Everyones chance to get proof!

Quite and interesting video of Aaron McCollum. I am a believer and a non believer. Good points about the Black Ops of the underwear bomber and the shooting at Fort Hood and also many nations with warships in the Gulf of Aden, is this all cover up for the 'Stargate', the use of piracy in the area, countries protecting their imports and exports. Very interesting but dont know what to make of it. Pay for a ticket and ill go .. but somehow i think the area is very hostile and as someone else posted, the area isnt really a favourite place for a Westerner.

One thing bugs me about Aaron McCollum .. claimed his age was 31 (i think) said he was in military for 10 years so lets say he joined at 21. Also says he was from a 3rd generation of Project Talent. So at a young age he has already been exposed to all this secret testing etc. Im not being funny but isnt that a little young to be trusting with such information and has he says himself is was leading a group of people involving black ops and other operations. Also he says at some points he would go to an operation with no identity and wasnt even allowed to wear a watch, yet in the interview exposing parts of his body are covered in tattoos. He may have had these done after leaving the coast guard which is a fair point.

Good link though well worth a listen

Originally posted by scribe94
There is always a smoke screen implemented for any area of high interest by the elite. In this particular case their "secret" is totally exposed since the alleged stargate is on the surface of the ocean.

Perhaps you should have said it it this way...

In this particular case their alleged "secret" is allegedly totally exposed since the alleged stargate is allegedly on the surface of the ocean.

The way you wrote this, it sounds as if you are already convinced that something secret is going on in that part of the world. I have seen no evidence that all of these alleged naval vessels are actually there as described by the OP video. There could be absolutely nothing going on in that part of the ocean. All we have is Aaron McCollum's word on it.

I have seen no evidence that all of these alleged naval vessels are actually there as described by the OP video.

Can you show us some of the research you have done?
That's the whole point of this thread. If you can disprove
this guys claims then great. Just seeking the truth like
everyone else.

[edit on 11-2-2010 by scribe94]

I was Google-earthing around the Gulf of Aden and found this. Is this the Stargate they speak of?

Coords: 12°37'43.98"N, 53° 9'58.32"E

Google maps link

Originally posted by scribe94

I have seen no evidence that all of these alleged naval vessels are actually there as described by the OP video.

Can you show us some of the research you have done?
That's the whole point of this thread. If you can disprove
this guys claims then great. Just seeking the truth like
everyone else.

[edit on 11-2-2010 by scribe94]

No -- It doesn't work that way. You can't say that "I" need evidence to prove that there are NOT a bunch of ships in the Gulf of Aden looking at a stargate. It's the other way around.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Me claiming that perhaps "nothing" is happening is not an extraordinary claim. Aaron McCollum's claim of a stargate in the sea IS an extraordinary claim. Where is his evidence? The fact that there are ships in the Suez canal is not evidence. There are always ships in the Suez Canal.

Just because we can't prove that there are NO ships investigating a stargate does not add any validity to the original claim.

That would be like me claiming that Elvis Presley delivered my paper this morning, then when someone asked me for proof, I simply reply "Prove that he didn't -- and until you can prove that he didn't, my claim is valid."

In the example above, it's NOT true that my claim is valid only because someone "can't prove that I didn't see Elvis". I can't argue that "it could be true solely because I said so". It doesn't matter if "I say so"; Without any factual basis or evidence, my claim is NOT valid.

People can make extraordinary claims all the time (whether they be due to actual lies or mistaken thinking). Before we spend the energy to blindly go on a wild goose chase trying to find "any" evidence of Aaron McCollum's claim, perhaps he should offer up at least a little evidence.

This type of argument -- The "Every claim is equally valid until you prove them wrong" argument -- reminds me of the famous Carl Sagan Essay "The Dragon in My Garage":
The Dragon in My Garage

...and by the way, how is this "Everyone's chance to get proof!" as stated in the thread title. What if we went there and found nothing? Would that be proof that stargates don't exist, even the alleged Gulf of Aden one described in the video? No -- of course not. If I went there, saw nothing, then told Aaron McCollum that I saw nothing, then (according to you) he could simply say, "they must have already moved it -- give me evidence that that they didn't".

Trying to fight the "prove that they didn't" or the "prove that it's NOT happening" argument is a no-win situation.



[edit on 2/11/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

[edit on 2/12/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

reply to post by Shadoefax


its a nice try but if that were it then there are 2 stargates.
zoom out of that and look a little to the left and down you will see what I mean.

Plus have you noticed that google does not put up pictures of the sea, they crop it out around land masses

reply to post by Shadoefax


I tried those cords but the sat zoom has been restricted in that area, however i see a HUGE dark blue circle form.
Google maps link: tiny.cc... and max zoom tiny.cc...


[edit on 12-2-2010 by rhines]

reply to post by rhines


If its the object under the green arrow that you are reffering to, I suggest you pan left or zoom out and look left of the object you are reffering to .
There is another dark blue area. Im sorry but my guess is its part of the oceanic topography of the area.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Yes you are probably right and besides the location is way off east of Aden.
/Regards

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


Star from me for a sober well thought out post.
Its funny how those can get ignored here.

I have the opinion that if this one individual has made these claims then I would really like to have evidence to prove this person is a credible person at the very least.
I saw that video and all I saw was a story that can be cross referenced I am assuming.He did give out a few names and places.
If we want proof then why not the OP make a thread investigating the source instead of blindly believing it?

Thanks for being level headed.

Did I say I blindly believed the guy in the video. I'm simply saying there SEEMS to be enough information to do some additional research and maybe getting someone who is already close to that location to take a peek.

It's people who want the proof to be thrown on their lap who are the ones who will never do anything since they expect everyone else to do it for them. If its all a big fat deceiving lie then fine. We move on until we do find a credible source. Its called investigating.

To unravel a conspiracy of this magnitude requires sifting through alot of misinformation mixed with truth. It is up to us to separate fantasy from reality.

reply to post by scribe94

That's fine...

...but I hope you would agree also that the LACK of skeptical evidence showing that there is NOT a naval build-up in the Gulf of Aden does NOT lend anymore credence to this story (please excuse the double and triple negatives )

All I'm trying to point out (perhaps not to you, but to others) is that just because a person who is skeptical of this story doesn't have the resources to prove that the navies of the world have NOT all sent ships to this region does not make the story any more believable.

Too many have fallen into that trap before on this board.

For example, I have no evidence proving that the armies of the world are NOT operating a stargate in a tunnel under my back yard, either, but that doesn't lend additional credence to the idea that they are.

If I made a video saying that there is a stargate in a tunnel in my back yard, and offered up no more evidence other than "my word", would you feel compelled to investigate? And if not, then why not?



[edit on 2/12/2010 by Soylent Green Is People]

to bad "bumping" doesnt seem to be effective on ATS, but Ill try it nonetheless.


Any news regarding this - or can it safely be considered hogwash


thank you