PROOF that Building 7 was demolished with explosives!!!

reply to post by gavron


This line of thinking is totally retarded. You can create your own ridiculous conspiracy theories in place of giant gaping holes in the OS every day 24/7. It doesn't change the fact that the building fell straight down through it's support systems at free fall speed. There has not been a logical explanation for that.

You tell me how that happened.

Uh, stuctural damage, and a uh...uh...couple of pockets of fire...that uhhh...lasted for...a couple of hours...and uh...uhh...were hot enough to thermally....uhhh....ummm...expand the uhhh....girders...on the rotary...uhhh...girder...which then...uhhh...the fires weren't hot enough to weaken the steel....but they were hot enough to...umm...expand it.

What a crock of bull#. You guys are all full of #.

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
It doesn't change the fact that the building fell straight down through it's support systems at free fall speed. There has not been a logical explanation for that.

You tell me how that happened..

Wasnt it pre-wired by your demo crews? Oh wait, there is no evidence that these crews even existed. I wonder why that fact always seems to be skipped.

Originally posted by gavron
Lets look at what you said, Roger:

Funny how you skipped or ignored my stating that fact that i have been posting for years about no steel skyscrapers in the US have collapsed from fire.

Why are you ignoring all the all other posts for years?



[edit on 7-5-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by gavron
Wasnt it pre-wired by your demo crews? Oh wait, there is no evidence that these crews even existed.

Sorry but i have posted proof that demo crews were there by 3PM.

Why do you ignore facts and evidence?

reply to post by REMISNE

Sorry but i have posted proof that demo crews were there by 3PM.

Can you please post the names and Social Security numbers of the members of the demo teams?

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by gavron
Wasnt it pre-wired by your demo crews? Oh wait, there is no evidence that these crews even existed.

Sorry but i have posted proof that demo crews were there by 3PM.

Why do you ignore facts and evidence?

a 47 story building is pretty much a GIGANTIC demolition project. A crew showing up at 3:00 PM is not going to accomplish much. Explosives can't just be thrown around. You have to expose the support beams. Often times they are insulated by concrete. I finished my own basement and worked with a professional to remove some concrete. It's not a quick process and was a small amount of concrete.

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
It doesn't change the fact that the building

fell straight down

FALSE.

through it's support systems

FALSE.

At free fall speed.

FALSE.

There has not been a logical explanation for that.

YES. THERE WAS A LOGICAL EXPLANATION FOR THE COLLAPSE AND THE TRUE WAY IT HAPPENED, NOT YOUR FALSE ASSUMPTIONS.

Originally posted by rush969

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
It doesn't change the fact that the building

fell straight down

FALSE.

through it's support systems

FALSE.

At free fall speed.

FALSE.

There has not been a logical explanation for that.

YES. THERE WAS A LOGICAL EXPLANATION FOR THE COLLAPSE AND THE TRUE WAY IT HAPPENED, NOT YOUR FALSE ASSUMPTIONS.

Typing the word false over and over again didn't really convince anyone of anything at all and the quotes of experts. What does convice me of something is two seperate seismographs.

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."


why were there no seismic records from Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University that a demolition grade explosion prior to the debri from the collapsing building hitting the ground? Why do the seismic records indicate that there were not demolition grade explosions before, during, or after the collapse of wtc7?


Why do the Seismograms recorded by LCSN Station PAL indicate there was not a demolition grade explosion before during or after the collapse of ANY of the wtc towers?




www.popularmechanics.com...

www.mgs.md.gov...

Originally posted by iamcpc
I finished my own basement and worked with a professional to remove some concrete. It's not a quick process and was a small amount of concrete.

So why didn't you just set it on fire?

You all seem to believe fire can do something you all claim would take huge amounts of explosives to do.

What would normally take a huge team of demo experts, with huge amount of explosives placed in strategic points in the building, can be simply done with fire?

Why do you guys even think that is a logical argument?

(Obviously the demo teams there were not rigging any buildings on that day, it would have already been done, if they were there it was to supervise the collapses not set them up.)

Originally posted by iamcpc
Why do the Seismograms recorded by LCSN Station PAL indicate there was not a demolition grade explosion before during or after the collapse of ANY of the wtc towers?

What is a 'demo grade explosion'?

Does thermite explode? Do individual small demo explosives even show up on a seismograph?

You do know there is no one big 'demo grade explosion' in a building collapse? It's a series of small localized explosives, and once the collapse is initiated the sound of those small explosives would be lost in the sound of the collapse.


[edit on 5/7/2010 by ANOK]

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by iamcpc
I finished my own basement and worked with a professional to remove some concrete. It's not a quick process and was a small amount of concrete.

So why didn't you just set it on fire?

You all seem to believe fire can do something you all claim would take huge amounts of explosives to do.

What would normally take a huge team of demo experts, with huge amount of explosives placed in strategic points in the building, can be simply done with fire?

Why do you guys even think that is a logical argument?

(Obviously the demo teams there were not rigging any buildings on that day, it would have already been done, if they were there it was to supervise the collapses not set them up.)

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by iamcpc
I finished my own basement and worked with a professional to remove some concrete. It's not a quick process and was a small amount of concrete.

1. So why didn't you just set it on fire?

2.What would normally take a huge team of demo experts, with huge amount of explosives placed in strategic points in the building, can be simply done with fire?

