The 'Mentally challenged' posting on Alien ATS forums

Every now and then you get a poster who really crosses the line into incoherency, baffling even the weirdest of ATSr's. Thats what this thread is a bout. ATS wont let me point out anyone in particular but if you look thru this thread you will find what I speak of

This is true, but...
The problem has many facets....

1) What criteria would one use for determining a "Loony" thread from a "valid" one? There would have to be some well-defined criteria (like the T&C) for this, but as we know, even the T&C can be interpreted....

2) What qualifications must one have to make that decision?

3) What about the freedom of expression of that poster?

4) What about the slippery slope of censorship this could create?

And that's just off the top of my head....and all of them are valid enough concerns as to easily answer why the Mods do not censor content. We're volunteers, here to help make the site a more pleasant community, not to stifle content, no matter how silly something may seem to us... The membership has always done a pretty good job of judging things....

All valid questions, Gaz.

Originally posted by Gazrok

1) What criteria would one use for determining a "Loony" thread from a "valid" one? There would have to be some well-defined criteria (like the T&C) for this, but as we know, even the T&C can be interpreted....

Excessive posting and thread creation of vague material as it disrupts the natural flow of the ATS discussion board. We both know of the specific few individuals I speak of. not labeling the masses here.

2) What qualifications must one have to make that decision?

Administrative/Site Owner decision would be my first thought.

3) What about the freedom of expression of that poster?

Freedom of expression is granted until it infringes on one's ability to operate this site smoothly. Excessive thread creation 'could' fall under this category, I suppose.

4) What about the slippery slope of censorship this could create?

See above answer



[edit on 26-3-2010 by NightVision]

Some thoughts to consider (and generality drawn from hundreds of forum discussions I've read) ...

Most people who believe in God attribute the Divine form as recognized beyond their basic senses. It is a statement of faith to state that God is God, and considered a blessing to those who trust this to be true without requiring proof. It's a matter calculated in terms of respect and reverence, not shapes and sizes.

Many who believe in intelligent alien life attribute them as having existance in fourth and fifth dimensions while placing our existance in the third dimension. There is also a sensible follow-up of belief in superior technology which we do not understand nor can measure because there's no access to the basics we would first require to measure. I think it's safe to say that the majourity of technology we see is at least twenty years behind what actually exists, to thousands of years behind if you hold (as some of my friends do quite strongly) that the Mayan race simply took off to the stars and began seeding the galaxy.

What is the point of beating people over the head with the measure of their own scientific yardsticks, or self-righteous godsticks? Some people can't see past the end of their noses for lack of empirical proof! The tree still falls in the forest.

The institutionalized scientific methodology of today, to define everything according to only what we can prove, is part of a long laboured agenda of separating God from science which used to be inseparable. It was once absurd to consider what we learn as somehow being apart from our Creator who authored all things. Do you realize that this is akin to saying "Sorry God, we've got this science thing underway, so if you could kindly stand aside, we'll be getting on with our inventing now". To those of us who believe in God, this constitutes blasphemy. Bear with my reasoning please, because my research is sound. There are still many Christian Scientists (read, not "Scientologists") who recognize this bond as inseparable, and who work on their designs with morals, ethical discussion, and deep concern over the impacts for the human race in mind. Not simply for the greater good, and who are willing to sacrifice the money and power that special interest groups might offer, often to their detriment.

