Fresh heroin warning after 2nd London anthrax case

Fresh heroin warning after 2nd London anthrax case

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British health authorities repeated a warning to drug users on Monday that a batch of heroin contaminated with anthrax was probably circulating in Europe, posing a potentially serious health threat. Skip related content
The Health Protection Agency said a second case of anthrax had been confirmed in an injecting heroin user in London, adding to two previous cases in England, 24 in Scotland and one in Germany.

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Hmmmm.

Seems this is a bit more prevalent than was first thought.

Smack users in West Europe and much as main continent should be careful and alert for symptoms.

Not in a panic way but i suspect many heroin users/abusers will scoff and consider it scaremongering.

It's a classless addiction, used as much by upper classes and celebrities, actors etc, as deprived housing estates.

As much as it may seem 'scaremongering' there's no way to know if a batch is contaminated unless sending samples to a lab', so maybe it's time to leave this substance alone a bit, denial in this instance could be fatal even though using a low dose of the drug, infected is infected!



If you know an addict, make sure they are aware this is happening.






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I have no respect for anyone that uses that drug. It is a plague and it makes you an absolutely worthless human being (literally). Has anyone here ever seen anyone with a heroin buzz? They can barely move or speak, all they can do is salivate on themselves and vomit everywhere. Then they will do anything (and I mean anything) for their next fix. I'm sorry, I wish these people a hopeful future of sobriety, but as long as they are on heroin I cannot respect them even enough to tell them of an additional anthrax risk when the OD risk is what it is. They know the Heroin will eventually kill them, yet they still do it.

Well after clearing the dribble from my keyboard i just had to say that i have been a Heroin addict for ten years now, not all of us are the same but believe me i do like to get a good nights sleep once in a while.

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Never seen the point in it myself, it's not an entheogenic, doesn't attenuate mind or spirit, it locks energies up as well as the mind, well does to me anyway so i don't bother.

But bruv, while this crap is out there, make sure people know.

That night's deep sleep may turn out to be ultimately more costly than you bargained for while the contaminated batches are out there.

Leicester is only a few hours up the motorway from London, not a stretch to say contaminated smack could end up there, you know the coo matey, natrional distribution wise.

Make sure people know.

Peace.

I would begin to ask where does one get weaponized military grade laboratory produced anthrax? If the Taliban put it in the drugs to get even with the Great Satan, then where did the Taliban get weaponized military grade laboratory produced anthrax?

If it wasn't the Taliban then no matter who it was that mixed it into the heroin, where did they get weaponized military grade anthrax?

Something about this story from the very beginning has not been right and sooner or later I feel we are going to find out that more anthrax exists and as it shows up in certain places, take note if the government was in anyway already prepared for such an anthrax attack.

I also ask why would anyone place anthrax into heroin? I mean its not your typical terrorist target. Well, time will tell and I for one hope it's not some clue that a major anthrax attack is being planned with weaponized military grade anthrax because no matter what happens, I am still going to be asking where did the military grade anthrax come from if not from the government or military itself?

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Im pretty sure anthrax can be found naturally. im no scientist.(obviously..) There is a risk of anthrax from animal skin drums, which are often brought as souviners in africa

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I am still going to be asking where did the military grade anthrax come from if not from the government or military itself?

No kidding. You can be sure Joe Drug Dealer on the street corner isn't responsible for lacing heroin with a little anthrax he happens to be carrying around in his pants pocket.

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I like the way this news article completely skirts the issue of WHO has the capability of contaminating heroin with a substance like Anthrax. It's not like the stuff can be purchased at the pharmacy by just anyone.

The more disturbing issue is ignored.

There are way too many outcomes here, to just point at one so I will try to address two.

Anthrax is common/natural, part of longterm dried cow and livestock dung.
So IMO it could be that the field owners just used tainted fertilizer, or just began letting livestock, roam the fields.

If it was done purposfully, I could see and understand the why, just not the who..
The why, would be easy, by going wirth something from the black market, you easily get around federal/international shipping guidelines and such.

Thats the fastest way to get to the most population, by using only one method, it would do more damage than an explosion, as far as its reaching power that is. "in theory"

Originally posted by NightGypsy
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I like the way this news article completely skirts the issue of WHO has the capability of contaminating heroin with a substance like Anthrax. It's not like the stuff can be purchased at the pharmacy by just anyone.

The more disturbing issue is ignored.

Indeed.

I'm not convinced this isn't something deliberate myself.

