The 'Mentally challenged' posting on Alien ATS forums

I would just like to add my 2 cents here:

I am a student of Psychology, working towards a Psy. D and have experience with the types of disorders being referenced here. While I am not trying to diagnose or use "armchair psychology," there are many posts I read by members that are clearly schizophrenic. I do not mean to be insulting, I am in a field where "help" is the best word I can use to define my purpose. I'm merely stating, as Maybe...Maybe Not had mentioned, that I see the stories of certain posters and find myself genuinely concerned for their well-being. Being a part of this community has the potential to progress their illness.

With that said, I fully believe that UFOs and even aliens are real. I am a member of this site because I'm drawn to the intelligent debate that goes on here. I've lurked on this site for years now and finally decided to make my own account. My point is such that this is a place for rational speculation based upon potential evidence for the existence of intelligent extra terrestrial life.

It is distracting and (quite honestly) often scary to see some of the semi-coherent ramblings of persons that are clearly in need of proper psychiatric care. It detracts from the site and blurs compelling threads with delusional misinformation.

Should these individuals be filtered? Honestly this is not black and white. It is their right to post here, although, I can tell you factually that participating in these kinds of topics, for a paranoid schizophrenic, can progress and actually worsen the disorder. But I agree with the OP in the sense that it is a problem that unfortunately plagues this website and more importantly raises a level of concern for me each and every time I encounter certain posters fitting within the parameters of mental illness.

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Originally posted by NightVision

Originally posted by psyko45

Answer me this....Why use any label whatsoever?

By your criteria, when a person breaks the law because of their illness, we should just drop the 'criminal' label because we risk hurting their feelings.

Perhaps that is your mental illness you speak of?

ookkkkkk....whooa there Nelly. You totally lost me. DIdnt realize this was about running a red light. Whatever though.



Perhaps what?

Ive already admitted my mental state is challenged. Or are you just trying to draw attention to it so that it may present you with some sort of gratification? If thats your thing I suppose Im happy to be of assistance.

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Why dont you post some links then Doc. Give us some examples, reference some behavior. Dont do it to directly insult anyone, just use your medical knowledge to educate us on the finer points of recognizing this menace?

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You might want to check the profile of soainengaged, joined 5/28/2010 and has posted 0 threads. You might want to compare his style of writing with that of NightVision.

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Examples of posts that i skip:

1) No paragraphs.
2) No dots or commas.
3) Constant typos.

Reading this board long enough, you start to know who believes too easily and who think they know all too well.

There are also a few people whose posts I simply cannot read because I don't understand what the # they're on about. And certain new-agey-types.

Originally posted by NightVision
I created this thread to pose a discussion on some recent threads here that seem to have no basis in reality.

the logic here is refutable.

i'm not afraid to play the "devils' advocate" here ...

if the threads have no basis whatsoever in reality, then how is it your reality created such statements/threads?

the same minds that are conditioned to percieve patterns are also contributing to the creation of such patterns.

patterns in language as well:

phrases that are comprised of identical ingredients:

Star Trek Capt. wi
Patrick Stewart

be with roswell
whistle blowers

the great pyramid
tetrahedra pi gym ....... (tetrahedron is the shape of the pyramid)

to end mental rape
a lone department

directive: act mental
time travel accident

just because we consciously only see the words for left to right
doesn't make us totally literate, nor fully capable to always write
what we have seen with our own eyes, lights in the stars' night

are you sure they are the labels you extend
are you sure the doctors profits don't spend
there may be more truth in science fiction pretend
the the controlled information the news chooses to lend

edun [reversed] nude
boots [mirror] stood
shower [mirror] rewash
trophy [mirror] effort
traffic [mirror] ciffart = (see i fart)

UFO buffs want DISCLOSURE ...

DISC LOW? SURE!
disclosure

anagram:
where god is
gee, words. hi!


if humanity was enslaved/drafted as an interpetational tool
who in the end would deny that they had played the fool?


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Originally posted by debris765nju
reply to post by psyko45

 

You might want to check the profile of soainengaged, joined 5/28/2010 and has posted 0 threads. You might want to compare his style of writing with that of NightVision.

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Wow, that's pretty weak.

Originally posted by NightVision
As a disclaimer, I do believe we are being visited by ET life. But how do we draw a line here? I feel these people are mentally sick and need help.

Wow! Strong words! Well, there's a thin red line between sanity and insanity! Which is indistinguishable in most cases!

So what you're implying is that guys like Budd Hopkins, Yvonne Smith, S Greer, David Jacobs, Hoagland, and people in organizations like MUFON etc are all mentally sick and need help? Some do, like Greer but many are perfectly normal people.

So you can't tar everyone with the same brush! There are undoubtedly, phenomena that are still yet to be unexplained. If you believe that we are being visited by aliens then shouldn't you be placed in the same category too?

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Maybe the only definition is that if the person is not feeling mentally well, then he's sick?

