PROOF that Building 7 was demolished with explosives!!!

reply to post by iamcpc


Your spelling of physics makes it abundantly clear that you do not have a PHD in anything.

Thanks so much.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

reply to post by Alfie1


Here are three of the five Israelis admitting they were there to "document the event." How would they know to document 9/11?

www.youtube.com...

Please watch and look through my posts before responding, otherwise you're just wasting my time.

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
reply to post by iamcpc

 

Your spelling of physics makes it abundantly clear that you do not have a PHD in anything.

Thanks so much.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

I never claimed that I have a phd in anything.

reply to post by iamcpc


Just yanking your chain iampee.

reply to post by iamcpc


I have never claimed to be an expert..other than building the buildings...not destroying them.

HOWEVER.....between the beginning and the 99.9 % part I eluded to the fact that I have first hand experience seeing structures fail...How about You??????

That does not make me an expert...but does give me fist hand knowledge of REAL WORLD events and structures relating to this post.

I did not get my sources from youtube or news media or video clips. My sources came from my own eyes and thought process when I come on to a jobsite and half the building 's roof has fallen in due to fire.

IDO NOT say the building was demolished because it "Looks like it was demolished"....

I merely stated from my experience and first hand knowledge that buildings do not fall like that from just fire alone.

No I have'nt seen 110+ skyscraper get pegged by a jumbo jet...

But I have seen building aspects fail due to one problem or the other...i.e--Fire,wind,structural inadequacies.

I have seen atleast 15 different buildings roof fall in, walls fall over, floors fall through...ALL DUE TO FIRE.

To recap-From my own personal experience and first hand accounts..
Buildings do not fall like that due to just fire alone.
Especially 3 of them..well..1 and 2 of em fire and a Jumbo jet

[edit on 17-5-2010 by Software_Pyrate]

Originally posted by Software_Pyrate
reply to post by iamcpc

 

I have never claimed to be an expert..other than building the buildings...not destroying them.

HOWEVER.....between the beginning and the 99.9 % part I eluded to the fact that I have first hand experience seeing structures fail...How about You??????

That does not make me an expert...but does give me fist hand knowledge of REAL WORLD events and structures relating to this post.

I did not get my sources from youtube or news media or video clips. My sources came from my own eyes and thought process when I come on to a jobsite and half the building 's roof has fallen in due to fire.

IDO NOT say the building was demolished because it "Looks like it was demolished"....

I merely stated from my experience and first hand knowledge that buildings do not fall like that from just fire alone.

No I have'nt seen 110+ skyscraper get pegged by a jumbo jet...

But I have seen building aspects fail due to one problem or the other...i.e--Fire,wind,structural inadequacies.

I have seen atleast 15 different buildings roof fall in, walls fall over, floors fall through...ALL DUE TO FIRE.

To recap-From my own personal experience and first hand accounts..
Buildings do not fall like that due to just fire alone.
Especially 3 of them..

I agree with your viewpoint and your hypothesis. All that's left is the research and testing.

I don't feel like anyone can dispute that the collapses look very similar to demolitions. Except for the widely accepted theory that the WTC 1 and 2 were hit by airplanes and set on fire before they collapsed.

I have see a few demolitions (3-4). None done with explosives. I can only go to the experts. If you want me to cite sources I will but there are demolition experts who think, much like you and me, that the collapses looked very similar to demolitions. There are also experts who say that the collapses do not look like demolitions.

Unfortunately knowing the building collapses resemble demolitions does not even come close to answering the question:

Did the WTC towers 1, 2, and 7 collapse from structure damage and fire or did they collapse as a result of some method of controlled demolition?

Originally posted by Software_Pyrate
Everybody in this thread has more knowledge about these events then I do

Obviously.

Now, once you admit that you have zero reason to think that your opinion about the collapse means absolutely nothing, then you can move on to remedy that situation.

Originally posted by iamcpc



I don't feel like anyone can dispute that the collapses look very similar to demolitions. Except for the widely accepted theory that the WTC 1 and 2 were hit by airplanes and set on fire before they collapsed.

I have see a few demolitions (3-4). None done with explosives. I can only go to the experts. If you want me to cite sources I will but there are demolition experts who think, much like you and me, that the collapses looked very similar to demolitions. There are also experts who say that the collapses do not look like demolitions.

Yes, please site the sources where demolition experts think WTC 1 & 2 look like a controlled demolition.

Thank you.

reply to post by iamcpc


"Did the WTC towers 1, 2, and 7 collapse from structure damage and fire or did they collapse as a result of some method of controlled demolition? "


Well...I really wish I knew the answer to that, and like you said...research and testing is the only way.