The two were separated in order to segregate ethics and science, allowing modern science a much freer reign to rocket off in whatever direction whatsoever, while tying moral-minded people down with a thousand convoluted ethical warps. This effectively creates an environment where science exists for the sake of science and hidden agenda, to regulate itself with its own crockpot set of rules, to measure their own standards of sanity and insanity, and to enforce this measure in a society which is conditioned to accept through fear of being labelled insane. We will never see the stamped out proof of many of the theories presented on these sites! We can't measure subjective terms such as "beautiful", or "good", or "God", therefore these elements must not be part of accepted science according to the machine. Unless ethics are closely tied to science we will have runaway trains, and the reason we have runaway trains is because, all along, the concern for others plays a discordant second fiddle or was not welcome into the band. Just because we can't measure something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and nor are we truly qualified to study without a solid concern for consequences. Why do we work towards future inventions before correcting the problems of the past, and why build on what is already corrupt technology. This isn't, truly, a hopeless case for anyone who cares, only a realization of what was missing, what needs to be fixed, and about finding a better vision for the future. Unfortunately this won't happen under present administration policies, who denies we even have a right to speak about matters or can integrally conduct experimentation without their piece of paper on our walls. It's the power to practice what is wrong.

While mental illnesses do exist, the solution is not to cure them with modern pharmeceuticals, sorry. This is the implication behind treatment of "schitzophrenia", which has other cures than chemicals. I was called a "paranoid delusional" the other day on a site for considering world affairs, by a third year biochemistry student, kind of sums up my point.

Conspiracy warrants discussion is my other point, and no matter how "out there" you think they are, they just might be right.

Administrative/Site Owner decision would be my first thought.

For every post?

I think you overestimate their capabilities a bit...

Originally posted by Gazrok

Administrative/Site Owner decision would be my first thought.

For every post?

I think you overestimate their capabilities a bit...

I know that red flagging a small few bad apples is very 'big-brotherish', but if you like, you can always hire me to do the dirty work

Your hands will be clean Gaz, I promise you.

reply to post by Gazrok

1) What criteria would one use for determining a "Loony" thread from a "valid" one? There would have to be some well-defined criteria (like the T&C) for this, but as we know, even the T&C can be interpreted....

That would probably be the hardest part out of all of this, they would have to be taken on a case by case basis. One thing to consider would be is the thread introducing a topic for discussion, or is it simply ramblings with a question mark at the end.

2) What qualifications must one have to make that decision?

I would say member reactions would be the best indicator if nothing else like is ANYONE buying this.

3) What about the freedom of expression of that poster?

Freedom of expression is not a real thing on ATS people have to stick to the T&Cs.

4) What about the slippery slope of censorship this could create?

I say case by case post by post. I do not see the mods having any problem censoring posts when they feel like it.

Hey lets ban dyslexic people from colleges, i cant stand there retardedness, lets ban disabled people from public places! Seriously OP if you dont like it you know where the X button is, the www is for everyone, ATS isnt being run by the Chinese.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
Hey lets ban dyslexic people from colleges, i cant stand there retardedness, lets ban disabled people from public places! Seriously OP if you dont like it you know where the X button is, the www is for everyone, ATS isnt being run by the Chinese.

You should get an award for how poorly you demonstrate your ability to comprehend this thread.

Congrats.

You are #1 today.


Like lemmings off a cliff...here they come. We can't stop people like you from failing to read thru threads thoroughly.

You remind me of those pesky cashiers at fast food chains who consistently foul up the simplest of orders.






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reply to post by NightVision


The title of your thread DOES read like you have a problem with people with intellectual disabilities. Another word for them is "mentally challenged". Perhaps you should actually own your own foul-up instead of blaming others for misreading.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by riley]

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I totally agree with you. I asked a valid question as to whether or not a person who claims to have been abducted and has no physical evidence whatsoever, if that person should be labeled a schizophrenic. Seems to me that the OP wants to label EVERYBODY who is abducted AS schizos b/c apparently he doesn't believe in abductions. Well, that's his opinion and he is entitled to it. However, he shouldn't post a thread and ask members to try and differentiate between what's real and what's not lest he can accept our opinions.

And why do I get the feeling he is trying to subtly call us all schizos for possibly believing in alien abductions? Hmm. Surely, the OP will degrade me with some kind of failure to understand now. [insert degrading remark here].

I'm going to end my participation in this thread because:

A- I am not a pyschiatrist
B- I've never been abducted
C- I now have a major headache.