It doesn't really surprise me that mental health problems are on the rise because the western society has become so sick that it's impossible to adapt and keep your mind.

perhaps we define "mentally challenged" differently, but ...


i would define "mentally challenged" as someone who can not prove without a reasonable doubt that they know where they came from, nor where they are going .....

and with no basis for reference of where they are, they expect me to take there posts seriously as 100% irrefutable fact.

@ the OP
I think Alison Kruse and her supporters are suffering from a variance of bipolar disorder and several other disorders to schizophrenia itself. In my experiences with UFO's i would never provide a photo or video if it was crap; knowing i would be looking like a fool. I agree with you and i enjoy stories no matter how outrageous at times but i also hate to feed some poor nutters ambitions by giving them the attention they crave. As for poor sentence structure that can be from lack of eduction not so much schizophrenia. More often these people are just ignorant when making a post. I myself make typos and mess up times. I do not approach posting as making an essay out of it. But with loons the lack of logic is the most obvious.

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"Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do".
-- Steve Jobs, US computer engineer & industrialist


Regards to all

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Those words are not Steve Jobs' himself, but created by Rob Siltanen, a guy from an advertising company.

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And who made you the judge and jury?

How do you know which is a real incident and which is a hoax or delusional rambling?

Metally challenged?

Very demeaning and your belligerent post really irks me.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you now want more censorship on ATS.

Some people out there that are "mentally challenged" or in your opinion are "delusional" just may have the piece of the puzzle that might explain more of what is actually going on.

Talk about conspiracy, more and more people like yourself that want censorship and to dictate who and what can be posted on ATS are coming aboard.

Can you say disinformation agent at work.

One thing I have learned in my many years on this ball of dirt is that sometimes, some of the most outrageous stories have turned out to be fact.

Just take care of your own posts, pick and chose which you want to visit (your choice) and try and play nice.

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Excellent quoted post - says it all.
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I'm a contactee for the last 36 years but wouldn't share my story's here in fear of ridicule...Most people here are on a debunking witch hunt i've noticed?..

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Illness: the pathway to creative genius?
Disease, rather than being a barrier to greatness, may be its wellspring

New research in fields as diverse as music, art, science and literature suggests that we’re wrong to think that great men and women achieve despite disease. Their illness in many cases is a path, rather than an obstacle, to genius. Einstein, Warhol, Newton, Cézanne, Goya, Michelangelo, Turner and Berlioz are among many whose achievements are now thought to have been influenced by disease. Conditions such as depression, autism, myopia, anxiety, chronic pain, gout, stroke and dementia heavily influenced their paths to creativity.
“Illness has affected the artistic achievement of musical composers, classical painters, creative authors, and sculptors,” says Paul Wolf, a clinical pathologist from the University of California, who specialises in investigating the effects of disease and drugs on the creativity and productivity of sculptors, painters, composers and authors. “The associations between illness and art may be close because of both the actual physical limitations of the artists and their mental adaptation to disease.”

According to Dr Wolf, Michelangelo had symptoms of gout and bipolar disorder, a form of manic-depressive mental illness. He painted more than 400 figures on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel between 1508 and 1512, and Dr Wolf says that his paintings mirror his depression. Features of melancholy appear, for example, in the depiction of the prophet Jeremiah in the Sistine. Michelangelo’s gout also makes an appearance in a fresco by Raphael, now in the Vatican Palace, which depicts the artist with a gouty, deformed right knee.

The link between artistic achievement and depression has inspired an exhibition at the Galeries Nationales du Grand Palais, Paris, Genius and Insanity in the West, which runs until January 16. The work of Goya, Rodin, Van Gogh, Munch and Picasso is on show. According to its organisers, melancholy is a key element in the temperaments of those marked for greatness.

But it isn’t just mental illness that is influential. Eye conditions, including short-sightedness and cataracts, have also had a significant impact on creativity. According to reports by researchers from the St Louis University School of Medicine, in Missouri, cataracts appear to have been a particular affliction of the early Impressionists. “Monet’s serial paintings of the Bridge at Giverny clearly demonstrate the effects of cataracts on painting, with the bridge slowly disappearing over time,” says John Morley, an author and professor of gerontology at St Louis. “Renoir and the American Impressionist painter Mary Cassatt were also afflicted with cataracts. This plethora of cataracts among artists of this time has led to the concept that Impressionism is the world seen through cataracts. The researchers say that those who influenced the Impressionists were also affected by cataracts, and give JMW Turner as an example, while several of the works of the Norwegian Expressionist painter Edvard Munch depict a large floater which obstructed his vision towards the end of his life.

“Constable’s blue-green colour-blindness accounted for his colouring of his landscapes which are primarily yellow and brown,” says Dr Morley. He believes the fact that the postImpressionist painter Cézanne was diabetic was also influential. The artist developed a condition called diabetic retinopathy, which causes blue-green colour-blindness, and may account for some of his colour choices in later paintings, which became more subdued. Van Gogh’s famous painting Starry Night may have been the result of the artist’s epilepsy. He was treated with digitalis and the painting represents a classic example of the haloes seen by someone suffering the side-effects of this toxic drug, according to the St Louis researchers.