All i can say is I have personal accounts and first hand testimony of "How buildings fall" (4-10 stories) especially when it comes to fire. Outside of that, I can not offer much else.

The problem is..I don't think either side will or can EVER prove or disprove much of anything. And that is why there is so much to debate.

Recap...

Seen alot of buildings fail due to fire and seen alot fall due to implosion.
And acknowledging that there are a whole crap load more variables in this equation then most; my experience and gut both tell me we are not being told the whole truth.

Originally posted by Software_Pyrate
reply to post by iamcpc

 

my experience and gut both tell me we are not being told the whole truth.

Alas if we were being lied to there is no way we could prove it.

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
reply to post by Alfie1

 

Here are three of the five Israelis admitting they were there to "document the event." How would they know to document 9/11?

www.youtube.com...

Please watch and look through my posts before responding, otherwise you're just wasting my time.

Anyone who was there with a camera was " documenting the event ". What has that got to do with your allegations about being Mossad agents with a van full of explosives and in possession of fake arab passports ?

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
reply to post by Alfie1

 

Anyone who was there with a camera was " documenting the event ".

There were a lot of people documenting the event.

reply to post by Alfie1


You show me that you've looked through my posts and we can discuss it.

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
reply to post by Alfie1

 

Here are three of the five Israelis admitting they were there to "document the event." How would they know to document 9/11?

www.youtube.com...

Please watch and look through my posts before responding, otherwise you're just wasting my time.

I've seen that video lots of times. Oddly enough they're talking in Hebrew, and I don't exactly trust someone from the Truth Movement to translate it exactly right.

Furthermore it ends rather abruptly. Almost as if the subsequent information might have called into question the notion of them being spies.

reply to post by TrickoftheShade


I posted far more information than that. If you're not going to read through the posts that you respond to than don't post here.

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1

I posted far more information than that. If you're not going to read through the posts that you respond to than don't post here.

That was the entirety of your post! Still, good attempt at avoiding what I said. I suppose I have to make it clear that I'm not under any obligation to respond to every one of your points. Especially when they're spread among multiple posts. For now my argument stands - that video is lousy evidence.

The major flaw in the governments story is that this building fell due to fire. Well it would be impossible for this building to have fallen due to fire for many reasons.

They claim there were a few small fires, those fires must have been very small and due to a few flames making there way to that building. There wasn't any visible smoke coming from building 7.

If a fire takes down a building you better believe that there will be smoke pouring out from ever side of that building. Even then when fires take down buildings they don't cause the buildings to just evenly fall down like a clean cut line of domino's.

It would have been impossible for fire to take down this building, Larry Silverstein even admitted to "pulling" building 7.

Originally posted by truthseeker911
The major flaw in the governments story is that this building fell due to fire. Well it would be impossible for this building to have fallen due to fire for many reasons.

They claim there were a few small fires, those fires must have been very small and due to a few flames making there way to that building. There wasn't any visible smoke coming from building 7.

If a fire takes down a building you better believe that there will be smoke pouring out from ever side of that building. Even then when fires take down buildings they don't cause the buildings to just evenly fall down like a clean cut line of domino's.

It would have been impossible for fire to take down this building, Larry Silverstein even admitted to "pulling" building 7.

No " visible smoke coming from building 7 " Are you serious ? !

Have you looked at any video of WTC 7 ?

www.youtube.com...

Why do you think the firefighters were pulled out ?

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1

I posted far more information than that. If you're not going to read through the posts that you respond to than don't post here.

That was the entirety of your post! Still, good attempt at avoiding what I said. I suppose I have to make it clear that I'm not under any obligation to respond to every one of your points. Especially when they're spread among multiple posts. For now my argument stands - that video is lousy evidence.

I suppose you and Alfie1 are not the same person. I assumed you were reading posts having to do with the subject matter you are currently discussing. I shouldn't have given you so much credit. You're not under any obligation to do anything but I am not going to continuously repeat myself simply because you can't read.

Originally posted by THE AQUARIAN 1
reply to post by Alfie1

 

Are you being serious? Type dancing israelis into google.

whatreallyhappened.com...
whatreallyhappened.com...
abcnews.go.com...
www.fpp.co.uk...
whatreallyhappened.com...

Like I said about Flight 93, I don't know.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by THE AQUARIAN 1]

Since I'm sure I will receive another retarded response:

Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

‘We Are Not Your Problem’

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.

The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.

The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.

‘A Scary Situation’

Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."

But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.

Plenty of Speculation

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives..

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

Israeli Intelligence Connection?

According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area."

Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer.