the web-data portion of it.




Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

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Yup no problem, I'm still alive and kicking and I'll definatly develop it some more soon, hopefully it should be finished on Sunday but I cant put a date on it just yet. However I can say firmly that it will be finished by the new year.

Peace,

Klain

Originally posted by klain
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Why is it nearly every spiritual new age videos on you tube make no sense what so ever? Theres never a message its always music and vague refferences to things.

Anyway off my box get, no new dreams my way everything quiet so far.

This video is about the ancient teachings, I dont consider it new age at all.

There are always messages in everything - if you perceive something as vague then it simply does not resonate with you. The groups I belong to understand this message very well and it has brought many of us to tears.

This video is a journey that few have taken, but many will come to know very soon.

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It reminds me of the Dark Night of the Soul ritual. That's what I couldn't put my finger on before. Some people become more enlightened after taking part in that ritual, and some are never the same again. I have thought long and hard for many years about undertaking such an endeavor, and yet I do not have the intestinal fortitude to undertake such a life changing ritual.

I'm not referring to the mostly Christian view of this event in one's life (as I am not a Christian). Rather, I'm referring to the act of stripping away all layers of my gifts, all rewards, and all benefits, to find the knowledge that I seek. I think in some ways I might already be experiencing this particular event, but not to its full potential, nor its full impact. I know that in some Pagan traditions, especially some that are practiced by Wiccans, The Dark Night of the Soul is more than just the mindset of being in a dark place in one's life, but it is a ritual that will bring about this darkness, so that one may be built back up in way that makes them stronger spiritually than before. My cousin is a lone witch, and she has offered many times, along with friends from another coven, to perform this ritual with me in an attempt to get at the heart of the matter, and to seek knowledge of what is going on in the world spiritually.

Anyway, that just popped into my head and I had to come on and share it with you.



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

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This is stuff I've not read about before, can you tell us what a Ione witch is? What is the genesis of the Dark rituals?

Are these types of things people could only experience if they were looking for it, or could someone stumble across it?

Originally posted by amc621
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This is stuff I've not read about before, can you tell us what a Ione witch is? What is the genesis of the Dark rituals?

Are these types of things people could only experience if they were looking for it, or could someone stumble across it?

My understanding of the concept "Dark night of the soul" is as follows;

When you are within a state of mind where the world is falling apart, everything you hold dear as possessions and relationships seems to be crumbling around you, everything is wrong, everything is ruined, theres nothing left! Then the sun sets, and you are left alone to wimper in the darkness of the night and in those moments, maybe you aren't consciously aware of it - but part of you remembers your authentic self - once all the clutter and distractions are distant.

This video is the story of a man who purposely enters a dark night scenario by traveling deep into the jungle and taking indigenous medicine which completely changes your state of consciousness, there is nothing left for reference except the notion of who you really are.

Quite often the road to this awareness can be very painful, horrifying, agonizing, but it blooms into a gorgeous flower of understanding.

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Exactly. Most times it is a state of mind, but the rituals that I mentioned can be used for a forceful entrance into this darkened state of mind. For only when we are as small as a grain of sand in a vast ocean, can we begin to build ourselves back up to be a mountain. Like I said, this is the thought that came to mind after watching that video again. This man forcefully faced his demons and now he will be stronger than before, both physically and spiritually.


AMC- A lone, or solitary witch is a Wiccan that chooses to practice "the craft" by themselves without the aid or support of a coven, although my cousin does consult with a coven in her area when she needs the extra support. She has been a Wiccan for as long as I can remember, and she has been on my counsel of "spiritually attuned" people for many years. I meet with this group only when the spiritual energy is so strong that it cannot be ignored. I met with them back in March or April of this year when the air was so thick with energy that it just could not be ignored. I take advice from people of all faiths because I believe that every religious faith has good bits and pieces in the whole spectrum of understanding.

As far as this ritual goes, it is either a state of mind (which in your clinical cases could show signs of severe depression without the cause or traditional symptoms of such), or can be induced, as I have said before. I don't share rituals that I have picked up over the years. It is my belief that it voids the effectiveness of them.

Mother Theresa was one of the most "famous" of the sufferers of this state of mind. Her Dark Night of the Soul was a state of mind and was not induced through rituals or "natural" causes. It lasted from somewhere around the 50's all the way up to her death in 1997. She did feel relief toward the end of her life.

The theory behind this state of consciousness is that one goes through an existential breakdown where they feel disconnection from "the source" whether that be God, Allah, or whatever deity the worshipper worships. Prayer and meditation fail, and the spiritual connection that they once felt with their deity is no longer there. However, like I said, only when one feels complete darkness, can one build one's self back up.

