The 'Mentally challenged' posting on Alien ATS forums

reply to post by nycfrog27

Even a "fence-sitter" to use Zaiger's terminology is going to consider the credibility of the witness, or abductee, and certainly schizophrenia can affect credibility.

But for a true skeptic, word of mouth stories will never be proof even if the witness is credible and not schizo, there needs to be some tangible evidence. That's why if I'm ever abducted, I'm going to take a souvenir from the alien ship as proof I was there.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


picasaweb.google.com...# I took lots of pictures, i suggest you take aliens instead.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


So, let me see if I can understand what you said. Please correct me if I'm wrong, whereas, I mean this with all due respect: Am I supposed to label someone schizophrenic because they do not have physical evidence? Again, I just wanted you to clarify this for me because I seem a little confused about your reply.

Originally posted by debris765nju
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

picasaweb.google.com...# I took lots of pictures, i suggest you take aliens instead.

Is that a schizophrenic camera?
Apologies for the short reply.

Originally posted by NightVision
I created this thread to pose a discussion on some recent threads here that seem to have no basis in reality.

Only the recent ones? ATS is partially built on unreality, denial of reality and thrives on it. Don't speak out too much lest you be banned for being a realist.

reply to post by nycfrog27


You know, the camera really thought all those aliens were there. Thank goodness all these smart people on ats set me straight.......

Isn't anyone who undeniably believes that aliens are among us, without suggesting it is based on faith, all from the same boat?

Originally posted by nycfrog27
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

So, let me see if I can understand what you said. Please correct me if I'm wrong, whereas, I mean this with all due respect: Am I supposed to label someone schizophrenic because they do not have physical evidence? Again, I just wanted you to clarify this for me because I seem a little confused about your reply.

What????

I would understand it if any other poster in this thread asked that question because I'd assume they were too lazy to click the link to read the question I was responding to. However, YOU are the one person in this thread who doesn't have that excuse because YOU asked the question so YOU of all people should know what the question is. Now, do you understand your own question? If so, then you will understand the context of my answer.

Originally posted by nycfrog27
Now, what if a schizo DID get abducted, would we discredit the story?

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by nycfrog27

 

Even a "fence-sitter" to use Zaiger's terminology is going to consider the credibility of the witness, or abductee, and certainly schizophrenia can affect credibility.

And if you're still confused, you can read more about my thoughts here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 25-3-2010 by Arbitrageur]

reply to post by Xcalibur254


HELLO!!! What are you doing back here then? ATS rivals tabliod papers
a bit. Tabloid internet with out paying the newsstand price. Especially during the recession. The site is about two things: Entertainment and
a percentage of Facts that are discussed for an individual's personal growth or knowledge. It's about fun, not paranoia. Real life is about work, work, work, and some fun. Especiallly the older you get... less fun.
I wouldn't believe anything too seriously it ruins the quality of your life.

Originally posted by intrinsic
ATS is partially built on unreality, denial of reality and thrives on it. Don't speak out too much lest you be banned for being a realist.

I see your point, but if what you are saying is true, than Springer and co. would have never traveled to the Gilliland Ranch to see if the UFOs being filmed there were real.

Originally posted by frugal
The site is about two things: Entertainment and
a percentage of Facts. It's about fun, not paranoia. Real life is about work, work, work, and some fun. Especiallly the older you get... less fun.
I wouldn't believe anything too seriously it ruins the quality of your life.

Frugal I agree w. you on many levels. I come here mostly for entertainment and information. Sifting thru the endless pile of 'OMG! Proof! Finally!' threads and Gorillas Found on Mars threads can get taxing, but that isn't really my main complaint. Every now and then you get a poster who really crosses the line into incoherency, baffling even the weirdest of ATSr's. Thats what this thread is a bout. ATS wont let me point out anyone in particular but if you look thru this thread you will find what I speak of

This is quite an interesting topic... I certainly understand the OP's concern, that discussions can be hijacked by people who do not have an ability (because of mental illness or attitude) to engage in a discussion and instead seek only to state their arguably-supported opinion forcefully and often.