G'day

I would like to say that NightVision's thread originates from our strong mutual concern regarding an extremely small number of specific extreme cases that shall not be identified.

We feel genuine concern.

This is not a "broad brush attack" of any sort.

It is a genuine attempt to discuss a very sensitive & complicated problem.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Legally, is a web-site such ATS required to report incidents that signal the intentions of a member to do harm to his/her self?

reply to post by Jocko Flocko


No not at all.

reply to post by NightVision


Oh i know what this thread is all about.

Its on the first couple of pages, you state BAN THEM

What for?

The Internet is free for everyone, people who are mentally instable have all the rights to be here just as me and you.

Im sure you wouldnt stop a downsyndrome person from entering a library would you?

Your discriminating against the mentally Ill and quite frankly, its pathetic.

its really irrelevant if it a mentally challenged person because some like autistic savants are not good at common sense but couuld be the next albert einstein!
www.youtube.com...

what are mind takes away it gives something back almost likee adapting for survival or a different way to view life

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
This is not a "broad brush attack" of any sort.

It is a genuine attempt to discuss a very sensitive & complicated problem.

Hmm, an interesting perspective. I wonder if you'd care to review these and tell me if in your opinion, they're indicative of a genuine attempt to discuss a sensitive and complicated problem?

Perceptions vary.

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[edit on 3/27/10 by MrDesolate]

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This is very amusing to me.

The one's that are always doing the name calling and acting like two year old's such as yourself, (which is, as far as I know against t&c) are alway's the first ones to say that the other has a problem. As a matter of fact, as soon as anyone goes as far as to pass judgement on anyone (like you are doing) should be banned immediately. But instead, "crap" like yours ends up on the front page of this web-site.

If you want to know who or what the problem is, go look in the mirror.

It's the ones like you, the ones spreading false information that should be banned from this web-site. You are of the paranoid/schizo variety. And that is an understatement. This is a classic example of the "pot calling the kettle black".

The more I read bs such as this, the harder I want to fight it. I know where behavior such as this originates from. From this point on, if I see anymore threads such as your tripe with name calling involved, they will go straight to my foe and ignore list.

The real solution to the problem is well on it's way. He will show you a what a real banning is all about.

HE is going to show some real "change" you can believe in.

Do you believe this? Or, am I being paranoid and delusional?

~ Zeus



[edit on 27-3-2010 by Zeus2573]

Originally posted by MrDesolate

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
This is not a "broad brush attack" of any sort.
It is a genuine attempt to discuss a very sensitive & complicated problem.

Hmm, an interesting perspective. I wonder if you'd care to review these and tell me if in your opinion, they're indicative of a genuine attempt to discuss a sensitive and complicated problem?
Perceptions vary.

G'day MrDesolate

That is why I chose my words very carefully.

The intention of the thread was admirable.

The execution of the thread has been problematic.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Your Kind regards maybe...maybe not is quite the example of freedom of sppech and I almost wonder why you are not banned for disobeying the manners rules and decorum and civil behavior for Above Top Secret. Do you have any idea how stuck up and snobbish you come off as telling people whom you have no idea what their actual identity is stating:

Kind Regards ( a very polite thing to say)

Kind Regards...maybe......what in the wolrd are you saying?

Kind Regards...maybe not

e-nee-meeny-miney-moe-catch a tiger by the toe, how old are you sir? Do you still pick up flowers and pick off the pedals, he/she loves me, she doesn't?

It's the internet, buckweat. I can start an account on here and pose as a mentally challenged person and would you know that I have a college degree/high paid salary job with wife and kids???

Just as singel white male in his 40's can pose as a 16 year old girl.

The beauty of the internet, you can be anything you want. I guess people who are so brilliant able to call people retards on a conspiracy theory website wouldn't know about such common sense.

Instead of saying Kind Regards...maybe...maybe not, why don't you just use curse words because that would be the opposite of sending someone kind regards?


Have a Good day! jk

Enjoy reading my typos

*awaits to be called a retard via internet identities*