At Oxford, Ioan James, a professor of geometry, is writing a book in which he investigates whether 20 influential figures, including Einstein and Newton, the composer Bartók, the mathematician Alan Turing and the artist Andy Warhol, had Asperger’s syndrome, a mild autism characterised by extremely focused attention. James argues that the obsessive and repetitious behaviour often associated with autism was a positive thing in these people. “Perseverance, perfectionism, disregard for social conventions and unconcern about the opinions of others could be seen as a prerequisite for creativity, and these are also behaviours associated with Asperger’s,” he says.

Much of the research on disease and creativity has centred on historical cases, but a remarkable case reported two years ago by American neurologists from the University of California, at Davis, and published in the medical journal Neurology, shows how artistic skills can evolve from disease. It involved a woman in her fifties who developed a rare disease, frontotemporal dementia, which affected the left side of the brain. Over several years her brain gradually deteriorated and she had more and more difficulty talking. But during the same period, her artistic skills improved dramatically. Despite, or perhaps because of, her illness she was able not only to paint but to sell her work. It was described by the research leader, Dr Bruce Miller, a neurologist from California University, as some of the most beautiful he has seen.

Exactly how it came about is not clear, but the left side of the brain is involved with language and words, while the right side is more involved in visual creativity. One theory put forward by the neurologists who treated her was that the decline of the left side took the shackles from the right, allowing more creative freedom and experimentation: “The study of artistic development in the setting of this dementia suggests that language is not required for, and may even inhibit, certain types of visual creativity.”

Source and rest of article: www.timesonline.co.uk...

We don't need more censorship or someone to try and determine who can post and where to put the post - we already have too much censorship and it's everywhere now, including ATS.

Censorship can stifle knowledge, because once something is censored, you're not being allowed all the data (crazy or not).

There is a thin line between genius and madness, look at many of the revolutionary ideas and art that have come from the brains of "madmen"

To me I have always found "sane", "rational' people to be the most boring, they can't - won't think outside the box.

If we as a species are going to figure out what is really happening in our 3d reality, we need creative people who are not quite round pegs in our square hole world.

I've had some pretty extraordinary things happen to me in my life, I would never divulge to anyone for fear of being labeled skitzophrenic and I'm a very reality based person.

There is so much we humans in a 3D reality with our puny 5 senses aren't picking up and now scientists are starting to admit we may have 6 senses.

just a hundred years ago, it was the people who said we may have six senses were labeled "mad".

Each year that goes by sees more discoveries that affirm that maybe what some "mad men" encountered a hundred years ago, might not have been "all in their heads". What will the next hundred years yield in discoveries?

Don't be so quick to judge with your knowledge and education.

Our education system, including our science based knowledge isn't complete and much of it is disinformation.

ATS is one of the few sites where people can gather and discuss what the heck is possibly going on and once you allow more censorship and blowing off that one "crazy post" you never know, that one "outlandish" post could very well have been the one post that holds the key to unlocking more knowledge.

fyi: Some of our most famous breakthroughs were done by "madmen".

It is the mediocre minds, the sane ones that can't think outside the box that bore me - give me the mad ones anyday, at least they are interesting

As an end note: I have a theory about skitzophrenics, yes I'm open to the fact that some people have brain "injuries" but possibly, just maybe because we are a multidimensional soul in a 3D body, inhabiting a 3D reality / world, just maybe skitzos aren't totally trapped within the 3D reality world. Maybe they are half in and half out?????

Two hundred years ago, if you were an epileptic you were burned at the stake for being a witch - well back then just a few hundred years ago we didn't know about this medical condition.

What will we learn in another two hundred years?

Don't be so quick to throw out the "misfits" they very well may hold the key to our finding out more information.

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I am glad to see that somebody created a post for this issue, that is actually being taken seriously.

I have posted similar concerns in the past.

There are DEFINITELY some disturbed people posting in those sections of the site. And, I do not mean to say that people are disturbed, just because they are posting in there. However, yes, there have been some postings that show "text book" signs of dementia. I will not get into what I do for a living, but I will say that I work with people that exhibit these very same signs of mental illness.

I believe that the site owners should take these matters very seriously, before something terrible happens which could end up shining a negative light on ATS. Perhaps, through U2U, or another discreet avenue, in some cases, these people can be given advice, or maybe directed to seek some help.

It can't hurt.

To me, it's pretty simple:

If someone makes an outrageous, far out (and rather unlikely) claim, like he/she was abducted and taken on a spacecraft etc. i demand EVIDENCE. Otherwise it's just a story. Even more so if the person is someone who I don't personally haven't even met IRL.

If i didn't work this way, I could as well believe anything anyone says. And that, my dear friends, is a sure way to mess up your head.

Some people post this stuff on purpose, some are probably delusional, but I do agree that they make the board more interesting.

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This really isn't relevant whatsoever to the point I was trying to make.

You quote words such as "misfit" and act like I'm trying to put people down which is far from the case.