This is somewhat classic "free speech" stuff, with all of its inherent dangers, how do you simultaneously protect the collective right to have access to information which a great majority feels is baseless, while not allowing the minority opinion to be so disruptive as to impair the majority's enjoyment of life and ability to discuss topics as they want. I support the idea that silencing someone is very dangerous, that it's a very, very slippery slope, and should only be done if you are left with absolutely no choice. And that's not the case here.

We all have an "Ignore User" link. I think that is the appropriate way to handle individual people any one of us may dislike. If the person is truly so disruptive that the overall board is suffering then perhaps there could be limits on a person's posting. If a person has more than 50 people ignoring them, limit that account to 1 post a day. He still has his freedom to say what he likes, but now he must do it more succinctly.

John

Originally posted by NightVision

Originally posted by dizziedame

If a person is sound enough to join this forum and make threads, they should be mentally able to present an argument backed by data, and at least address critical questions.

Here is where the thread ended for me. The assumption that linguistics determine purpose. That technological state determines legitimacy. What Im reading is, the mere fact that someone or something is using this particular cyber-face means they deserve to be called 'mentally challenged' and labeled with nice little words like SchizoNecrophelibeastism if they fail your rudimentary interrogation?
Ok. I get it.

This was a way for the OP to come out and call a certain group of people 'retards'. Its the way the post reads up to this point. And Ill read no further due to trauma incurred from the content so far.

I may come back to see if you call me a 'retard' for taking what you wrote this way.

Later

[edit on 25-3-2010 by psyko45]

[edit on 25-3-2010 by psyko45]

reply to post by NightVision


I understand the frustrations with the issue of sorting out what is real and what is made up especially in forums and blogs. I have been attacked and called a disinformation agent for asking questions about said encounters. And don't even mention the word sleep paralysis to an abductee, or offer advice that they go to a neurologist to rule out any medical reason for what they are experiencing.

Part of the reason is many actually want to believe they are experiencing alien abductions as mental illness is a very scary and demonized word. (Before anyone attacks this, I am saying some may be the result of the above, not all.) Another thing is many of us here (me included) do want to see evidence that aliens have been here and are still visiting. I have been more than a little disappointed when I have found things to be a hoax.

The other reason is some people actually lie and/or make up stuff and put it on these sites to see how gullible people are. Also, they want to see if anyone challenges what they put up and how many blindly believe it as the truth. (There were a few sites encouraging members to get accounts to sites like ATS and making stuff up.)

The best thing I do is read what I find interesting, and ignore the more outrageous ones. The other thing to do is not be afraid to ask tough questions. This should not be taken as stating a person writing their experiences is lying, but as a way to find the truth.

Originally posted by psyko45
I may come back to see if you call me a 'retard' for taking what you wrote this way.

Just read this excellent example of a willfully retarded post Zaiger made and give us your comments on that:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

All the different points of view are shared amicably up until it gets to the willfully retarded post, see if you don't agree.

Good example, Zaiger!

Originally posted by psyko45
What Im reading is, the mere fact that someone or something is using this particular cyber-face means they deserve to be called 'mentally challenged' and labeled with nice little words like SchizoNecrophelibeastism if they fail your rudimentary interrogation?

The facts speak for themselves. If you've failed to look over the critical data I've presented in regards to one individual in particular, then lets just say your ability to investigate 'needs work'.

This was a way for the OP to come out and call a certain group of people 'retards'. Its the way the post reads up to this point. And Ill read no further due to trauma incurred from the content so far.

Incorrect. I've drawn a very clear line here. I've received a few apologies from ATSrs who've read thru this thread after firing prematurely. It would do you wise to do absorb in full the data I've presented. Otherwise, maybe u should sit on the sidelines and let those w. better comprehensive abilities sort this out.

