PROOF that Building 7 was demolished with explosives!!!

reply to post by bsbray11

The issue is that the red chips contain mainly iron oxides and aluminum, likely in the form of aluminosilicates. There is only the fervent hope that there is an "energetic binder." When we consider the explosives Jones uses in figure 30, they can't be the energetic binders because any combination of thermite and the binder still has less energy than the red chips.
What is needed? You are correct. More investigation....in the form of the DSC under inert gas to begin with. I'm glad that you agree. Now we just need Jones to do what he promised last year.



[edit on 3/30/2010 by pteridine]

Originally posted by bsbray11
What this actually suggests is that the grade of thermite being analyzed is simply more energetic than any other brand the public is aware of.

I love it when a truther does the whole appeal-to-secret-stuff-to-explain-away-the-cognitive-dissonance thing.

A true sign that BS knows he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by Joey Canoli
I love it when a truther does the whole appeal-to-secret-stuff-to-explain-away-the-cognitive-dissonance thing.

Kind of like when you claim this stuff is paint chips but can't say what kind of paint has this chemical signature? Must be some kind of super secret explosive paint that the paint companies like selling I guess?

You're appealing to some unknown form of paint, but ya know, speaking of cognitive dissonance, you conveniently forgot that.

The fact remains this stuff has not been positively identified no matter what it is, even though it reacts with more energy than conventional thermite AND produces iron-rich spheroids that show the iron itself is involved in the reaction and it is not just combustion. So pot meets kettle here "Joey," except the evidence is still not stacked in your favor.

[edit on 30-3-2010 by bsbray11]

Originally posted by bsbray11

The fact remains this stuff has not been positively identified

DING!!!!

We have a winner. Jones has no clue what he's got. Neither do you or I.

Do you find it sad that you read so many threads around here claiming "absolute proof of thermxte" when you have stated that there's no positive id?

My guess is prolly not. My guess is that you view this through a conspiracy colored lens.

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
We have a winner. Jones has no clue what he's got. Neither do you or I.

Right, but if it reacts like a kind of thermite, and the DoD has been investigating thermite for military purposes, and the DoD has a habit of not releasing its technology to the general public... I don't understand what about that makes you so eager to mock and insult me. You trust the military to be 100% open and honest with you about everything. I get that. But I don't get why you enjoy that perspective so much or think it's so absolute and inarguable, as to insult me for not completely trusting them and for that reason having a different perspective on where our investigation needs to focus. There is nothing to lose. Organizations just need to raise money and organize an independent panel of various investigators.

Do you find it sad that you read so many threads around here claiming "absolute proof of thermxte" when you have stated that there's no positive id?

Yes but there are many worse things I see here that make me much sadder.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
We have a winner. Jones has no clue what he's got. Neither do you or I.

Right, but if it reacts like a kind of thermite, and the DoD has been investigating thermite for military purposes, and the DoD has a habit of not releasing its technology to the general public... I don't understand what about that makes you so eager to mock and insult me.

It's cuz I hope that an obviously intelligent kid such as you will re-examine your also obvious paranoia where it concerns anything gubmint. "They" are not out to get us, in any way, shape, or form. True that "they" don't have our best interests at heart. But it's quite the leap to go from they have no real interest in our well being to saying that they conspired to kill us in order to go to Afghanistan and Iraq. A logical person would realize that they took advantage of the situation, and that there was no need to manfacture the situation in that way.

But whatever floats your boat.

Yes but there are many worse things I see here that make me much sadder.

Right. Just like it makes me sad when I see someone rely on an appeal to secret stuff to continue down the path you're taking.

It really is sad to see a mind being wasted like that.....

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
It's cuz I hope that an obviously intelligent kid such as you will re-examine your also obvious paranoia where it concerns anything gubmint. "They" are not out to get us, in any way, shape, or form. True that "they" don't have our best interests at heart.

First, if you hope to convey something to me, insulting me is not going to get you anywhere anyway. It just further divides us. Then you say I'm too paranoid but you already know "they" don't have our best interests at heart. Think about what that means, "they don't have our best interests at heart."
Then what interests DO they have at heart, and why should I not be suspicious of them, especially when they fight investigating the "wrong" things tooth and nail?

Right. Just like it makes me sad when I see someone rely on an appeal to secret stuff to continue down the path you're taking.