But as i articulated in this thread posing the question "Why would Terrorist put Anthrax in Heroin drugs?"...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I would rather have thought, if deliberate contamination, it would be Cocaine, which is more commonly snorted so into nasal membranes and lungs, so more effective infection with Anthrax over the tendency to be combusted as with "Chasing the Dragon" with smack although it is more melting the powder so may not kill Anthrax, not sure, but i'd have thought it would render it ineffectual.

As well, Cocaine is a more popular social/recreational drug and a contaminated batch could be directed towards certain groups which would present a more desirable objective to harm by terrorists.

So while i'm not convinced it's naturally occurring, if terrorists vectoring a pathogen using a drug were to use Anthrax, i'm not convinced it would be Heroin and i would suggest terrorists would not use non transmittable Anthrax in the first place, so i have to go with experts as in the item, it is naturally occurring in those instances of recent deaths from Anthrax.

I would have thought using social drug use as a delivery mechanism for vectoring a pathogen, it would involve an engineered transmittable pathogen with a longish incubation period where infectees would be travelling around infecting many others to maximise efficiency of attack and would have considered Cocaine would be the drug used to vector such an engineered pathogen.

Unknown quotients here of course, are who has died and importantly, has the Anthrax actually been analysed to check whether it's a naturally occurring strain, or lab' tech'd Anthrax?

The latter information is a big indicator for sure and we may never be told, 'news' items on this merely indicate such is so, none say is definate and has been analysed, merely conjecture and however i consider it unlikely terrorists, whatever, are deliberately contaminating Heroin as per my reasoning on this, it should be properly analysed and results disclosed.

Whatever the case, one thing is for sure, those partial to or hopelessly addicted to Heroin need to be aware this is happening, where's and whyfors of how are secondary considerations in regards to end users, they need to be aware this Anthrax is present in batches available in West Europe and Central Europe and infected is infected, if they become affected and ignore it, it will kill them.

Peace.


[edit on 2-3-2010 by DeltaPan]

first thing that came to my mind was how Russians are annoyed about Afghanistan growing heroin productions & how they have complained to USA about it but they won't do a thing. What if Russian security forces are contaminating heroin shipments to cause fear among the user & hurt CIA money making machine?

After giving this subject matter some time to digest I think I have come up with an idea that I would like to share as to how Anthrax could end up in a batch of Heroin located in London.

I began to think that if someone in high position among the British were to place a special order for some heroin. Then someone on the terrorist side found out about the special order for someone high up on the target list of all terrorist. They would use the heroin mixed with Anthrax only in an intended and targeted effort to kill someone or perhaps a group within the British hierarchy (Civilian, Military or Royal family)that used their influence to place an order for some Heroin.

In this way those providing the special order heroin for those secretly requesting it could commit an attack against select British targets by means of the very vice that allowed for someone to use such an order to attack its intended high ranking civilian, military or Royal Family users.

In such a way no one would suspect "black on black" activity being played out in the drug world, committed by the mutual cooperation of the terrorist that control the growth and production of heroin for the worlds consumption. Mix in their insider knowledge of those requesting the special order of heroin and you have the makings of a good conspiracy.

Even if those targeted now know they were set up and now know that their contact is linked to those that used the incident to organize an attack, in order for such a ploy to be used, the stakes would have had to be very important and for that matter the drug dealer probably isn't in on the operation as much as the supplier of the heroin most likely is involved in using the heroin to get to some key insiders that have let their vices be known to those that would use their vices against them.

We may never know why someone put Heroin in Anthrax, but I still do not forget to ask myself, how did weapons grade weaponized Anthrax get in the hands of either terrorist or drug dealers? It even could have been some aircraft crew member getting a laugh at swapping out some heroin for some Anthrax which he just happened to have to put in the place of the heroin taken. Who knows, but it is indeed a question that I hope gets answered before someone throws the entire batch into the water supply to get rid of it.

That is what concerns me and something tells me we may just see more of this Anthrax being used in and around London and if we do, we will probably be able to gather more clues that might answer the question of why someone would put Anthrax into Heroin drugs.

Let's not forget that the most pressing question is how and where did terrorist or drug dealers get Anthrax if not from the military or intelligence agents playing the game. Those military sources could include the Russians, Chinese, Americans, British, and or anyone that has a source of weaponized military grade Anthrax. In fact, the Anthrax should be able to be tested and the testing should reveal who produced the Anthrax.

This last point is why this article of Anthrax in a batch of Heroin is more important than most realize because it points to some larger future attack incident which has yet to occur.

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You have a good understanding of an established stratagem.

And you have a good point, which is why i'd like to know who those who've died are, a list of names, much would be discerned, or not, were we to know who, it would indicate whether targeted or not and any likely agenda, or not.

Peace.


[edit on 2-3-2010 by DeltaPan]