Like I said about clinical diagnosis, severe depression can be a side effect of being under this new state of spiritual consciousness. Remember how I talked about the emotional self and the spiritual self? The spiritual side of things can sometimes cause emotional side of things to suffer. That's how I look at it anyway.


Anywho, that's it for now. Much love all.



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

Afternoon folks!

I've been away for faaaaaaaar too long and just limping back onto the boards after my only experience of REAL flu - not the Man-flu!
Life has picked up pace very quickly for me recently, mainly with work, which has needed my constant attention, which has annoyed me quite a lot.

I say this because at the minute, the only meditation or stillness that I seem to only have the time to partake in is at night when I gladly flop into bed. As tired as I seem to feel, my body rests, but my mind/soul is constantly looking and searching for what's at the end of the string I seem to be unravelling.

I've mentioned it in a few past posts, but now it's standard for me to 'meet', as it were, on the astral, with something or someone and be held in a kind of waiting room only then to find myself being given information by again, something or someone. I'm not meant to understand it all yet, I believe I will, in time. It's exciting in a way to look forward to this interaction (even if it's only 1 way), and my hunger and my contentment with my path are growing at the same time.

However, I think it was last week, when the usual feeling of going across a certain astral pathway suddenly changed. I was shown a tall chain-link fence stretching off into the distance for a few meters. On this fence quite close to me was a woman with her back to the fence, both arms by her side, holding on and her legs bent with the soles of both feet flat against it in a wierd stance. I hope I've explianed that right and the only reason I have is because it's been puzzling me. Anyway, we spoke (sort of), in that she let me into her mind and told me there was something wrong. When she did, I saw a kind of 'double' of her try to separate itself from her, but it couldn't quite do it. The double looked at me and the word 'self' appeared.
I explained that she needed to let go of it, but she would need to trust me - that I was only there to help. She let go straight away and the double came away and onto the ground.
I told her to follow it so she got off the fence and kind of gave me a hug, even though we didn't touch.

I very rarely experience this kind of contact (apart from Tragic's Egyptian guide, and even then I was only an observer). Was it any of you folks? Particularly the ladies among us..?
The connection we all have is incredible, and maybe subconciously one of you has asked for help and I (as we all are) am only to happy to do so. I was called to that person, I hadn't set out with a goal.

Again, sorry for the lack of posting. I've really missed all of you. I'll reply more when I catch up with the thread.

Oh, and a big welcome to new posters!

Much love...

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So if I'm reading this right, someone can be in a bad way, but there is no stumbling into the rituals?

Originally posted by amc621
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So if I'm reading this right, someone can be in a bad way, but there is no stumbling into the rituals?

Can you rephrase your question? I'm not sure what you are asking me.



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

It's a very interesting point you brought up, truthseeker.

The ritual you speak of is not confined to esoteric beliefs. At times, and very often rather, it happens naturally, not only to those who subscribe to esoteric studies, but to the common man. One DOES stumble into it, on free will.

Our civilisation and culture is largely based upon the belief of confidence, that each and everyone of us can make it in life. We see role models every day achieving the dreams others reached and played up often by the media - press, hollywood, adverts. Thus we believe each and everyone can, and aspire to it.

Unfortunately, what the media failed to show are those who failed, despite several times and only focussed on the successors, inspite of their many failures.

Failure in life is real. At some point of time, every human will feel the crumbling of the world that they believed in, helped built up, and with faith fervantly presume the outcome will be a success. But unfortunately, just as Statistics had proven IS NOT SCIENCE, there is the element of FATE involved.

And fate derives from the consequences of actions that we do, that may lead to success or failure. Choose a wrong path in the belief that it is right, and hell break loose. We determined our fate, by subscribing to statistic.

When all hell break lose, and the walls comes crumbling down, those beliefs are shakened, defeat stares at our face, something that is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE to human kind, due to their upbringing and influences during their formative years.

But defeat is a reality eventuality when every Murphy's law hits home. You will be down, depressed for a period of time, a long time. And in that time, you will only survive on your savings and basic instincts with the will to live for many, to seek an answer to all the disasters in one's personal journey of life.

While in that enforced comtemplative state, many thoughts go through one's mind, both the negative and the positive. Some will attempt to use the negatives as answers to their woes, and vengence against all are the cards to be played, embued with the intensity of the flame that burns within.

Others instead will seek out the brighter sides and realised that they are miniscule in the scheme of the Universe. With it comes humility and humbleness, as well as realisation that they are nothing and had been following a wrong path to acheive that peace of mind, which only lays in the further realisation of the reality of truths, bestowed upon our generations by our forefathers and ancestors who had gone on that path earlier, and left records of the mistakes make so that we may correct them to achieve that serenity with this gift of life.