3. Why do you guys even think that is a logical argument?

1. I didn't set it on fire because I don't want to set my own house on fire.

2. Fire is more destructive than people are. This has been evident for thousands of years. Since you have not done your research i'll give you specific examples that you can look up. Specific examples of "what would normally take a huge team of demo experts, with huge amount of explosives placed in strategic points in the building being simply done with fire" Feel free to look these up yourself.

example 1:

the kader toy factory fire. A steel framed building which collapsed only from fire.

Building One collapsed completely at approximately

5:14 p.m. Fanned by strong winds blowing toward

the north, the blaze spread quickly into Buildings

Two and Three before the fire brigade could

effectively defend them. Building Two reportedly

collapsed at 5:30 p.m. and Building Three at 6:05

p.m.


Example 2:


On the morning of January 28, 1997, in the Lancaster County, Pennsylvania township of Strasburg, a fire caused the collapse of the state-of-the-art, seven year old Sight and Sound Theater and resulted in structural damage to most of the connecting buildings. The theater was a total loss, valued at over $15 million.


example 3:

The Wolftrap Farm Theater and Pavilion fire in Fairfax County Virginia in 1988 suffered a total loss in the stage, props, dressing rooms and storage area. The pre-construction recommendation for a fire sprinkler system had not been heeded. When the facility was rebuilt, it was totally sprinkled

example 4:

The McCormick Place exhibition hall fire in Chicago, Illinois in 1967 was a public assembly occupancy built with fire protected steel construction and no sprinkler system. “Fortunately the fire started in the early morning hours; the possibility of life loss would have been staggering had the fire occurred during the day”.1 This fast burning, high rate of heat production fire caused complete collapse of the building.


example 5:


Kyriakos Papaioannoa, 1986.4 These fires began at 3 a.m. on Dec. 19, 1980, with arson being suspected as the cause. The Katrantzos Sport Department Store was an 8-story reinforced concrete building. Its fire started at the 7th floor and rapidly spread throughout the building, due to lack of vertical or horizontal compartmentation and the absence of sprinklers. Collected evidence indicated that the fire temperatures reached 1000°C over the 2- to 3-hour fire duration, and the firefighters concentrated on containing the fire spread to the adjacent buildings. Upon termination of these fires, it was discovered that a major part of the 5th to 8th floors had collapsed. Various


3. I believe this is a logical argument because i've given specific examples of fire can doing something it would take huge amounts of explosives to do.

Now I have questions for you.

1. Why did the seismographs in the are show that there were no explosions before, during, or after the collapse of any of the WTC towers?

2. How did a crew of demolition experts pull off one of, if not the, LARGEST demolition projects in the history of the human race and do this all without anyone knowing?

3. How was fire able to demolish dozens of buildings but not able to demolish other buildings?



[edit on 7-5-2010 by iamcpc]

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by iamcpc
Why do the Seismograms recorded by LCSN Station PAL indicate there was not a demolition grade explosion before during or after the collapse of ANY of the wtc towers?

1.What is a 'demo grade explosion'?

2.Does thermite explode?

3. Do individual small demo explosives even show up on a seismograph?

4. You do know there is no one big 'demo grade explosion' in a building collapse?

[edit on 5/7/2010 by ANOK]

1. demolition grade explosion is an explosion that is strong enough to destroy stupporting steel load bearing beams in any of the WTC towers.

2. No.

3. Demoltion explosions required to destroy load bearing steel beams necessary to demolish the WTC buildings with explosives do.

SOURCE:
Won-Young Kim, senior research scientist
Arthur Lerner-Lam, associate director
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University

"There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam

www.popularmechanics.com...

4. yes

Now I have a question for you.

Doesn't the expert testimony of Won-Young Kim, senior research scientist
and Arthur Lerner-Lam, associate director Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University mean anything?

Why do so many people say that explosions brought down the WTC towers when "There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers"?

reply to post by gavron


I've not put forth any evidence in attempts to prove that a "secret demo" team rigged the buildings.

Your post is not relevant.

reply to post by REMISNE


What demo crews? Please post this again if you can. I apologize for missing it.

reply to post by rush969


This post should be deleted. It is totally superfluous.

Actually, I would suggest the author of this post delete it himself, to avoid any further embarrassment.




...excuse me.

reply to post by iamcpc


The Kader Toy factory is not a high rise. The tallest building is four stories.

More to come on your post.

reply to post by iamcpc


If you dont mind, I would like to add a little more information to the McCormick Place fire!

But in the early hours of January 16, 1967, a tragic fire occurred. According to an NFPA Journal® report on the fire, "Within 30 to 45 minutes after the first alarm, the roof trusses started to buckle at the center, pulling the roof loose from the columns at the walls. The interior columns canted and the major portion of the roof collapsed. The fire in the upper level subsided only when the fuel was consumed.”

nfpa.typepad.com...

Let us see how large the roof trusses were:








These were not the small, light steel trusses as seen in the floors of the WTCs. These were very large steel trusses, that failed, from fire, alone, within an hour or so of the start of the fire.

Oh and what else? Because it was all steel, it was claimed to be fireproof!


And lookie lookie, the large steel trusses fell, from fire alone, within an hour of the fire's start. No planes, no bombs, no magic thermites or pixy dust!

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
I've not put forth any evidence in attempts to prove that a "secret demo" team rigged the buildings.

Your post is not relevant.

SO, you say the buildings were demo'd, but cannot put forth any evidence that they were demo'd (ie any crew member statements, witnesses, etc)?

Originally posted by REMISNE
Funny how you skipped or ignored my stating that fact that i have been posting for years about no steel skyscrapers in the US have collapsed from fire.

I linked your very post in this thread....

Perhaps you should read your posts.