Then does it pain you every time you realize you appeal to some unknown form of paint that can melt iron? No, because you show an obvious double-standard.

You put on like "unknown" or "secret" (ie classified) = impossible, yet you simultaneously believe some "unknown" or "secret" paint is what they're looking at. When someone holds one standard for others, and a different standard for themselves, that's generally called hypocrisy or a double-standard. Is there some reason you believe your own opinion on this matter is more than speculation?

Originally posted by bsbray11

First, if you hope to convey something to me, insulting me is not going to get you anywhere anyway.

I don't expect to change your mind. Experience in these matters tell me that "we" are too polarized on the issue.

Then does it pain you every time you realize you appeal to some unknown form of paint that can melt iron?

I've not said that, IIRC. And it's not up to me to say what he has anyways. Jones needs to prove h's got thermxte. He himself admits that "some" of the heat comes from combustion. To determine just how much, he has other tests he should do.

Don't you agree that this series of tests could indeed provide that "final nail in the coffin" that truthers are so desperate for?

Why do you, personally, think he hasn't done this?

No offence but if you thank that 911 was caused by the government then you are the stupidest person on earth, do you really think that the president would kill a thousand something people just to go to war?

Originally posted by benk84
No offence but if you thank that 911 was caused by the government then you are the stupidest person on earth, do you really think that the president would kill a thousand something people just to go to war?

Sorry but its been done before.

The government has done things like this throughout history to go to war.

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Do you have evidence of the US Government actively killing its own citizens as an excuse to go to war?

reply to post by Joey Canoli


No, it has been positively identified. It's thermite.

I'm not sure how this thread is still going.

reply to post by pteridine


Here's a few:

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Were you being serious?

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

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reply to post by THE AQUARIAN 1


Yes, I was being serious. I wrote "Do you have evidence of the US Government actively killing its own citizens as an excuse to go to war?"

Actively means that they were doing it. It does not mean inaction, incompetence, or allowing it to happen. Evidence means more than the postulates of others.

Did a US sub sink the Lusitania? Did US warplanes attack the Liberty?

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
reply to post by Joey Canoli

 

No, it has been positively identified. It's thermite.

I'm not sure how this thread is still going.

The only thing that has been identified is that Jones is not competent to conduct a scentific investigation. Thermite has not been identified.
The existence of thermite is a groundless conclusion by easily-led conspiracy buffs who wish to believe it. Will Jones ever do the necessary work to back up his claims? Has he done it already and found it wanting?
HenryCo can't get the chips to react. If it was paint-on thermite it would be unable to do anything of consequence. It won't stay lit when it is ignited with an oxy torch. Can anyone explain why it won't sustain reaction on ignition?

This thread is still going because so far there is no "PROOF" as stated in the title.

Originally posted by pteridine
Do you have evidence of the US Government actively killing its own citizens as an excuse to go to war?

Here is just a few false flags or incidents that were let happen for you to look up and see for yourself.

1. Golf of Tonken incident

2. Uss Liberty

3. Pearl Harbor

4. 9/11



[edit on 1-4-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
He himself admits that "some" of the heat comes from combustion. To determine just how much, he has other tests he should do.

Don't you agree that this series of tests could indeed provide that "final nail in the coffin" that truthers are so desperate for?

Why do you, personally, think he hasn't done this?

Calling all truthers!

Does anyone care to addres this?

Or do all of you prefer to let this obvious fatal flaw lie undisturbed?

Very telling.....

reply to post by REMISNE


Did you not read the post or are you purposely obfuscating? Purportedly having knowledge of an upcoming event and, through malfeasance, incompetence, or plot, letting the event unfold is different from actively killing US citizens.
The USS Liberty is not an example of either and is criminal in itself for lack of response. This was supposedly part of some half-baked plan by the Israeli Defense Minister who forgot who his friends were. A carrier air wing would have had no problem dealing with a few attacking aircraft but was called off by orders from the Whitehouse. The story should have been that Syrian aircraft disgused as Israelis were shot down attacking a US vessel in international waters and Egyptian patrol boats disguised as Israelis were sunk while attacking that same vessel. Of course, the Israelis would have been told of Arab treachery and assured taht any more disguised warplanes or patrol boats approaching the vessel would be attacked as soon as they crossed into international waters.
There is no evdence for demolition of WTC7.