I may come back to see if you call me a 'retard' for taking what you wrote this way.

No comment.



[edit on 26-3-2010 by NightVision]

Originally posted by NightVision
As a disclaimer, I do believe we are being visited by ET life. But how do we draw a line here? Is putting these threads in the Hoax forum enough? I feel these people are mentally sick and need help.

I'd hazard a guess because I'm not a psychologist (and my guess is that you are not either) - these people are not "mentally sick".

There is a very well known issue with paranormal topics and the involvement in them: that persons involved heavily in the subject either peripherally, or directly tend to lose critical judgement as time goes on.

This not only is seen here at ATS with some posters, but with some of the public UFO researchers throughout the history of the subject. Many, have lost their critical judgement over the years - who started out really well.

We all sit and wonder what happened to "so and so". He'she started out so well and has completely gone off the deep end.

To my perspective his is not a question of mental illness, but one of how the paranormal effects people. There are all sorts of marginality, anti-structure, and loss of critical thought as one looks past the surface of the subject. I realize that this doesn't fit everyone's view of the paranormal, but I'd encourage you to read up on the work of George Hansen who has a better handle on the paranormal's finer issues than most.

It is not easy to understand, but reading it gives you a framework to see just how correct he is about certain aspects, and you will see this in action - not only the loss of critical judgement, but marginality and anti-stricture and what part they play in all this.

What you describe is just how it works. There is no reason as to why, so don't bother looking - why is not the question to ask, the question is what surrounds paranormal events. Your topic is one of them: loss of critical thought. The "why" (although I don't presume to know) may be the elusive phenomenon further hiding itself behind layers of garbage.

Your post is also one of the detrimental reasons to back off the subject at regular intervals. It can happen to anyone.

~J

Originally posted by NightVision


Yes, I have strongly considered this possibility, but this is a forum of data presentation. If a person is sound enough to join this forum and make threads, they should be mentally able to present an argument backed by data, and at least address critical questions.

What font color and size should I use? What keyboard,mouse,etc do I need to utilize to post on YOUR internet? Not trying to be a jerk, just makin a point.

Originally posted by jritzmann

I'd hazard a guess because I'm not a psychologist (and my guess is that you are not either) - these people are not "mentally sick".

Your post is also one of the detrimental reasons to back off the subject at regular intervals. It can happen to anyone.

~J

Jeff, I agree w. your post on many levels. Perhaps I didn't communicate my thoughts clearly enough. Albeit against ATS rules, I singled out around 3 specific individuals who's posts speak for themselves. it was not an attempt to label a whole group of ATSr's. I can't post a link here, but a quick look back thru this thread should be sufficient. And yes, a break away from UFOlogy is healthy. Absolutely.

Originally posted by A-E-I-Owned-You
What font color and size should I use?

www.dafont.com...

What keyboard,mouse,etc do I need to utilize to post on YOUR internet?

AEI: You shouldn't be allowed any of the above equipment. People w. below avg. comprehension skills and inability to read thru threads should not be allowed to post on threads I create.

Not trying to be a jerk, just makin a point.

You should get an award for how poorly you presented your point.







[edit on 26-3-2010 by NightVision]

Originally posted by NightVision

Originally posted by A-E-I-Owned-You
What font color and size should I use?

www.dafont.com...

What keyboard,mouse,etc do I need to utilize to post on YOUR internet?

You shouldn't be allowed any of the above equipment. People w. below avg. comprehension skills and inability to read thru threads should not be allowed to post on threads I create.

Not trying to be a jerk, just makin a point.

You should get an award for how poorly you presented your point.





[edit on 26-3-2010 by NightVision]

I never asked what font I should use, just the color and size! Comprehension ftw amirite?

Originally posted by A-E-I-Owned-You

I never asked what font I should use, just the color and size! Comprehension ftw amirite?

A) You get a doggy biscuit for correctly comprehending something.

B) I hope you use the font.