Will it ever crash?

I may receive a lot of flak for this, and I agree that my opinion is a bit twisted and cynical, but I almost want everything in America to crash. I've seen countless predictions about how "aliens will be here next week", "stock up on food and water since we're just weeks away from a nationwide collapse of the economy", "invest in gold and other precious commodities so that when the dollar crashes, you'll be safe", etc. I'm starting to get to the point where I wonder if it will ever come crumbling down and if all this worrying and stress is nothing more than a giant conspiracy to make everybody apathetic, unmotivated, and downright confused so they don't try to fix anything. I'll admit, I'm only in my mid-20s, so I don't have the experience and age to know a collapse before I see one, so for those who are older and have seen or been through economic collapses, how close are we to one right now? Is the economy really as bad as conspiracy websites and other places say, and how close is it to toppling over? Are there others who share my opinion that it's better for America to crash as soon as possible so we can start rebuilding right away instead of slowing being cooked day by day? I used to believe we could dig ourselves out of this debt hole, but considering that nobody in Washington D.C. cares, that option no longer seems possible.

If we could have stopped the big bailout, it would have crashed.

And we would have received a much needed reset.

But now they're going to string it out as long as possible....

If you ever want perspective check old books and newspaper archives from the early 20th Century. In the 1920s Communists were providing data and analysis demonstrating how the Capitalist West was inevitably going to fall.

When the Great Depression hit in the early 30s, American and European leaning economists were authoritatively explaining that the end had come for unsustainable growth.

There have been doom and gloom sayers since there was writing. In the first Century AD people were certain of the return of the Messiah and that they were living in the final days.

The US has abundant resources and assets as well as productivity and agricultural self-sufficiency. It had downturns and somehow bounced back stronger than ever.

There are a lot of disgruntled type, resentful, envious, angry about how comfortably Americans live compared to most of the people in the rest of the world. They will continue to blame the US for their problems. Not their leaders, not their socio-economic cultural shortcomings, not themselves.

It's always been that way.





[edit on 13-2-2010 by mmiichael]

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in my opinion it will be difficult, but crash isn't the right term, crash implies sudden catastrophic damage. I think we will keep 'kicking the can down the road" thereby putting more dents in the can until its destroyed. Not crushing the can in a single step. To much debt/credit was created to fast for the system to handle, the monetary supply needs/has to constrict. The fall out from the constriction is anyones guess. In other words it wont be a dagger to the heart, but a death by a thousand cuts

I think all these scenerios have been warnings so you can at least prepare yourself mentally for what is coming. You have some clues, so you should be doing some mental gymnastics toward personal problem solving in case of being faced with certain situations. Know ahead how you will react; what you will do.

Yes, the system needs to crash. The globe revolves around three things---religion and politics push corporate commerce for the most part. And they are all guilty of squandering our natural resources, lying to us, and enslaving us with heavy burdens. It all needs to be done away with. Change will not ever come from the inside and it's already too late for that. It all needs to be brought to a screech halt. It should be on our terms, not theirs. We need to continue to expose their evil deeds. Stop buying their contaminated products, stop supporting sweatshop manufacturing overseas, and give up those things that require our signature without full disclosure of contract.

Their plan has almost reached its finish. When that happens they will have no more use for us. I wouldn't doubt that they will be picking us off slowly before their end date.

It is interesting that the Federal Reserve Banks did not want to accept their own Federal Reserve Notes. If a chef won’t eat their own cooking you shouldn’t either. For the job of controlling the Nations money supply, the Federal Reserve gets paid a fee known as Seigniorage. This fee is not paid to them in Federal Reserve Notes. They refuse to accept them as payment because they know they are worth nothing. They are paid in Gold Certificates which are redeemable for only one thing, GOLD! If gold isn’t real money, why is it important that it is the only payment the Federal Reserve will accept? Think about that, I mean really…think about it!

The whole conspiracy was sinister and slow. Take 1% of the Nations gold as payment every year so nobody will notice. 1% is a small amount for a year, however that only lasts 100 years before it is all gone. Remember the Federal Reserve Act was passed on December 23, 1913. That means that at or around December 21, 2012, the date the Mayan calendar predicts destruction of life because (the Earth will move), the Nation will run out of gold to pay the Federal Reserve.


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people have been talking about the crash and burn of America since...hmm...1777..give or take..in phases of course, not every year, but there are always half of the people saying your doing it wrong, your breaking it.

as far as the whole food and water apocolypse thing...well hell, people have been assuming thats going to happen soon since the dawning of civilization.

