The Pleiadian Mission - Billy Meier UFO Case

reply to post by jubanese


Billy has been PROVEN to hoax two different times.

1) He showed photos of what he claimed were aliens named "Asket" and "Nera". The women in the photos were later identified as members of "The Golddiggers", a singing group, specifically during an appearance on a talk tv show (I believe it was Michael Douglas). He later claimed (once it was pointed out) that the Swiss MIBs switched the photos....strange how he didn't mention it while first publicizing them...after all, he did meet them right, and so should know what they look like!

2) Then, there is the "photo" of the "dinosaur" taken while he was "time-travelling" with the aliens. It turned out to be a blurred version of an illustration of a pteradon in a book. Seriously, ANYONE can see it's from this when comparing the two.

I've posted photos of both of these hoaxes (along with the infamous "ray gun" pic) several times, so feel free to look, I just don't think it's needed to post again.

Now, no matter what evidence he shows to folks, the fact that he's been CAUGHT hoaxing in the past, pretty much erodes any confidence one can have in his claims. He's a charlatan, and most in UFOlogy know it...and it's been PROVEN,.

reply to post by Gazrok


In the original documentary www.youtube.com... the dinosaur pictures were never even mentioned or shown. Its quite possible those pictures were never even his to begin with. It was claimed by Randolph Winters that the dinosaur picture was real, Billy never claimed it to be. However, there was a truckload of other evidence that was heavily tested by a number of different experts in a number of different fields, all coming to the same conclusions saying that it was unexplainable by conventional means. Evidence included pictures of ufos tested by picture specialists, metal samples tested by mettalurgists, sounds tested by sound experts, and several witness testimonies.The photo of the female was shown, however it was never stated that she was in fact Asket.

And its one thing for me or you to analyze pictures, but it's another thing entirely when experts use cutting edge technology to come to conclusions, as they do many times over in this 1978 documentary www.youtube.com...

reply to post by jubanese


You can point me to documentaries all you like, but I've actually discussed photos with Mr. Horn, Billy's rep, so I'll take that over the doc....thanks.

reply to post by Gazrok


If everyone on the planet came to conclusions based on 2% of the info contained in a given subject then we would be surrounded by close-minded people. Oh wait, we are! Discussing evidence with Mr. Horn was enough for you, even thou theres a mountain of evidence that would be impossible to debunk contained in the original documentary? www.youtube.com... In this documentary, the objects that Meier photographed were proven to be 20+ feet in diameter, the sounds recorded were proven to exceed the capabilities of oscillator's in that time period, the metal samples tested were proven to be manufactured in ways that defied metalurgical knowledge, but a couple of pictures is enough to call the man a liar. I would love to discuss the above mentioned matters to someone who disagreed with them, but all I find is people who talk about the dinosaur pics, the raygun pics, and the semjase pics. It seems as thou people take what they want to take from a given subject, and use their pre-concieved biased-ness and opinions to help guide them. No wonder "they" feel they must intervene.

I recommend reviewing the material posted here:
www.iigwest.org...

Yes, this is the collection of my investigative work into the Billy Meier Case, but it is one of the most comprehensive collections of work out there. It will tell you exactly which book the dinosaur photo came from and Michelle DellaFave (aka Asket) discusses her reaction to Meier using her photograph from the Dean Martin Variety Show.

BTW, over the next few months several new articles will be posted. Some of which will show you exactly how to make the Billy Meier Beamship v2, Beamship v4, Wedding Cake, and Light Ship UFOs. In addition to that, we now know exactly what the Beamship Audio Recording is a recording of.

I have submitted the Wedding Cake UFO articles to the IIG Webmasters and I'm a few weeks away from submitting the Beamship articles to the webmasters.

I'm very happy to say that by the end of 2010 I should finally complete my report into the Billy Meier UFO Case.

reply to post by jubanese


You don't find someone being "caught" in hoaxing at least THREE TIMES to be enough of a reason to logically discredit any previous or further claims of the fantastic?

I suppose if Yuri Gellar was teaching a seminar on telekinesis you'd be enrolling?

You are perfectly entitled to keep drinking the Billy Meier Kool-Aid, and simply ignore his past hoaxing, but having proven hoaxes is certainly enough to land threads on his claims in the HOAX category.

Evidence included pictures of ufos tested by picture specialists, metal samples tested by mettalurgists, sounds tested by sound experts, and several witness testimonies

Sure, HIS specialists, and yet he never submits the original materials for any outside analysis...so it's pretty much meaningless.

reply to post by Gazrok


No doubt, good point, and your boy derekcbart nearly made an un-beleiver out of me with all that evidence supporting this as a hoax. The only thing at this point that keeps me still believe'n in this is the witnesses, well, that and the contact notes, they changed my life. And don't you find it kind of odd that all of those people claiming to have witnessed crazy $hit would be on board with the bigggest hoax of the century? What about the kids? In the older documentary, the kids are young as hell talkin about $hit as if it wasn't a hoax, and then in the newer documentary "silent revolution of truth" the one kid is grown up, must be about 35 or so, still talkin about seeing crazy $hit. Said he'll never forget. I'm just speeking for myself here, but if i was raised around the biggest hoaxer on the planet, i'd be callin him out, even if it was my father. It's probly not worth the effort, but here is an interesting article i came across: www.rense.com...

reply to post by derekcbart


It seems that you haven't quite started your Billy Meier investigation yet, but instead have wasted countless hours of your time, if you still believe the case is a hoax. The main body of information is the spiritual teachings, and if you haven't read the material, then you shouldn't be commenting on the case.

Photos are easily manipulated, everyone these days has photoshop handy. However,there still is very credible proof in the photographs, you just choose to ignore the experts, whose analysis of the material was a lot more thorough then whats available on your site.

The pictures of Asket, compared to a actresses on a TV show have been proven to be False. False becuase if you look at the actual pictures from the TV show, they do not look like the pictures on your website.

Bottomline, if you haven't taken the time to read the Meier spiritual teachings, you shouldn't be commenting on the case.

The UFO community should embrace this case, but instead they ridicule what they dont understand, and just focus all their efforts on silly pictures. How sad.

Originally posted by jubanese
And its one thing for me or you to analyze pictures, but it's another thing entirely when experts use cutting edge technology to come to conclusions, as they do many times over in this 1978 documentary www.youtube.com...

Wow, are you totally naive as to the level of experts that come here? You must be. The best people there are are here.

Documentaries like that are made as they are to sell. They don't give a damn if its real because if they present the truth, nobody will watch it and they loose their investment.

There are lots of bad documentaries out there. Lot's of channels willing to show them.

You will find one about the "Rods" a hoax.

You will find ones discussing the Easter Island Statues and how no human could have moved them. In the 1960's the Islanders tired of the joke and moved one and stood it up in one day with a couple of dozen people. Yet another known hoax. A few logs to roll them on and understanding a fulcrum and lever as we have since the caveman days and you can move almost anything.

You will find ones claiming how perfect the pyramids were built. Not true some they had to readjust midstream in the construction because they got to far out alignment and where the adjustments were made are visible. More bad information. The Great Pyramids are not even aligned anywhere near perfect as the bad documentaries claim. Just more Voodoo mumbo jumbo.

I'm a believer in UFO's by the way, just not gullible and I'm pissed off to no end at this silly crap. Makes me look foolish as it only fools, fools.

Don't believe what you see in a Documentary. The Discovery Channel, PBS and History Channel show crap all of the time. There is a market for it, so they play it.

Sorry about my attitude but why do people want to go through their lives as victims of any good story teller who comes their way?