Such is the free will of mankind, bestowed upon humanity by our Creator, whom is known by many with many different names and in different forms, for we were never meant to be unfeeling mechanised robots, but evolved creatures of reason and logic to further His aims for the Universe.

The ritual you speak of is but a phase which some will pass through in one's journey of life, paid with free will, that we individually may know what needs to be done for evolution of our race, and more specifically, to those we loved and whom loved us.

George Lucus may had been a ILLUMINATed human being in the best short description of what I had written here with his Starwars movies to educate mankind. There are lighted side and darkside to the powers of free will given.

It is free will, and nothing can change it except for the realities we see before our eyes on what we do and had done with it while in our mortal form, to correct or to continue on. It is only the law of the Universe of which it expands or contracts, laws that were set in motion so that chaos will not reign, but if it does, it is only due to one's or a group's choice that ultimately affects the whole.

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Can someone stumble into a dark ritual AND come out of it better??? I understand about people finding a Dark place without a ritual.

Originally posted by amc621
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Can someone stumble into a dark ritual AND come out of it better??? I understand about people finding a Dark place without a ritual.

I think you misunderstand the meaning of the Dark Night of the Soul. It can be both a state where you are devoid of spiritual connection, where you feel like your deity has abandoned you, you feel lost, etc., or it can be a ritual that can be induced to cause the same effect. It's not an "evil" ritual, if that is what you are thinking or implying. It is a way to see deeper into one's own soul by stripping away all the "extras," ego, possessions, etc.

I'm sure you've heard of people hitting "rock bottom" in your line of work. This particular spiritual event is the spiritual equivalent of hitting "rock bottom." You also know, being a counselor, that once someone hits "rock bottom" they have nowhere to go but up. It's a sink or swim scenario, and all the person is left with is themselves and their thoughts. Some people choose to undergo the Dark Night of the Soul intentionally because they feel unfulfilled in their spiritual lives and need to see deeper into themselves. And then there are those that are affected by the Dark Night of the Soul without going through a ritual. My example of Mother Theresa is a good example. She didn't ask to go through this event intentionally. It happened to her because of the pain she saw in the world (at least in my opinion). She began to question her values, her service to her god, and her service to humanity. Yet, she persevered through her personal darkness, to continue her mission of helping the weak, sick, hungry, and poor.

To recap:

In my opinion there are two versions of the Dark Night of the Soul (both lead to the same place):

1) The person suffering from this spiritual melt down did not ask for it, nor want it.

2) The person induces this state of spiritual consciousness through either "natural means" (mind altering plants), or through a ritual involving meditation and other things (which I will not elaborate on....trade secret).

The purpose, either induced or stumbled upon, is to tear one's ego down, to break one down to the point of seeing nothing but the void, the darkest place that one can be. Only then, can one truly understand what one's purpose is. Released from all outside wants, fears, needs, material possessions, etc. visions can become clearer.


I hope that helps clear things up.




Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

This weekened has infinite potential.

I feel a very energetic energy flowing through the air.

To be honest, it feels like everyone is sexually energized and are looking for ways to share that energy with other people.

the only thing I know is my prototype finally was praised and I got a great grade for it.
More than 5 days without sleeping, more than 100 USD spent on that thing... I didn't reach the final runway but finally I got what I deserved: a perfect grade..
And I'm finally on summer vacations ! welll, dunno if I can call "summer" to this thing, coldest summer in years. Usually by this time of year I'm wearing summer pajamas and sleeping with the window open, and I still have my electric blanket on the bed...

Now I can center more in my spiritual path again. From a normal work to a spiritual work, it sounds great.

Originally posted by SolarE-Souljah
This weekened has infinite potential.

I feel a very energetic energy flowing through the air.

To be honest, it feels like everyone is sexually energized and are looking for ways to share that energy with other people.

in this forum? You must be talking about somewhere else because I haven't seen the first sex thread... not that I've been looking or anything.

I saw what i think must be some kind of weird blimp, but it sure didn't look like a blimp. I'm thinking about making a thread about it or maybe i will just go down to the airport and ask them what the hell that way. surely they must know/have seen it.

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Monday is a triple event of astral importance.

Winter Solstice - Full Moon - Total Eclipse.

This has not happened for over 500 years.

Lots of energy swirling around this weekend.

The amount of synchronicity I am having in this moment is astounding.

I mean like damnnnnn thats synchronous types of things.

I'm excited. How about all of you?