Although it seems bad, its no where near as bad as where we were during the great depression...this is simply yet another deep recession that we are sort of midway through.

America will crash. This is not untrodden territory. The same thing happened in 1345AD.

The market will go first and then America will default on its debts.

If the USA defaults on its debt, the following would happen:-

- Comprehnsive banking collapse.
- All Governement employees stop being paid, including teacheras, Police etc..
- All borrowing for commerce stops dead, including finance to buy new food.
- All Air Traffic Control and hence air traffic stops dead.
- Massive immediate strike by all public employees, paralysing all Governement services, making many things like freeways non-operational.
- All businesses with Government contracts are defaulted on and most go immediately bankrupt.
- Total tax default.
- All Coastguard services stop meaning USA instantly floods with coc aine and crack.
- With communications gone and no cash to fund new stock, all stores run out of food within about one week.
- All food stamps and welfare cheques stop resulting in staggering increase in crime, closing what businesses are left open.
- No police to stop rioting. Even if special legislation exists to allow US Army to be paid, there are now no means to pay them as all the banks have collapsed.
- Scared for their families who are now starving, soldiers either dessert or often turn their guns on their own officers.
- Hospitals, now overflowing with gunshot victims and lacking supplies, close across the board. People left ot die on the street.
- Emergency cremations of the dead in the streets and on waste grounds.
- Murder out of control as neighbuors turn on each other for food.
- All telephones go down due to no payment of the Government's invoices
- Mass exodus and panic amongst the populus and anger.
- Starvation follows within the month in parts of the USA.
- Foreign countries with claim on US Territory would seem=k to reclaim it. For instance, Guantanamo Bay can only be legally occupied on Cuba so long as they keep offering to pay the Communist's the tab agreed with the Battista Government. Okinawa has bases so long as US keeps paying the token rent to Japan. Diego Garcia would be reclaimed by the UK as the US can no longer pay the rent.

These are a FEW of the immediate effects if the US goes bust..

[edit on 12-2-2010 by aristocrat2]

Its all about the flow of items.

All of those dollar signs and electronic numbers have no "real" value. Sure they are tools to help circulate everything else, but what truly matters is the food on your table and that new game!

Last fall I really thought it was going to crash. But when it did not happen it left me with a bad taste in my mouth. And now I am almost apathetic towards it. I don't see how it can last but I have no idea when it will fall apart. I hate waiting and this is the worst kind of worry you can have. I wish I had just a little glimpse of the future so I could rest easy at night.

I actually joined ATS because I wanted to vent about it and put my 2 cents in the posts. I come here everyday hoping a post will give a glimpse of the future or the other shoe has finally hit the floor. But it seems like days are running into months and the only change is my attitude towards it collapsing.

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What I don't get is how this is even possible. With all these elite in power who want to control everything, why would they let it swirl into chaos? Would they go hide out in a country for a month, let America blow itself up, and then put in another faux leader to further their agenda and reshape America?

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Agreed. Far too many times has it been said that "it's only a matter of time."

Originally posted by mmiichael

If you ever want perspective check old books and newspaper archives from the early 20th Century. In the 1920s Communists were providing data and analysis demonstrating how the Capitalist West was inevitably going to fall.

When the Great Depression hit in the early 30s, American and European leaning economists were authoritatively explaining that the end had come for unsustainable growth.

There have been doom and gloom naysayers since there was writing. In the first Century AD people were certain of the return of the Messiah and that they were living in the final days.

The US has abundant resources and assets as well as productivity and agricultural self-sufficiency. It has downturns and somehow bounced back stringer than ever.

There are a lot of disgruntled people, resentful, envious, angry about how comfortably Americans live compared to most of the people in the rest of the world. They will continue to blame the US for their problems. Not their leaders, not their socio-economic cultural shortcomings, not themselves.

It's always been that way.

But you know that the second that they need help they will come calling on the US to help bail them out. I say next time it happens, we say "forget you" in not so many words. I'm tired of people blaming the US for their problems, then asking us to bail them out when they have trouble.

I was expecting the "End of the World as We Know it" when thing started coming apart in Fall 2008.

Y'know roaming biker gangs, food scavengers, internment camps, Mad Max Amerika.

But here I am in the usual chair two-finger typing on a laptop with more memory than IBM had in all their computers for their first 30 years.

Most 2008 predictions were as accurate as the ones for midnight 1999/2000 when planes were going to fall out of the sky, communications would stop, the world was going to go up in flames.

I almost wished the doom scenarios would happen and things would fall apart, maybe being reassembled with a more humane pragmatic awareness of where ignorance and complacency will lead to.

The standard of living has and will continue to take a dive. I'm in Canad where we're sheltered from things a bit more. Our uptight ultraconservative fiscal policies paid off in the end.

The question no one want to ask is how bad will it be for the US when the rest of the world is in deeper doodoo. Half a dozen countries in Europe have technically failed or are about to. They can only bail each other out a few times, then what?

Eastern Europe has essentially crashed, Africa has been gone for so long no one notices. But there's something to really worry about when places like Somalia can't feed it's own people, and likewise Sudan, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, North Korea.

And don't think things are rosy in the Middle East. Populations that have doubled and tripled but the oil wealth is not spread around anywhere near equitably. The world's tallest building is in Dubai which just announced it can't pay off it's debts.

The US produces most of it's own food, has manufacturing capability and produces vital product that always have a ready market. A working infrastructure and plenty of housing, land, fresh water, educated and capable people.

It will become a lot tougher but there is room for downsizing without compromising the quality of life too much. Things may even get better as a new generation learn they can do without a lot of junk consumer products, stylish clothes, eating excessive amounts of unhealthy foods, and all the other overindulgent excesses.

Things will be more interesting and less predictable, that's all I can guarantee.

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yes, it will - in 2012. when we lose WWIII.
not much of our population will be left at that point.
that is the big secret - we are to be broken up like
germany was after the war. not sure how we are going
to be blamed for 6 billion deaths - but we are going to be...


[edit on 13-2-2010 by Anti-Evil]

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Its called "WAR" ..... WWI ....... WWII ...... and all the little ones in between, that's the bounce back.

Fun HUH??

The way i see it, all we can do for now is just watch and wait.

after the financial fiasco in 2008, things just havent been getting any better for anyone else. and now we got tensions in the Taiwan arms deal, Iran going nuclear, the surge in the middle east just aint stopping...

i'd like to see that russian proffessor's prediction come true.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
America will crash. This is not untrodden territory. The same thing happened in 1345AD.

The market will go first and then America will default on its debts.

American is not going to crash, regardless of weak leadership every now and then. Granted many people wish and hope and hope and hope that America goes under, sorry not going to happen.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by sleeper]

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
I'll admit, I'm only in my mid-20s, so I don't have the experience and age to know a collapse before I see one, so for those who are older and have seen or been through economic collapses, how close are we to one right now?

Dear heart, I understand your anxiety, but I feel deeply for you if your young life is indeed marred by a "crash" or other profound, similar event.
I feel so sad you are not pursuing your dreams, rather than taking such burdens into your mind. Put your anxiety into reading...read about history, not just events, but opinions on how significant events came about, and the narratives of individuals who struggled to survive in their midst. Educate yourself, but try not to burden yourself with things that would bring to your life great sadness.

Hey man, my suggestion would be to live your life and follow your dreams. Sure, stay informed, know whats going on....BUT, don't let it hold you back or be a shadow over your decision making.

Put away some food and supplies in a pantry... you don't need 20 cases of MREs and an AR-15... some freeze dried/dehydrated foods will do. Stock up on some canned goods when on sale. Get a shot gun, a few boxes of shells and practice. Put together a basic survival kit...there's plenty of literature on the stuff... nothing elaborate.

Then LIVE. Fall in love, save money and invest, learn about real estate, find God or Jesus or whatever you want to follow and build a spiritual life and foundation=peace of mind/body/soul. See the world or what you can afford of it... but LIVE.

Like you, I now wonder when all this stuff will happen, if ever. Unlike you, I've been following this stuff for 20 years...originally, it scared the hell out of me. But, as you are finding out, I kept waiting.... still waiting. It's now mostly a hobby. I still find some of the conspiracies fascinating and some actually hold water, but I no longer hole up in bunkers waiting for the satanic, reptillian, NWO-UN troops to come and take my guns and put me in a re-education camp under the Denver Airport.

The stuff you put away will come in handy, if not for the apocolypse, then certainly the next snowstorm/hurricane/earth quake/power outtage. Been ther, done that... built a wood fire today using some of the last of my Y2K matches... lasted 10 years.LOL

Most of all...don't worry...believe in yourself...LIVE.